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It's a disguise to try and conceal a rappers lack of creative ability. Hustling, image, and "swag" (my god, I hate that word) take precedence over talent, and because big labels can push these rappers over TV/radio/publications to the fully recognized level, where everyone is aware of themMe personally - I hate talentless kids making big money.... Why? Because somewhere, for every talentless person with a deal, there is a talented kid who can play numerous instruments, and has an artistry intellect is down in some low paying job somewhere, which isn't right.Picture your child, who has spent years - most of his life - attending music classes, writing music, learning instruments, working to spend money on equipment, and spending every bit of free time and energy mastering his craft, while some bozo who has a 2 year hobby to want to be a big rapper for fame and bragging-rights purposes strikes a big deal, while your child looses out.. Somewhere that is happening, and is happening regularlyLabels have a responsibility to ensure the future survival and level of quality in the music industry first and foremost, while profit should be a very close second, but what we see now is shareholders first, profit second, business investment third, so on, and so on, with quality being away down the list... Good for them, but bad for consumer confidence, and dependability for getting value for money, which is why the industry (in a physical product sense - CD's etc) is suffering from a sales point
Quote from: mickaveli2001 on May 25, 2011, 01:41:58 PMIt's a disguise to try and conceal a rappers lack of creative ability. Hustling, image, and "swag" (my god, I hate that word) take precedence over talent, and because big labels can push these rappers over TV/radio/publications to the fully recognized level, where everyone is aware of themMe personally - I hate talentless kids making big money.... Why? Because somewhere, for every talentless person with a deal, there is a talented kid who can play numerous instruments, and has an artistry intellect is down in some low paying job somewhere, which isn't right.Picture your child, who has spent years - most of his life - attending music classes, writing music, learning instruments, working to spend money on equipment, and spending every bit of free time and energy mastering his craft, while some bozo who has a 2 year hobby to want to be a big rapper for fame and bragging-rights purposes strikes a big deal, while your child looses out.. Somewhere that is happening, and is happening regularlyLabels have a responsibility to ensure the future survival and level of quality in the music industry first and foremost, while profit should be a very close second, but what we see now is shareholders first, profit second, business investment third, so on, and so on, with quality being away down the list... Good for them, but bad for consumer confidence, and dependability for getting value for money, which is why the industry (in a physical product sense - CD's etc) is suffering from a sales pointReal talk, but your comments bout kids working hard for the art will mostly fall on deaf ears here.I'll probably get called a cracker just for saying that much..
Me personally - I hate talentless kids making big money.... Why? Because somewhere, for every talentless person with a deal, there is a talented kid who can play numerous instruments, and has an artistry intellect is down in some low paying job somewhere, which isn't right.Picture your child, who has spent years - most of his life - attending music classes, writing music, learning instruments, working to spend money on equipment, and spending every bit of free time and energy mastering his craft, while some bozo who has a 2 year hobby to want to be a big rapper for fame and bragging-rights purposes strikes a big deal, while your child looses out.. Somewhere that is happening, and is happening regularly
Labels have a responsibility to ensure the future survival and level of quality in the music industry first and foremost, while profit should be a very close second, but what we see now is shareholders first, profit second, business investment third, so on, and so on, with quality being away down the list... Good for them, but bad for consumer confidence, and dependability for getting value for money, which is why the industry (in a physical product sense - CD's etc) is suffering from a sales point
Quote from: J$crILLa on May 24, 2011, 02:12:23 AMQuote from: Michael Madsen on May 23, 2011, 09:15:02 AMQuote from: 3rd Coast on May 23, 2011, 08:47:04 AMQuote from: J$crILLa on May 22, 2011, 11:57:13 PMthe rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.here are some examples:Lil WayneDrakeGucci ManeRick RossSoulja Boyand at #1: AUTO TUNE!say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the gameauto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boysoulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?how did they get big n radio play...they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...okay.... so i take it quality isnt impportant to u?thats basically what he said, he dont care bout quality. lol. u buy music becuase they hustle, LOL, not becuase its good. WOW!fuck quality who cares, if i want a message i'll call my pops,uncles grandpa up ... a rapper cant tell me shit...every tuesday i spend close to a bill on new releases at best buy...i go out to different events ( car shows, concerts, clubs etc) nigga outside hustlin music...ill drop 5-10 bucks...give that nigga hopei aint never been a snob to music...
