Dr. Dre production questions?

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

of course it does. read the article..
Quote:
The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project

why taking those songs in context, in an article about Daz recevin a publishing-check for his work on "Doggystyle"?
money was for those songs, what else did he get paid for 18 yrs later?

Because its something the article writer is saying in his own words. He obviously didn't ask daz about what songs he's getting paid for, otherwise it would have been a quote from daz. Its an assumption on the part of whoever wrote the article.

no, its not an assumption.
what r u tryin to say, that the writer wrote that Daz thumped his chest assuminly for his work on those 2 random songs (took out of context)?
lol
cause if you're writin for XXL and Vibe-magaizne or any other publication, quote-on-quote is liable by law..
or else, that wouldnt been published withou proper confidence about the credit for those song.

thats like Rollling Stone Magazine writin an article about Kurt Cobain, and sayin (just by assumption), that he wrote some Courtney Love records..

I don't get what you mean. From reading that article all I can get is that daz said he got paid off of Doggystyle and then thumped his chest. And later, while typing up the article, the writer referred to him as "the producer and co-writer of Serial Killa...etc". Think about it a little. Its not that hard to read articles, especially after getting to know people who write them for a living. If Daz had said he got paid for producing those songs during the interview then the quote from daz would have established that. The quote is what daz actually said, the rest of the article is what the writer filled in, based on their own beliefs.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

maybe u should work on ur reading-capabilites a little, dude

Quote:
The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project

if the info is incorrect, the writer cant assume and visualize his assumptions in media as "real". law says it cant..
u cant assume stuff as a writer, and showcase stuff/beliefs as mere facts.
thats why everybody is so scared of lawsuits..

an explanable comparison:
if XXL wouldve interviewed Dr. Dre, and if the writer didnt have the facts, u think he could assume in the published article as facts:
that Dr. Dre produced "Dogg Food"?

[Will_B]

Dre speaking in 94.

What goes in to being a producer of a hit album [sic] like Doggystyle?

"A lotta hard work ya know. Kickin' it in the studio. A lotta people in the studio...ya know what I'm sayin...everybody drops their 2cents in the bucket, you know...I can't do it by myself. And we come up with a masterpiece."

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Vs2M5TvoG_M" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Vs2M5TvoG_M</a>




Emmanuel Dean is on tape saying he never got credit for playing keys on Doggystyle but he also said he got paid $6,000 for his work. Some guys just got their fee for being involved. You think Ruben Cruz got millions for singing on Let Me Ride just because he got a credit? The answer is everyone did their bit. So many ideas coming out of the sessions that cats probably all think each idea was their own.

Dre made it all happen. It was a phenomenal success. Each artist put 100% into the record, and they all wanted succes for the project and themselves to be the next big thing after the record went out. Dre was to produce for each one of them in turn but then came all the bullshit and nonsense to do with label politics and money. Add that up. Those superstars never happened in the same way and now people hate on Dre like he took that from them!

[Dre-Day]

I believe Snoop confirmed Warren G did the beat for Ain't No Fun.

I read a Snoop interview where he said Warren G and Nate brought the hook to Dre and Dre did the rest.

in one of the dubcnn interviews with Warren G, he said that he didn't work on Doggystyle, but contributed to the Chronic

[bouli77]

Here is a quote from an infamous Snoop interview with dubcnn, that's coming from his mouth, and that's coming from someone who's dissing his own fam so it has to be true

"I seen him make tracks from scratch. My whole record the nigga made damn near everything from scratch. "Ain't No Fun", Daz and Warren G brought him the little *sings melody*, that's all they had! Dre took that muthafucka to the next level! Warren G brought in the Donny Hathaway, "Little Ghetto Boy, laying in the ghetto streets." Dre flipped it like "Hold on, gimme that!" Took that muthafucka and made it straight hit!

http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/snoopdogg06/part4/


Dubcnn: So you're saying it's wrong that Daz or Warren G would claim that they didn't get the credit they deserved on The Chronic or Doggystyle?

I'ma say it like this: they didn't deserve the credit back then because they didn't do the work. They made beats, Dre produced that record. Point blank, and I'd say it in they face. They made beats, cuzz produced the record. If you a real nigga in the rap game, you'll understand what I'm saying. I can make a beat, but I can't produce! I can make a beat, but can I tell a nigga what to rap about, can I tell him when to come with the hook? Can you break the beat down? That's what producing is."

