where is california's bun-b or raekwon?

[GangstaBoogy]

In recent years bun-b and raekwon have been hip-hops biggest co-signers. Everyone from veterans to up and comers lookin for approval have had a feature from one or both of them...

Why don't we have anyone like that? Ice cube definetely fits the mold but if not him then ren, spice 1, I would say e40 but I understand he's an acquired taste, or someone. Does the hip hop community not respect out ogs?

[bouli77]

In recent years bun-b and raekwon have been hip-hops biggest co-signers. Everyone from veterans to up and comers lookin for approval have had a feature from one or both of them...

Why don't we have anyone like that? Ice cube definetely fits the mold but if not him then ren, spice 1, I would say e40 but I understand he's an acquired taste, or someone. Does the hip hop community not respect out ogs?

The thing is Bun comes from the South, which has been hot for a while now in terms of mainstream exposure and Raekwon comes from the East which is the mecca of HH and more importantly where the hip hop intelligentsia dwells. westcoast artists have been forsaken by their own radio stations and been trashed by the media for ages. So some of the OG's are local heroes and are respected by hip hop historians and real rap fans as well as big rappers who know their shit but aren't really as embraced as Bun and Raekwon are.

Yet, someone like Too $hort have similar features as Bun and Raekwon in some ways. Like Bun-B he's prone to jump on everybody's shit, you find him fucking with Kelis, Puffy, Jay, T.I., Jazze Pha, Big Boi, etc. he's defnitely out there and pretty much everyone knows who Too Short is today, without knowing one song from him. He's embraced by the hip hop community, everybody pays homage to him and he's praised, imitated (Kid Cudi). and so on

E-40 too actually. 40 may be hated by a lot of so called hip-hop fans who don't really know the role he played as far as South/West/Midwest rap is concerned and by critics but he's embraced by many rappers these critics worship : The Roots, Kweli, Nas, Method Man, Bun-B. And he's bragged so much about his ability to create neologism and lyrical influence that I've noticed the reverse effect on some journalists. They tend to over-exaggerate his skills and influence. I like 40 but some dub him the "king of slang" and credits him for things he isn't responsible for. But he's grinded so hard over the years that his tactics actually paid off and I think he's today one of the biggest hip-hop co-signer to come from the west, with Short and Cube or Snoop. The newcomers actually look up to him as "the king of slang".

However, these co-signer mainly work for westcoast artists, since the west isn't as big as it used to, and if anything, even these rap veterans need to get co-signers on their songs. E-40 tried that when he had people like Juelz Santana or Akon on his albums but I remember him saying that the feedback weren't too positive about that and that he went back to his old bay area features. You can see the difference between the line-up from The Ball Street Journal (Shawty Lo, Akon, T-Pain etc.) and RR DS/NS (San Quinn, Too Short, Messy Marv, Dru Down, The Jacka, etc.)

[JML-G]

no, hip hop wishes there wasnt no Cali

 

[Gamestarr]

Pretty lame how everybody suddenly had that endless respect for Bun when Pimp died.

You didnt see anybody trynna get on with him before that. at least not in the same way.

[JML-G]

you kidding?!

Bun B was on everyones and their mamas albums while Pimp was locked too

[Eddz]

you kidding?!

Bun B was on everyones and their mamas albums while Pimp was locked too

I was about to say the same thing. He was yelling"Free Pimp C" one everyone's records.

I think the closest would be Too Short & Snoop. Too Short has been featured on everyone's albums and people still go to Snoop for that west feature.

[MistaNova]

I'd say Snoop Dogg.
The way I see it Bun B and Snoop Dogg have been two of hip-hop's biggest co-signers. Only while Bun works with heads new and old to the rap game, Snoop works with people outside hip hop. A lot of acts want to at least have a feature by Snoop, even though his sales have been going downhill his name is still known by a lot of people and will turn a few heads.

[GangstaBoogy]

Wow this gamestarr kid keeps proving he knows nothing about hip-hop. Did you not hear bub-b featured on everybodys shit screaming "free pimp-c" the whole time dude was locked up?

