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Beat making is most important element in my opinion. I mean if the melodies are shitty or don't have a harmony.. no amount of mixing or "producing" will make it sound good. That's all there is to it...
Quote from: NIKCC on August 01, 2011, 05:49:45 PMLike I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.Dre is takin' credit for mixing because that's what he did. It's simple as that.
Like I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.
Quote from: NIKCC on August 01, 2011, 05:49:45 PMQuote from: SPICE NONE on August 01, 2011, 04:46:07 PMQuote from: NIKCC on August 01, 2011, 04:13:42 PMQuote from: SPICE NONE on August 01, 2011, 03:04:52 PMDead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.I don't like Dre's recent LEAKS (with the exception of "Topless"), but Khalil cannot perfect a sound like Dre. Most of the leaks we got were supposedly produced by Khalil, and they sound too pop influenced. You can tell those songs are incomplete, though, so we never heard them the way Dre intended us to hear them. Only "Kush" was released with Dre's finishing touches, and that beat shits on anything Khalil can do without the help of Dre...nowadays, almost anyone can make a beat that bumps, but i haven't heard any of these producers actually produce a beat that sounds crisp+clean and can bump like a Dre production. DJ Quik is up there, but those 2 stand alone. After "Detox" is released, we can have this discussion, but as of now, Dre has not released enough finished material to be compared to Khalil currently, so while Khalil might have him beat in quantity, he aint even close in quality.What songs has Dre "perfected" in recent years? Kush was produced by Khalil. Check. "PRODUCED" by Khalil. And that's the ONLY song from Dre people on here were remotely feeling. Where are these Dre productions to prove he's even relevant? Like name even one. Quality-wise, Khalil songs >>> Dre songs, any idiot can see that. :Here's a Khalil production from this year that needs zero help being perfected. : Here's a song that bangs harder than anything Dre produced during that timeYou're just in denial.Like I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.lmao so now you're that desperate to have to guess at Dre productions when it was clearly credited to someone else. Your fanboyism is amazing. Why would you credit it to dr dre when everything else says otherwise? Because it sounds like a dre beat? You do realize that Khalil made the beat specifically for dre right?As far the songs I've posted not being on the level of Dre's classics. Definitely not. Dre in his prime was damn near untouchable, definitely not by Khalil. But Dre's last classic was over 10 years ago. Again, the topic is who is the better producer today. Everyone falls off, and what Dre has done in the past few years shows us exactly that. He's not close to the producer he once was. I don't even put Khalil in the top 10 producers today, but he's definitely putting out better productions than dre is.
Quote from: SPICE NONE on August 01, 2011, 04:46:07 PMQuote from: NIKCC on August 01, 2011, 04:13:42 PMQuote from: SPICE NONE on August 01, 2011, 03:04:52 PMDead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.I don't like Dre's recent LEAKS (with the exception of "Topless"), but Khalil cannot perfect a sound like Dre. Most of the leaks we got were supposedly produced by Khalil, and they sound too pop influenced. You can tell those songs are incomplete, though, so we never heard them the way Dre intended us to hear them. Only "Kush" was released with Dre's finishing touches, and that beat shits on anything Khalil can do without the help of Dre...nowadays, almost anyone can make a beat that bumps, but i haven't heard any of these producers actually produce a beat that sounds crisp+clean and can bump like a Dre production. DJ Quik is up there, but those 2 stand alone. After "Detox" is released, we can have this discussion, but as of now, Dre has not released enough finished material to be compared to Khalil currently, so while Khalil might have him beat in quantity, he aint even close in quality.What songs has Dre "perfected" in recent years? Kush was produced by Khalil. Check. "PRODUCED" by Khalil. And that's the ONLY song from Dre people on here were remotely feeling. Where are these Dre productions to prove he's even relevant? Like name even one. Quality-wise, Khalil songs >>> Dre songs, any idiot can see that. :Here's a Khalil production from this year that needs zero help being perfected. : Here's a song that bangs harder than anything Dre produced during that timeYou're just in denial.Like I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.
Quote from: NIKCC on August 01, 2011, 04:13:42 PMQuote from: SPICE NONE on August 01, 2011, 03:04:52 PMDead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.I don't like Dre's recent LEAKS (with the exception of "Topless"), but Khalil cannot perfect a sound like Dre. Most of the leaks we got were supposedly produced by Khalil, and they sound too pop influenced. You can tell those songs are incomplete, though, so we never heard them the way Dre intended us to hear them. Only "Kush" was released with Dre's finishing touches, and that beat shits on anything Khalil can do without the help of Dre...nowadays, almost anyone can make a beat that bumps, but i haven't heard any of these producers actually produce a beat that sounds crisp+clean and can bump like a Dre production. DJ Quik is up there, but those 2 stand alone. After "Detox" is released, we can have this discussion, but as of now, Dre has not released enough finished material to be compared to Khalil currently, so while Khalil might have him beat in quantity, he aint even close in quality.What songs has Dre "perfected" in recent years? Kush was produced by Khalil. Check. "PRODUCED" by Khalil. And that's the ONLY song from Dre people on here were remotely feeling. Where are these Dre productions to prove he's even relevant? Like name even one. Quality-wise, Khalil songs >>> Dre songs, any idiot can see that. :Here's a Khalil production from this year that needs zero help being perfected. : Here's a song that bangs harder than anything Dre produced during that timeYou're just in denial.