So Daz & Warren at least contributed to Ain't No Fun on Doggystyle.Daz also claims to have made the beats for Serial Killa and For All My Niggaz And My Bitches, and it doesn't sound ludicrous.

I agree with Imsohappy...'s description of a producer but as he said that's not what most mean by producer in Hip Hop. A producer doesn't even have to be a beatmaker though, Elvis was producing most of his records at the end of his career, it meant that he'd have the music played exactly how he wanted to be played and he imposed his vision for his song. And you can see it in hip hop too, for example on Gang Starr's Moment of Truth, all songs were co-produced by Guru, I think it meant Guru added his input to the song by saying how he wanted this or that to sound and Primo must have made it happen. Same thing with SCC's N Gatz We Truss. You see a lot of "co-produced by LV/Havikk The Rhyme Son/DJ Gripp/Whatever". To me, Prode'je must have been the overseer and them were just giving input, and then you had musicians like Tomie & Rob to play the live instruments.

Shorty B. also speaks on his definition of a producer too :

"but you got producers like Just Blaze and all that doin’ that Jay-Z shit, right? But I don’t respect, I mean I respect him as a man, bein’ black or white or whatever, cuz he’s feedin’ his family and all that, and I respect that you came up one way to feed you family. But I don’t respect you as a producer because you gotta take somebody else’s record and come up on it and make a hit that was already a hit?

When cats like me gotta go in there and create and think of what I’m gonna play and what it’s gonna be. I don’t get my hit records from somebody else ideals. I can’t respect you with fifty cents outta that shit. Now I respect real producers, who go in there and play, come up with the ideas and bring it to life! You know what I’m sayin, when it comes from your hands, your ideals, your imagination. That’s a producer to me. I’m not trippin’ on no Just Blaze and shit like that when you gotta go the first thing you do, and I done even see Rico Wade do this, but I been around Rico long enough to know that he IS very talented and he WILL get the job done by his own hands cuz I know he a Pisces and he talented like that. But what I don’t understand is there’s no way I can respect you, no matter how multi-platinum you is, comin’ up off someone else’s shit! And then I’m supposed to respect you. Like you the shit. But then there’s cats like me that gotta go in there and make it up, play it and everything, put all the hard work into it, and then don’t really get the props for it! But you gonna go give him his props when he done took somebody else’s record and put another drum beat to it?! "

http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/shortyb/

[Okka]

Ok, I've been listing to rap since the 80's, and guess I'm a little confused on who get's "Produced By" "Mixed By" credit.

From my understanding, Dr. Dre makes the whole tracks and mixes.  Recently reading D.O.C's interview, it sounds like he throws his name on tracks that someone else has worked on.  Is this true?  I mean we see Scott Storch, Timberland, etc, on like THE GAME's first album, and Dr. Dre production.  D.O.C is saying he steals credit from other producers?

Where did he say that? I thought that it was a known fact that Dr. Dre don't usually create the beat. He just "produces" and mixes the records, what-ever-the-fuck-you wanna call it. I always thought that it's the same thing, but i guess to some people it ain't.

[Stan]

Too many good posts can't quote em all.  I agree with a lot of the definitions.  My 2 cents...

Rap is different than most genres b/c "beat-maker" is often synonymous with "producer."  You don't get that in rock or other genres.  Look at Rick Ruben and how he does his thing.  He goes from Dixie Chicks to Jay-Z to whoever.  He is a producer, just like the definitions above.  See the Snoop interview above.

Making a beat is not the same as producing.  You can sit in a cave and make beats all day and email them to artists but it doesn't mean you produced the finished record.  I think this is where it gets all misunderstood with Dre b/c if you don't know the process then its hard to understand.

The most basic analogy I can think of is a conductor and an orchestra.  Yea all the musicians are classically trained and elite, but they can't work together without that conductor. 