But bouli you're actually completely right about too short. Although he's not as featured today as he was a few years ago. But even then he was usually featured by lil jon / tvt camp. Like I said, cube really fits the raekwon / bun-b mold, but with his rep its hard to tell if no one wants to work with him or if he's too busy (or too cocky) to hope on songs from other artist

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

In recent years bun-b and raekwon have been hip-hops biggest co-signers. Everyone from veterans to up and comers lookin for approval have had a feature from one or both of them...

Why don't we have anyone like that? Ice cube definetely fits the mold but if not him then ren, spice 1, I would say e40 but I understand he's an acquired taste, or someone. Does the hip hop community not respect out ogs?

biggest co-signers? no way,
ever heard about Snoop Dogg?

hes up for guinees this year, for most guest-appearancs in musichistory
i think Busta Rhymes comes in 2nd, n then maybe Kokane, Bun B, Lil Wayne and Kurupt

[bouli77]

In recent years bun-b and raekwon have been hip-hops biggest co-signers. Everyone from veterans to up and comers lookin for approval have had a feature from one or both of them...

Why don't we have anyone like that? Ice cube definetely fits the mold but if not him then ren, spice 1, I would say e40 but I understand he's an acquired taste, or someone. Does the hip hop community not respect out ogs?

biggest co-signers? no way,
ever heard about Snoop Dogg?

hes up for guinees this year, for most guest-appearancs in musichistory
i think Busta Rhymes comes in 2nd, n then maybe Kokane, Bun B, Lil Wayne and Kurupt

Well Kokane and Kurupt are not really relevant, they don't have the high-profile status Bun and Rae have and that's what artists are looking for. I don't think rappers think "let's make a track with Kurupt and make it a single it's gonna be a great move for my career". It's not about the number of collaborations per se it's more of a particular type of collaborations, otherwise a dude like San Quinn (who was inducted into the Guinness in 97 or 98 for the most appearances in rap for someone under 21) would be up there too.

Also, we're talking about recent years, this is a new era, Snoop is definitely up there with Busta and Wayne but I think Bun B may be the most hyped. As Iveus said, Snoop is mainly featured with non-rap artists these days, but yeah him and busta prolly have the biggest number of collaborations under their belt.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

In recent years bun-b and raekwon have been hip-hops biggest co-signers. Everyone from veterans to up and comers lookin for approval have had a feature from one or both of them...

Why don't we have anyone like that? Ice cube definetely fits the mold but if not him then ren, spice 1, I would say e40 but I understand he's an acquired taste, or someone. Does the hip hop community not respect out ogs?

biggest co-signers? no way,
ever heard about Snoop Dogg?

hes up for guinees this year, for most guest-appearancs in musichistory
i think Busta Rhymes comes in 2nd, n then maybe Kokane, Bun B, Lil Wayne and Kurupt

Well Kokane and Kurupt are not really relevant, they don't have the high-profile status Bun and Rae have and that's what artists are looking for. I don't think rappers think "let's make a track with Kurupt and make it a single it's gonna be a great move for my career". It's not about the number of collaborations per se it's more of a particular type of collaborations, otherwise a dude like San Quinn (who was inducted into the Guinness in 97 or 98 for the most appearances in rap for someone under 21) would be up there too.

Also, we're talking about recent years, this is a new era, Snoop is definitely up there with Busta and Wayne but I think Bun B may be the most hyped. As Iveus said, Snoop is mainly featured with non-rap artists these days, but yeah him and busta prolly have the biggest number of collaborations under their belt.

yea granted, Kurupt or Kokane is not MTV-name rappers - so i get the point.

but i disagree on Snoop,
Snoop is definitely the biggest guest-apperance artist in music (not solely rap) today, period.
u can even ask Charlie Sheen about that..

[bouli77]

In recent years bun-b and raekwon have been hip-hops biggest co-signers. Everyone from veterans to up and comers lookin for approval have had a feature from one or both of them...

