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Nah Im casting a wider net than that. My point is that people are being dumbed down by the second by not being able to think for themselves and come to their own conclusions about important issues, and as a result, mainstream society would rather look to govt (the higher power) to do more for them not realizing that you just can't force certain things with a law in a book somewhere. Laws don't equal fairness or equity, necessarily.
Quote from: Russell Bell on March 09, 2011, 02:40:57 AMNah Im casting a wider net than that. My point is that people are being dumbed down by the second by not being able to think for themselves and come to their own conclusions about important issues, and as a result, mainstream society would rather look to govt (the higher power) to do more for them not realizing that you just can't force certain things with a law in a book somewhere. Laws don't equal fairness or equity, necessarily. Quote from: Sami on Yesterday at 11:32:02 PMWe are declining and collapsing now as a civilized society now because of people like you and the worst part of it is that ignorant so-called "Libertarians" like you don't yet realize is that you are just letting big corporations privatize every single formerly public institution so they can keep the vast majority of people illiterate and pseudo-intellectual like you while they have everything.also, read the part I wrote about "Wendy's", you'll see JUST exactly how dumb Americans are. What State (city, town, etc) doesn't have a Wendy's, it's mindblowing how stupid humans really are
You people are all idiots if you think being apart of the working class is like slavery.
Some interesting discussions going on over here. I'd like to give another perspective:We're talking about slavery in the past, but don't most of us live in slavery now? Most people work at an office or whatever, five days a week, year after year. And still, to be able to afford a roof over your head, we have to loan money. So we are constantly in debt, and working for a boss to get by. That sounds like slavery to me, even though it's not as obvious as back then.Oh, and here's an interesting thought from the movie "The Yes Men". Like Infinite said: Slaves are expensive. They require a roof over their head, they need to be fed, they need clothes, etc. So what do we do now? We outsource slavery! Our products are being made in sweatshops overseas, but hey, we don't do slavery anymore!
Quote from: G-Bee on March 09, 2011, 08:14:45 AMSome interesting discussions going on over here. I'd like to give another perspective:We're talking about slavery in the past, but don't most of us live in slavery now? Most people work at an office or whatever, five days a week, year after year. And still, to be able to afford a roof over your head, we have to loan money. So we are constantly in debt, and working for a boss to get by. That sounds like slavery to me, even though it's not as obvious as back then.Oh, and here's an interesting thought from the movie "The Yes Men". Like Infinite said: Slaves are expensive. They require a roof over their head, they need to be fed, they need clothes, etc. So what do we do now? We outsource slavery! Our products are being made in sweatshops overseas, but hey, we don't do slavery anymore!The problem is most people live over their means (dont know the difference between WANT and NEED, or DESERVE TO HAVE and CAN ACTUALLY BUY) just like the state of California and the rest of our country. Cant pay for it? Fuck it, buy that 300 dollar phone anyway on a credit card! People are gullible as fuck. If the poor slobs weren't taking us down with em I wouldnt even care.I get what ur sayin about the people at the bottom (certain workers) getting fucked over, but thats how a society works, theres different rungs on the ladder. If we were all truly equal, we wouldnt have much more than a pot to piss in.
Quote from: Russell Bell on March 09, 2011, 10:06:46 PMQuote from: G-Bee on March 09, 2011, 08:14:45 AMSome interesting discussions going on over here. I'd like to give another perspective:We're talking about slavery in the past, but don't most of us live in slavery now? Most people work at an office or whatever, five days a week, year after year. And still, to be able to afford a roof over your head, we have to loan money. So we are constantly in debt, and working for a boss to get by. That sounds like slavery to me, even though it's not as obvious as back then.Oh, and here's an interesting thought from the movie "The Yes Men". Like Infinite said: Slaves are expensive. They require a roof over their head, they need to be fed, they need clothes, etc. So what do we do now? We outsource slavery! Our products are being made in sweatshops overseas, but hey, we don't do slavery anymore!The problem is most people live over their means (dont know the difference between WANT and NEED, or DESERVE TO HAVE and CAN ACTUALLY BUY) just like the state of California and the rest of our country. Cant pay for it? Fuck it, buy that 300 dollar phone anyway on a credit card! People are gullible as fuck. If the poor slobs weren't taking us down with em I wouldnt even care.I get what ur sayin about the people at the bottom (certain workers) getting fucked over, but thats how a society works, theres different rungs on the ladder. If we were all truly equal, we wouldnt have much more than a pot to piss in.Totally disagree! In 2007 over 80 million people didn't earn enough to make a living. In 2005, the 300,000 richest Americans earned as much as the poorest 150 MILLION Americans. On average that's a 440 times higher income. Since 1980 that gap has doubled. The total income increases but only the top percent has more money in their pockets, almost 90% suffer from an decrease of income. And still the rich even benefit from tax incentives. That's NOT how it works, that's how most of the people with money and power want it. What's so sad about it is that too many which suffer from this trend let themselves be fooled by this fairy tale, the "American Dream".
My statement was aimed more at those who will complain about the "evil" corporations and how terrible they are and act like everyone should be equal no matter what. There has to be haves and have nots was my point.
Quote from: Russell Bell on March 10, 2011, 11:55:46 AMMy statement was aimed more at those who will complain about the "evil" corporations and how terrible they are and act like everyone should be equal no matter what. There has to be haves and have nots was my point.Word.. if everyone was equal, then exchange would not be possible. We deal with each other because we exchange with each other, whether that be work, ideas, money, or anything, differences and inequalities create potential for exchange amongst human beings.