[Jimmy H.]

of course it does. read the article..
Quote:
The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project

Uh, even if the article were saying what you feel it implies, it would still be incorrect. If Daz did produce on either of those songs, he'd be a co-producer with Dre. Dre already has his credit as a producer. They may be listing him as a producer but also stating he co-wrote those two songs. Like I said, it's not confirmation. If he's getting royalties for those, it's probably because he wrote and performed on both of them. I'm not saying he didn't have a bigger hand on the production side because I certainly wasn't there but that article is far from a smoking gun.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

if the info is incorrect, the writer cant assume and visualize his assumptions in media as "real". law says it cant..
u cant assume stuff as a writer, and showcase stuff/beliefs as mere facts.
thats why everybody is so scared of lawsuits..

You must not read many interviews. It happens all the time. 90% of the time writer bias fucks with the actual truth of any article. Don't you remember all those articles that confused Bishop Lamont with Slim the Mobster on "It Could Have Been You"? What about all these news stories that have Dr. Dre was a producer on Kush when he isn't on the official single? One rumor happens and all of a sudden all these article writers are saying it like its fact. You can't take anything for granted.

Basically anything that's not a quote in an article is something that the writer is saying. That's just simple interpretation, my man.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

"naysayer-paranoia" is fascinating.
nails in the coffin already, its been confrimed that Daz did the beats in numerous ways.
dig through the whole thread..
Daz, Kurupt and Snoop confirmed it, and the WideAwake-payment for his uncredited work on the "Doggystyle"-album
confimrs it.
why r u beatin around the bush?
the article/interview implies that Daz also got paid for his proudction and writing on those 2 mentioned songs,
the journalist cuouldnt assume it, cuz if he did - it wouldve been prsented as an "assumtion"
in the published article.

and no, Daz didnt get paid 100000US$ bcuz of his contributed work on those other tracks he perofrmed on. couldnt been sole reason
(cuz he was already ASCAP-tied to some of em, and had generated publishing for some of them already)..
the paper also served as an overdue 18year-compensation for those 2 songs (at least), and thats why Daz is "thumpin his chest"
in the article.

Daz Dillinger and Emanuel Dean both contributed productino-wise and/or instruments to "Doggysytle".

and the lousy "he-didnt-get-credit-in-the-album-credits" argument doenst work.
just becuz somethin isnt etched in stone, doesnt mean it didnt happen.
Pete Rock wasnt credited on some ATCQ-records, but its still proven that he did some work..
and while we're talkin A Tribe Called Quest,
r u familiar wit the line..
"rule #4080 - record-company people are shady"??
reflect over taht, for a minute - n discover logic

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

Ok, I've been listing to rap since the 80's, and guess I'm a little confused on who get's "Produced By" "Mixed By" credit.

From my understanding, Dr. Dre makes the whole tracks and mixes.  Recently reading D.O.C's interview, it sounds like he throws his name on tracks that someone else has worked on.  Is this true?  I mean we see Scott Storch, Timberland, etc, on like THE GAME's first album, and Dr. Dre production.  D.O.C is saying he steals credit from other producers?

Where did he say that? I thought that it was a known fact that Dr. Dre don't usually create the beat. He just "produces" and mixes the records, what-ever-the-fuck-you wanna call it. I always thought that it's the same thing, but i guess to some people it ain't.

Hard to say because in some cases he does create the beat and in some cases he doesn't. But for most of his career he's had a coproducer, so its hard to tell who does what and whether Dre was the one who came up with the beat. I mean even on the N.W.A. albums he was a co-producer with Yella, and the only reason we know he was the main one responsible for the sound then was because the other group members confirmed it.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

"naysayer-paranoia" is fascinating.
nails in the coffin already, its been confrimed that Daz did the beats in numerous ways.
dig through the whole thread..
Daz, Kurupt and Snoop confirmed it, and the WideAwake-payment for his uncredited work on the "Doggystyle"-album
confimrs it.
why r u beatin around the bush?
the article/interview implies that Daz also got paid for his proudction and writing on those 2 mentioned songs,
the journalist cuouldnt assume it, cuz if he did - it wouldve been prsented as an "assumtion"
in the published article.

and no, Daz didnt get paid 100000US$ bcuz of his contributed work on those other tracks he perofrmed on. couldnt been sole reason
(cuz he was already ASCAP-tied to some of em, and had generated publishing for some of them already)..
the paper also served as an overdue 18year-compensation for those 2 songs (at least), and thats why Daz is "thumpin his chest"
in the article.

How do you know what Daz got paid for? Did we read the same article? Daz is quoted as saying he got paid for Doggystyle and then thumped his chest. Then the article writer calls him the producer for 2 tracks. That's something the writer is saying. You gotta at least know how to read stories.