Why don't we have anyone like that? Ice cube definetely fits the mold but if not him then ren, spice 1, I would say e40 but I understand he's an acquired taste, or someone. Does the hip hop community not respect out ogs?

biggest co-signers? no way,
ever heard about Snoop Dogg?

hes up for guinees this year, for most guest-appearancs in musichistory
i think Busta Rhymes comes in 2nd, n then maybe Kokane, Bun B, Lil Wayne and Kurupt

Well Kokane and Kurupt are not really relevant, they don't have the high-profile status Bun and Rae have and that's what artists are looking for. I don't think rappers think "let's make a track with Kurupt and make it a single it's gonna be a great move for my career". It's not about the number of collaborations per se it's more of a particular type of collaborations, otherwise a dude like San Quinn (who was inducted into the Guinness in 97 or 98 for the most appearances in rap for someone under 21) would be up there too.

Also, we're talking about recent years, this is a new era, Snoop is definitely up there with Busta and Wayne but I think Bun B may be the most hyped. As Iveus said, Snoop is mainly featured with non-rap artists these days, but yeah him and busta prolly have the biggest number of collaborations under their belt.

yea granted, Kurupt or Kokane is not MTV-name rappers - so i get the point.

but i disagree on Snoop,
Snoop is definitely the biggest guest-apperance artist in music (not solely rap) today, period.
u can even ask Charlie Sheen about that..

nah absolutely, he's bigger than rap, he's basically more of a socialite these days than a rap artist. so rappers when they need a hip-hop co-signer will be more likely to reach Bun or Rae who keep it 100% rap for the most part rather than Snoop who's been mainly featured with people like Pussycat Dolls, Katy Perry, Charlie Sheen or some russian rapper. That's how I view it.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

In recent years bun-b and raekwon have been hip-hops biggest co-signers. Everyone from veterans to up and comers lookin for approval have had a feature from one or both of them...

Why don't we have anyone like that? Ice cube definetely fits the mold but if not him then ren, spice 1, I would say e40 but I understand he's an acquired taste, or someone. Does the hip hop community not respect out ogs?

biggest co-signers? no way,
ever heard about Snoop Dogg?

hes up for guinees this year, for most guest-appearancs in musichistory
i think Busta Rhymes comes in 2nd, n then maybe Kokane, Bun B, Lil Wayne and Kurupt

Well Kokane and Kurupt are not really relevant, they don't have the high-profile status Bun and Rae have and that's what artists are looking for. I don't think rappers think "let's make a track with Kurupt and make it a single it's gonna be a great move for my career". It's not about the number of collaborations per se it's more of a particular type of collaborations, otherwise a dude like San Quinn (who was inducted into the Guinness in 97 or 98 for the most appearances in rap for someone under 21) would be up there too.

Also, we're talking about recent years, this is a new era, Snoop is definitely up there with Busta and Wayne but I think Bun B may be the most hyped. As Iveus said, Snoop is mainly featured with non-rap artists these days, but yeah him and busta prolly have the biggest number of collaborations under their belt.

yea granted, Kurupt or Kokane is not MTV-name rappers - so i get the point.

but i disagree on Snoop,
Snoop is definitely the biggest guest-apperance artist in music (not solely rap) today, period.
u can even ask Charlie Sheen about that..

nah absolutely, he's bigger than rap, he's basically more of a socialite these days than a rap artist. so rappers when they need a hip-hop co-signer will be more likely to reach Bun or Rae who keep it 100% rap for the most part rather than Snoop who's been mainly featured with people like Pussycat Dolls, Katy Perry, Charlie Sheen or some russian rapper. That's how I view it.

exactly, i c what ur sayin - but Snoop is still collaboartin wit new up 'n coming rappers
(just like Bun B).
if ur coming in to the rap-game today as a new artist,
its a nobrainer - to get ur manager on the phone wit Ted Chung, so u can get a 16bar-verse from Snoop on one of ur new songs.
(and if ur doin a remix, ur gettin Busta Rhymes)

even if ur a local East or West Coast-rapper without any big buzz, u can still get Snoop on ur shit. he might collaboarte wit Quictamac, Maino, or Sho Shot
 one day, n then do a song wit some Japanase singer or Bulgarain rapper the next day, n then collaboaret wit
Charlie Sheen, Stevie Wonder or jump on 50 cents or Dr Dres new single day after dat

i think this seperates Snoop from other A-list rappers like Jay-Z or 50 cent -  Snoop is always available for a guestappearance (if u have the money)

[doggfather]

Michael Madsen is right:




Snoop is definitely the biggest guest-apperance artist in music (not solely rap) today, period.