Quote from: Michael Madsen on May 23, 2011, 09:15:02 AMQuote from: 3rd Coast on May 23, 2011, 08:47:04 AMQuote from: J$crILLa on May 22, 2011, 11:57:13 PMthe rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.here are some examples:Lil WayneDrakeGucci ManeRick RossSoulja Boyand at #1: AUTO TUNE!say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the gameauto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boysoulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?how did they get big n radio play...they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...okay.... so i take it quality isnt impportant to u?thats basically what he said, he dont care bout quality. lol. u buy music becuase they hustle, LOL, not becuase its good. WOW!
Quote from: 3rd Coast on May 23, 2011, 08:47:04 AMQuote from: J$crILLa on May 22, 2011, 11:57:13 PMthe rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.here are some examples:Lil WayneDrakeGucci ManeRick RossSoulja Boyand at #1: AUTO TUNE!say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the gameauto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boysoulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?how did they get big n radio play...they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...okay.... so i take it quality isnt impportant to u?
Quote from: J$crILLa on May 22, 2011, 11:57:13 PMthe rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.here are some examples:Lil WayneDrakeGucci ManeRick RossSoulja Boyand at #1: AUTO TUNE!say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the gameauto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boysoulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?how did they get big n radio play...they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...
the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.here are some examples:Lil WayneDrakeGucci ManeRick RossSoulja Boyand at #1: AUTO TUNE!
Quote from: 3rd Coast on May 24, 2011, 09:08:29 AMQuote from: J$crILLa on May 24, 2011, 02:12:23 AMQuote from: Michael Madsen on May 23, 2011, 09:15:02 AMQuote from: 3rd Coast on May 23, 2011, 08:47:04 AMQuote from: J$crILLa on May 22, 2011, 11:57:13 PMthe rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.here are some examples:Lil WayneDrakeGucci ManeRick RossSoulja Boyand at #1: AUTO TUNE!say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the gameauto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boysoulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?how did they get big n radio play...they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...okay.... so i take it quality isnt impportant to u?thats basically what he said, he dont care bout quality. lol. u buy music becuase they hustle, LOL, not becuase its good. WOW!fuck quality who cares, if i want a message i'll call my pops,uncles grandpa up ... a rapper cant tell me shit...every tuesday i spend close to a bill on new releases at best buy...i go out to different events ( car shows, concerts, clubs etc) nigga outside hustlin music...ill drop 5-10 bucks...give that nigga hopei aint never been a snob to music...#higherthangod'struthlike i said tho, this thread is wack (not that i judge chit like that). it's just bitching. i don't get how y'all can hang on to something that long and totally block out everything else. if wat 3rd said about "quality music" went over your heads (maybe u coulda been fuckin wit him idk), but if it did then Rap music just doesn't love you back.
So we shouldn't like quality music?Or is the definition of quality just being misused? Cause what u guys are sayin is quality = some conscientious, positive message type stuff, and that isnt what "quality" means to me necessarily. This isn't about "message vs fun music" just like it aint about "new vs old".
Quote from: Russell Bell on May 25, 2011, 11:53:03 PMSo we shouldn't like quality music?Or is the definition of quality just being misused? Cause what u guys are sayin is quality = some conscientious, positive message type stuff, and that isnt what "quality" means to me necessarily. This isn't about "message vs fun music" just like it aint about "new vs old".There is no straight definition of quality, hence this thread makes no sense. A lot of the people complaining still listen to washed up rappers who imo can't rap anymore. Who are you to tell me mainstream rappers aren't quality.
Listen to any old school hiphop that talks about 'wack mcs' - back then if it was weak music people knew the reals and you wouldn't be seen dead listening to it. Credible music had streetcred or whatever you want to call it and you didn't need a definition to know when something was wack jack. Nowadays those lyrical disses have changed and bone head rappers have beef with one another on twitter and shit like that. If you call something wack or weak you're a hater... That's not a comment about old vs new music it's about the attitude and mindset of the listener.
It has nothing to do with piracy. Piracy existed in the 90's, and music was easier to bootleg/record than what it is now...