Also, Snoop didn't confirm that Daz made any beats. Read the dubcnn interview with Snoop. He says they brought a sample to Dre and then Dre made the beat. Shit I be finding songs samples and posting them up for dubcc members to fuck with. That doesn't make me a producer does it?

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

"naysayer-paranoia" is fascinating.
nails in the coffin already, its been confrimed that Daz did the beats in numerous ways.
dig through the whole thread..
Daz, Kurupt and Snoop confirmed it, and the WideAwake-payment for his uncredited work on the "Doggystyle"-album
confimrs it.
why r u beatin around the bush?
the article/interview implies that Daz also got paid for his proudction and writing on those 2 mentioned songs,
the journalist cuouldnt assume it, cuz if he did - it wouldve been prsented as an "assumtion"
in the published article.

and no, Daz didnt get paid 100000US$ bcuz of his contributed work on those other tracks he perofrmed on. couldnt been sole reason
(cuz he was already ASCAP-tied to some of em, and had generated publishing for some of them already)..
the paper also served as an overdue 18year-compensation for those 2 songs (at least), and thats why Daz is "thumpin his chest"
in the article.

How do you know what Daz got paid for? Did we read the same article? Daz is quoted as saying he got paid for Doggystyle and then thumped his chest. Then the article writer calls him the producer for 2 tracks. That's something the writer is saying. You gotta at least know how to read stories.

i know it bcuz of my dear friend named "logic".
theres no sense in payin the man a 100 stacks for work,
that he already had partial ASCAP-credited publishing for..

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

Snoop did confirm it

r u literarly blind, or r u still workin on the improveement of ur readin-abilites -
like i promted u to?

Dubcnn: So you're saying it's wrong that Daz or Warren G would claim that they didn't get the credit they deserved on The Chronic or Doggystyle?

I'ma say it like this: they didn't deserve the
credit back then because they didn't do the work. They made beats,
Dre produced that record. Point blank, and I'd say it in they face.
They made beats, cuzz produced the record. If you a real nigga in the rap game,
you'll understand what I'm saying. I can make a beat, but I can't produce!
I can make a beat, but can I tell a nigga what to rap about, can I tell
him when to come with the hook? Can you break the beat down? That's what producing is."

"Ain't No Fun", Daz and Warren G brought him the little
*sings melody*, that's all they had! Dre took that muthafucka to the next level!

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

"naysayer-paranoia" is fascinating.
nails in the coffin already, its been confrimed that Daz did the beats in numerous ways.
dig through the whole thread..
Daz, Kurupt and Snoop confirmed it, and the WideAwake-payment for his uncredited work on the "Doggystyle"-album
confimrs it.
why r u beatin around the bush?
the article/interview implies that Daz also got paid for his proudction and writing on those 2 mentioned songs,
the journalist cuouldnt assume it, cuz if he did - it wouldve been prsented as an "assumtion"
in the published article.

and no, Daz didnt get paid 100000US$ bcuz of his contributed work on those other tracks he perofrmed on. couldnt been sole reason
(cuz he was already ASCAP-tied to some of em, and had generated publishing for some of them already)..
the paper also served as an overdue 18year-compensation for those 2 songs (at least), and thats why Daz is "thumpin his chest"
in the article.

How do you know what Daz got paid for? Did we read the same article? Daz is quoted as saying he got paid for Doggystyle and then thumped his chest. Then the article writer calls him the producer for 2 tracks. That's something the writer is saying. You gotta at least know how to read stories.

i know it bcuz of my dear friend named "logic".
theres no sense in payin the man a 100 stacks for work,
that he already had partial ASCAP-credited publishing for..

It would make sense that's what he was getting paid for. Do you really think Suge has been handing these dudes checks all these years after they said fuck him and left Death Row? There's tons of money from the album sales all these years that these guys are never seeing. WideAwake took over and decided to finally start paying these artists for their work.

Let's say you're right and Daz did some production on Doggystyle. I don't even see how its possible they would be paying him for something he never received credit for. Do you really think WideAwake has any idea who produced what, beyond what the credits say? How would they decide who to pay? I don't think they'd be idiotic enough to just start handing out money to anyone who claims to have worked on a record.