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Interesting stat in Kobe vs Jordan debate......
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on June 29, 2011, 11:27:28 PM ---NIK sounds so angry when he's dead wrong it's absurd. Sadly enough, I read all of that though.
I know in your head you figured writing a lot would cover for you. But for literally the first entire half of that you did nothing but RAMBLE about nothing relevant to the actual topic, just bashing LeBron because you truly think it bothers me. Which just goes to show how ANGRY it makes you when people talk shit about Kobe. You thought talking down about LeBron would eat me inside the way it DESTROYS you to hear about Kobe in a negative light.
LeBron wasn't brought up because of anything BUT the fact to prove you're a hypocrite for trying to fight Kobe > MJ with regular season stats when I can easily show LeBron > Kobe with regular season stats, but you said that's "not allowed" because the only thing that matters is the post-season. Right there you lost that one, chief.
Next, I SAW KOBE WITHOUT SHAQ LOL. Nigga did absolutely nothing. The year you're talking about, no Shaq, no ring. Getting back to EXACTLY why you're a faggot ass hypocrite because you're talking about a "LeBron-type season" with phenomenal stats & nothing to show for it in the playoffs. Yet THAT'S your argument for Kobe. Do you listen to yourself?
Finally, I never said it was a bogus statistic, dipshit. It's just moronic to compare a Jordan season nearly 20 years before Kobe's season. You're talking about two different leagues. Nobody played then that played in Kobe's year (that was relevant in Kobe's year). So inevitably, you're fighting an argument for Kobe that you cannot prove. Like I said & you just keeping saying "I DIDN'T SAY THAT!", you're saying "Imagine Kobe played then, because math proves he would of scored 40 PPG". Why post the stat & say it's "interesting in this debate..." if you didn't think that? You're just denying that's what this is all about because now the more you think about it, the more you realize how fucking stupid you sound. Different teams, different players, different officiating, different era's of basketball.
& a side note, LMFAO @ saying "Kobe was the main scoring option" after Shaq, when before this thread it was "Kobe > Shaq" during those years. "Shaq rode Kobe", etc. First the current Lakers team was the greatest, then the past few years you've shitted on everyone not named Kobe, just to fight the argument that he's better. Now you're going back on saying Kobe won those three-peat years by saying Shaq played a bigger role. You're a joke. Also without Shaq winning those rings for Kobe, he would have two rings & even you couldn't defend Kobe over Jordan then.
http://www.youtube.com/v/0ePQKD9iBfU
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what am i wrong about, dumbfuck? the stats i posted are FACTS, there is absolutely nothin 2 be wrong about...ur so damn retarded that even in a topic that isn't about "right" or "wrong", u try to argue that i'm wrong...u are the definition of a fucking moron. as for u bringing up lebron, let me make it easy for ur retarded ass.. to be amongst the all-time greats, u must have 2 things; championship rings and stats to back up ur accomplishments...if u have one or the other, it's not gunna work. kobe and mj have both, lebron doesn't...thats exactly why ur groupie ass is a fucking moron for bringin him into this topic....now, kobe didn't win shit in his best scoring season, but neither did jordan. how does that even factor into what i'm posting, u gutless bitch? obviously, both jordan and kobe won rings, but according to u, we cant compare their best scoring seasons because of that? my god, u are one dumb mutherfucker, why do u even say such dumbass shit that has no barring on what i'm getting at? are u really that fucking butthurt that ur coward of an idol has nothing to show for when topics regarding the greatest players of all time are brought up? cuz thats really what it looks like, fagboy...u better check urself, cuz while ur typin longass posts tryna "ether" me, ur making urself look like a complete fucking idiot in the process, son. u say shit about different eras and what not, yet all i did was post a stat to point out how scoring has changed in the nba. never said kobe would for sure average 40, but common sense tells u that scoring 35.4 out of 97 points is more impressive than scoring 37.1 out of 110 points, u dumb sonofabitch. also, i never said "kobe > shaq" in the threepeat era...i said kobe was just as big to those championship teams, and that they are the greatest duo of all time. neither was better, they were on a 50-50 scale, hence greatest DUO. shaq in his prime was unstoppable, and nobody can deny that he was one of the most dominant players ever. the offense ran through him, and that's common sense, dumbfuck. that doesn't mean kobe wasn't the co-captain of those teams along with him and has nothing to do with my main point of kobe only having an offense run through him post-shaq...ur brain only thinks on 1 level, dumbfuck, u actually think that that if an offense runs through player a. that player b. cant contribute just as much lmao retard....ur dumber than fucking 16 year olds who argue basketball at the local park, u remedial fuckin cocksucker. and u look like aaron carter. kill urself.
Chamillitary Click:
LOL, more & more personal shots with nothing to actually defend your point here.
1. You don't need to talk about LeBron anymore, he's irrelevant to this conversation the way you're talking about him. His entire existence in this thread is to prove you're a hypocritical herb who said regular season stats don't mean shit & now you're posting them. End of story there.
