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Sorry, but I'm not surprised. This is what happens when an artist is in decline. They start to lose their abilities, so they panic and fire the people around them that have the guts to tell the truth and tell them that the music they're making sucks. It's a product of insecurity. Dre is growing paranoid as he loses his artistic mettle. Typically, the way to counteract this is to surround yourself with people who only tell you that your music is still awesome. It makes you feel better about yourself, but it only leads you further down the rabbit hole.
You expect me to download an album that isn't real? Sorry, but I can't sign this.
Quote from: dubsmith_nz on January 28, 2011, 08:28:03 PMQuote from: Shit Lord: Victorious - DBA on January 28, 2011, 08:08:21 PM19. Housewife (featuring Kurupt & Hittman)Written By The D.O.C., Kurupt & HittmanBass: Mike ElizondoGuitar: Sean CruseKeyboards: Camara Kambon5. Big Egos (featuring Hittman)Written By The D.O.C. & HittmanKeyboards: Scott StorchProps all my cds are in storage so couldn't check the booklet.Also, he wasn't around during 50 Cent's reign. The whole Deuce situation, you know. Lol.
Quote from: Shit Lord: Victorious - DBA on January 28, 2011, 08:08:21 PM19. Housewife (featuring Kurupt & Hittman)Written By The D.O.C., Kurupt & HittmanBass: Mike ElizondoGuitar: Sean CruseKeyboards: Camara Kambon5. Big Egos (featuring Hittman)Written By The D.O.C. & HittmanKeyboards: Scott StorchProps all my cds are in storage so couldn't check the booklet.
19. Housewife (featuring Kurupt & Hittman)Written By The D.O.C., Kurupt & HittmanBass: Mike ElizondoGuitar: Sean CruseKeyboards: Camara Kambon5. Big Egos (featuring Hittman)Written By The D.O.C. & HittmanKeyboards: Scott Storch
I'm a just say Dr.Dre is going to do what he wants even if that includes him being incredibly insecure as proven by Eminem on I Need A Doctor and D.O.C's interview.Shit happens. Reality check for everyone involved.I'm sure Detox will be dope or at least have amazing tracks even if the adult perspective isn't there
Quote from: Action! on January 28, 2011, 08:59:50 PMI'm a just say Dr.Dre is going to do what he wants even if that includes him being incredibly insecure as proven by Eminem on I Need A Doctor and D.O.C's interview.Shit happens. Reality check for everyone involved.I'm sure Detox will be dope or at least have amazing tracks even if the adult perspective isn't thereI think it is wait and see. I'm hoping that I need a Doctor becomes a #1 hit, so Dre will put out the album. From all of the reports Dre's problem hasn't been recording songs, it has been coming up with the single. If INAD catches on hopefully he can release the album without putting any more pop-ish songs on the album.
