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Quote from: LAC/EASTSIDE on March 10, 2011, 11:11:11 PMWhat is OVERALL?Snoop is just better. Most of tha tracks on Eminem's albums are garbage. The singles and a few verses here and there is what makes Eminem stand out. I NEVER understood the whole mystique and aura of "The Marshall Mathers LP", i actually brought that album and was so disappointed becuz it didn't live up 2 it's hype, he wasn't even disrespecting gay people like that (if hardly at all). Eminem is a product of a white boy rapper who got cool with a top black entertainer/spokesman/legendary musician, he was never anything special 2 begin with besides that fact that he had flow and a few bars that were extremely mean here n there. that's why he stays in that whole "hailey, kim" lane, he knows he's nothing without it. Snoop Dogg on the other hand is way more entertaining (even tho i admit dude can be corny as fuck, especially recently with the never ending "izzle" and trying to talk all "hip-like"). Snoop has character, that's something Eminem never had and that goes a very long way. Yeah he's dropped some corny shit but what's this... his 11th ALBUM/46th MIXTAPE, i mean what else can an artists do (in any genre). I mean we can debate on who's better all day and nobody is trying to take anything away from Eminem becuz I'd definitely be delusional if I said he didn't have an EMpact or Social relevance (or any skill 4 that matter) but he's not all what some people and the media have made him seem like all of these years. When he "first came out" he was the shit and I was hooked and was a hardcore fan (like y'all) but then once "encore" dropped it kinda killed my whole high 4 Eminem, and then it got worse with "Relapse" and "The Re Up" and "Recovery". I hate to sound like a fair whether fan or one of those people who are like "his old shit is better than his new shit" but it's safe 2 say that HIS OLD SHIT IS BETTER THAN HIS NEW SHIT AND his old shit isn't even all that great. "Infinite" used 2 be 1 of my albums so I KNOW all about Eminem but really tho, he just hasn't been that hot in tha last part of the decade and his shit before that was mediocre.
What is OVERALL?
I mean we can debate on who's better all day and nobody is trying to take anything away from Eminem becuz I'd definitely be delusional if I said he didn't have an EMpact or Social relevance (or any skill 4 that matter) but he's not all what some people and the media have made him seem like all of these years.
Quote from: My Gunz Go BOOM BOOM Your Guns Go pow pow™ on March 10, 2011, 11:22:52 PM I mean we can debate on who's better all day and nobody is trying to take anything away from Eminem becuz I'd definitely be delusional if I said he didn't have an EMpact or Social relevance (or any skill 4 that matter) but he's not all what some people and the media have made him seem like all of these years. Your statements are contradictory within themselves but I will certainly agree with the last part though I will broaden it a little and say that it applies to nearly every famous person in existence. None of them are as great as what the media and their fans build them up to be. Not Eminem. Not Dr. Dre. Not Tupac. Not Michael Jordan. Not Tiger Woods. Not anybody. They are all talented people who through a good support system, hard work, and a little bit of luck became stars. We put them on pedestals because they're gifted at their craft but at the end of the day, they are all flesh and blood human beings who go through the same struggles as everyone else walking the planet. We relate to them because something in what they do speaks to us and our situation but for all the hype from the media or the record labels or their P.R. people, they aren't Gods, literal or otherwise. If any of those artists mentioned did not have a major media conglomerate investing their money into pumping their image and music into our homes, we wouldn't be talking about any of them today. They're all pop artists. You can dress it up all you want but all those West Coast acts we "grew up on" came across our radar because labels like Interscope, Jive, Sony, whoever, pumped money into putting their music and image on our TV sets, radios, and the movies we watched. We weren't buying N.W.A demo tapes out of the back of cars, we were buying them at the local CD shop with a Priority logo on them.
^^^ u know what i hate the most about technology (at this particular SECOND) is that when it comes to blogs people always try 2 tear down everything u say.
Oh i know that Eminem is a lyrical beast, no doubt about it and I'm a scholar of this game (and will always be) so I have studied it, at tha same time I've studied literally hundreds or thousands of other artists too. But when you're like "i know it's hard to get past" is kinda like the breaking point of where i need 2 stop becuz that's important, if i can't listen to u for more than 30 seconds then it's a problem and not just with me either lol. I'm not tryna fade Eminem but for a record like "Detox" tho, the whole aura and mystique behind it, the legacy of Dr. Dre's music, his last album.... Eminem just doesn't cut it playing that "co-star" role. "Detox" has to be organic first and foremost, it's not just another Eminem record, and "Detox" has to be hard and everything we've imagined (At least close to it) of what it should be. If Dr. Dre uses Eminem as that sidekick role I'm telling you right now it's gonna be "Relapse" and "Recovery" all over again, and we all know how people feel about those albums. Single(s)-wise Eminem is the perfect choice, albumwise he's not.
LMAO @ this clown with his "scientific facts" about who is better between Snoop and Eminem you dont understand music chemistry, that's ok
and laugh even harder at Dre "literally" being a GOD OF MUSIC before he discovered Eminem. you definitely don't know what tha fuck you're talking about now. i dont even have 2 explain what Andre Young has done for music
You can narrow it down to whatever racial or geographical or worldy terms you want, it's the same thing I tell love33, no matter what fucking community or city you represent, you're still touching less than 1% of the fucking country so your personal perception of how the public receives anything is no stronger than anyone elses. you don't really know how i view shit or how wide i view it... next. but i will say that my answer to that does ly within this thread (about 12 or 13 times)
It's not a reverse racism thing at all. It's more like talking down on what's popular just because it's popular. It's people whose insecurity won't let them admit they enjoy music that is mainstream. I see the same thing with Jay-Z and other artists. You can have an artist that is fucking great but once the white kids or the crossover audience embraces them, they have to champion some other artist who is nowhere near as good to be "better" because his video isn't on MTV. I'm not saying there aren't a whole shit load of garbage artists that are on MTV but popular music has always been hit and miss. So how do u feel about Gucci Mane and Rick Ross (honestly)... none of that "i think they suck but..." shit
oh and my statements aren't contradictory at all, u just want them 2 be