2. LOL, you serious? Why compare to two when they lost & had no one? Why not compare the two when they won (what you said was more important) & had to be apart of a team instead of just pointless scoring & losing? Compare them at their CHAMPIONSHIP level & MJ doesn't compare.
3. In 08-09 the Lakers averaged 107 PPG, in 90-91, the Bulls averaged 110 PPG. That's not even a difference worth mentioning. It doesn't matter what the league is scoring per game, both teams have 48 minutes to score as many points as they can & as far as those numbers go, it's not even a dramatic difference, just more proof this stat means absolutely nothing. 26.8 PPG for Kobe that 08-09 with a ring. MJ in 90-91? 31.5, with a ring. Scoring roughly the same amount of PPG, MJ just scored more because he's better.
4. As for Shaq & Kobe, it was more or less just to continue your proof of being a hypocrite. Because you've changed your story on here so many times to fit the fight you're arguing. You literally throw everything you've ever said out & state new things everytime for a new argument.
You can follow up with personal shots because you're insecure about how wrong you are, but you're DEAD wrong.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on June 30, 2011, 09:58:22 AM ---LOL, more & more personal shots with nothing to actually defend your point here.
1. You don't need to talk about LeBron anymore, he's irrelevant to this conversation the way you're talking about him. His entire existence in this thread is to prove you're a hypocritical herb who said regular season stats don't mean shit & now you're posting them. End of story there.
2. LOL, you serious? Why compare to two when they lost & had no one? Why not compare the two when they won (what you said was more important) & had to be apart of a team instead of just pointless scoring & losing? Compare them at their CHAMPIONSHIP level & MJ doesn't compare.
3. In 08-09 the Lakers averaged 107 PPG, in 90-91, the Bulls averaged 110 PPG. That's not even a difference worth mentioning. It doesn't matter what the league is scoring per game, both teams have 48 minutes to score as many points as they can & as far as those numbers go, it's not even a dramatic difference, just more proof this stat means absolutely nothing. 26.8 PPG for Kobe that 08-09 with a ring. MJ in 90-91? 31.5, with a ring. Scoring roughly the same amount of PPG, MJ just scored more because he's better.
4. As for Shaq & Kobe, it was more or less just to continue your proof of being a hypocrite. Because you've changed your story on here so many times to fit the fight you're arguing. You literally throw everything you've ever said out & state new things everytime for a new argument.
You can follow up with personal shots because you're insecure about how wrong you are, but you're DEAD wrong.
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1.again, ur too dumb to get the point i'm making. regular season stats are irrelevant when u haven't won shit and have yet to prove that you can lead a team to the ultimate goal, dumbillitary. try to actually understand what i'm sayin here, instead of just bein a brainless dumbshit who just argues to come out on top instead of to make sense of shit.
2.why limit ourselves, dumbfuck? why can we only compare Jordan and Kobe when they won?? are u really that close-minded that it offends u when people compare the seasons where they had to carry most the load for their team? i do compare their winning seasons, but along with that, i also compare their younger years and their years where they had 2 overcompensate. I COMPARE THEIR WHOLE CAREER, ITS NOT 1 OR THE OTHER, ur such a fucking retard, and if u dont get why, i feel sorry for ya mama.
3.what does this even have 2 do with anything? regardless of what ur sayin, players scored more in the 80's, dumb shit...a lot more. my original point still stands, and nothing u just said has changed that. ur just arguing math and proven statistics for the sake of winning the argument, cuz ur as dumb as a piece of shit that missed the toilet bowl.
4.i never changed anything, dumbfuck...my stance on kobe and shaq has been the same from day 1. both were superstars and amongst the greatest players ever. together, they formed the greatest duo ever. without the other, neither player woulda threepeated. never once did i claim otherwise, u dumb fuck dipshit...
now, spew some more retarded ass nonsense, i love hearin what dumbass shit ur moronic ass always comes up with to feel like ur winnin a debate..."you're insecure about being wrong"...about what, idiot? stats cant be wrong, dumbfaggotfuck. i would slap the shit out of u if u for bein so dumb if u ever argued this dumbass shit to my face. on everything, aaron.
LooN3y:
--- Quote from: teecee on June 27, 2011, 02:14:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 26, 2011, 11:51:50 PM ---Some of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.
Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.
Or, to put it another way:
MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618
Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606
Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.
When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.
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Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJ
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what do u mean by efficient, i hope ur not talking about FG percentage. kobe is more of a shooter thus having a lower fg %
Sccit:
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 30, 2011, 08:16:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on June 27, 2011, 02:14:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on June 26, 2011, 11:51:50 PM ---Some of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.
Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.
Or, to put it another way:
MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618
Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606
Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.
When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.
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Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJ
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what do u mean by efficient, i hope ur not talking about FG percentage. kobe is more of a shooter thus having a lower fg %
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yup...jordan couldn't beat u in as many ways as kobe could, no one will argue this......
shaq shits on jordan in terms of "efficiency"..shaq=GOAT, according to the theory jordan lovers use to discredit kobe in the kobe-jordan debate. smh.
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