The sad thing is, it'll be pretty easy for him to make something reasonably incredible, using his old formula -Find some dope samples to loop up, or get some co-producers to bring them to you, sometimes mix a couple of samples from different tracksGet your session musicians to replay themGet DOC, Eminem, Snoop, or any number of the best lyricists ever to write dope-ass verses and find a cool hookMake a whole bunch and pick the best 12, or however manyThen mix that shit up to perfection in the way only Dre can mix stuffBoom, done - his formula for one of the best rap producers ever was pretty straightforward, thats how the majority of his best tracks were made...Sure, it wouldn't probably be some next level shit, like never-before-heard stuff, but it would be very dope hip-hop like he always didNow he doesn't seem to be making hip-hop, but he's not really sure what he's making, just kinda club/pop stuff, and his non-sampling stuff is the same piano keys over and over, with no life in the drums either
I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Quote from: thegooddoc on January 28, 2011, 07:33:29 PMI think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings. Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
I have huge respect for D.O.C. (also even more respect after him saying he's in it for the art, not the money and what not). obviously there's always more than one side to a story, but like someone said earlier, seems like there's a lot of truth in this. anyway, the way i see it is it's a damn shame the way he's been treated over the years.on the Jay-Z thing, would be so cool if Jay helped D.O.C. become a star (again), where'd he'd get the props he deserves
very interesting interview. but we only get to hear one side of the story. now you can tell that DOC is at least partially right cause Sam Sneed said similar things. The thing is The D.o.C. seems far more negative than Sneed. I smell bitterness. Can't blame him though, I would be fucking bitter too in his position. But he just didn't diss Dre overtly cause I'm sure he expects Dre to holler back at him in the future and to understand his point. Look at Daz, once he dissed Dre publicly he was never seen around him again (he wasnt even part of the up in smoke tour), and he did try to reach out to him by shouting him out in interviews and stuff but it never happened.The D.o.C. is no doubt a rap legend, but I doubt he was true about everything in this interview. I remember Jerry Heller's autobiography. he was basically saying that doc was the most impressive rap artist he had ever met, that he could have blown the industry big time and that he even could have had restored his voice had he not missed the appointments Jerry had set up for him. But he also wrote about how the D.O.C. was a fucked up dude. Nowthat's Jerry's opinion and side of the story but I do believe that doc's not the stand up guy he wants people to believe he is...one thing's for sure. this guy is a visionary. he was behind some of the biggest rap albums in history. so he knows what he is doing. so as everyone said, if he aint fucking with this album, it's for a reason. i totally lost faith in detox after Kush came out IMO. and i agree 100% with the d.o.c. with grown ups acting like they're still in their mid-20's.
Dubcnn: After 2001, you hit us up with “Deuce”. Did you accomplish what you wanted to accomplish with that release? Do you feel good about that record?You know what? I really felt good at the time, but “Deuce” was the result of an argument between me and Dre. That record was actually supposed to be an album on a guy called Six-Two, who was in my camp. But as we started building the album, it was coming through Aftermath, me and Dre got into an argument. So I just took my shit and left. Dubcnn: Similar to what it was with the Helter Skelter project?Well yeah. I told you we fuss, we fight; we’re brothers. But the Helter Skelter record was really Dre’s record, I just took it *laughs*.Dubcnn: Just took it and ran with it!Just took it and ran with it ‘cause I’m the only nigga that could do that! I relish my position as the man, next to the man goddamn it!
I agree with what was said above. and we also need to remember that this isn't the first time D.O.C just packs his shit and leaves... and then comes back.QuoteDubcnn: After 2001, you hit us up with “Deuce”. Did you accomplish what you wanted to accomplish with that release? Do you feel good about that record?You know what? I really felt good at the time, but “Deuce” was the result of an argument between me and Dre. That record was actually supposed to be an album on a guy called Six-Two, who was in my camp. But as we started building the album, it was coming through Aftermath, me and Dre got into an argument. So I just took my shit and left. Dubcnn: Similar to what it was with the Helter Skelter project?Well yeah. I told you we fuss, we fight; we’re brothers. But the Helter Skelter record was really Dre’s record, I just took it *laughs*.Dubcnn: Just took it and ran with it!Just took it and ran with it ‘cause I’m the only nigga that could do that! I relish my position as the man, next to the man goddamn it!Source : http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/thedoc08-part1/I'm not siding with D.O.C or Dre, they probably both have their valid reasons, but D.O.C seems to go through these phases were he see's how damn powerful Dre is in the rap industry and feels bitter about it and wishes he could get some of that spotlight.
Quote from: Detox Is A Myth!!! on January 28, 2011, 04:45:18 PMSorry, but I'm not surprised. This is what happens when an artist is in decline. They start to lose their abilities, so they panic and fire the people around them that have the guts to tell the truth and tell them that the music they're making sucks. It's a product of insecurity. Dre is growing paranoid as he loses his artistic mettle. Typically, the way to counteract this is to surround yourself with people who only tell you that your music is still awesome. It makes you feel better about yourself, but it only leads you further down the rabbit hole.I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.