Quote from: SPICE NONE on August 01, 2011, 03:04:52 PMDead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.I don't like Dre's recent LEAKS (with the exception of "Topless"), but Khalil cannot perfect a sound like Dre. Most of the leaks we got were supposedly produced by Khalil, and they sound too pop influenced. You can tell those songs are incomplete, though, so we never heard them the way Dre intended us to hear them. Only "Kush" was released with Dre's finishing touches, and that beat shits on anything Khalil can do without the help of Dre...nowadays, almost anyone can make a beat that bumps, but i haven't heard any of these producers actually produce a beat that sounds crisp+clean and can bump like a Dre production. DJ Quik is up there, but those 2 stand alone. After "Detox" is released, we can have this discussion, but as of now, Dre has not released enough finished material to be compared to Khalil currently, so while Khalil might have him beat in quantity, he aint even close in quality.
Dead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.
Quote from: Black Male on July 31, 2011, 05:48:12 AMDon't think anyone can deny dres skills as an overal producer as far as mixing, mastering, overseeing and making the product sound good. But when it comes to beat making Khalil > dre easy...Has Dre ever really been a beatmaker though? Can anyone name beats he's done entirely on his own?
Don't think anyone can deny dres skills as an overal producer as far as mixing, mastering, overseeing and making the product sound good. But when it comes to beat making Khalil > dre easy...
Dre turns mediocre beats into great ones? Lol where is there any proof of this? Let me hear a wack beat that Dre made dope.
No one even gon mention "Da Shit", that tracks underrated. The beat, the vocals, the screams and Games flow But thats quite old and I aint really been feelin Khalil's recent shit.
Anyway, khalil is pure dope and brings a new sound to the game, yes it IS a new sound. But still, he aint on that relapse level for exemple.No one can f**k with relapse' production, its insanely brillant.
Quote from: Aladin on August 01, 2011, 03:30:46 AMQuote from: SPICE NONE on July 31, 2011, 10:03:10 PMthe thread topic was who is the better producer todayWell if we look at contemporary producers, You just cannot pick a timeframe and compare it to another contemporary producer.Because if we have to take into consideration the bagage these producers have.Even Dre in his “prime-period” had records out that in my opinion where not my taste.Just 2 name an view:- “NWA” – Hello- “NWA” feat Snoop – Chin Check- The Firm - Warren G – Lookin at youThose NWA reboots where a Joke, compared 2 old school NWA.But that is why he is so good, he experimented with sounds and sometimes it is your taste: think of the first time you heard Still DRE or nuthing but a G thing.And sometimes it is a miss.Anywayz, I stil think Dr Dre is on a level all these one-Hitt wonders will have 2 dream off.Comparing Khalil, is like Comparing a City-Major 2 a President. And saying you dont have 2 look at their track record, but what he did for my city.It is just ridiculous.Peace out.
Quote from: SPICE NONE on July 31, 2011, 10:03:10 PMthe thread topic was who is the better producer todayWell if we look at contemporary producers, You just cannot pick a timeframe and compare it to another contemporary producer.Because if we have to take into consideration the bagage these producers have.Even Dre in his “prime-period” had records out that in my opinion where not my taste.Just 2 name an view:- “NWA” – Hello- “NWA” feat Snoop – Chin Check- The Firm - Warren G – Lookin at youThose NWA reboots where a Joke, compared 2 old school NWA.But that is why he is so good, he experimented with sounds and sometimes it is your taste: think of the first time you heard Still DRE or nuthing but a G thing.And sometimes it is a miss.Anywayz, I stil think Dr Dre is on a level all these one-Hitt wonders will have 2 dream off.Comparing Khalil, is like Comparing a City-Major 2 a President. And saying you dont have 2 look at their track record, but what he did for my city.It is just ridiculous.Peace out.
the thread topic was who is the better producer today
alot of better beatmakres than Dre --- J Dilla, Khalil, etc etcbut as far as producing "songs", Dres the best there is, period
Quote from: Okka on August 01, 2011, 07:29:48 PMQuote from: NIKCC on August 01, 2011, 05:49:45 PMLike I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.Dre is takin' credit for mixing because that's what he did. It's simple as that.producers will come to Dre with skeleton beats and concepts, and he will put his touches on it and make it his own. he's always been doin this, only back in the day he would actually take credit as the main producer (like what Bad Azz said)...Nowadays, he's giving the bulk of the credit to his right-hand man. still, u cant fool the ear...a dre beat is as recognizable as sinatra's voice. i will forever consider "respect" a dre beat, just like i will always consider "kush" a dre beat. i dont buy the mixing bullshit...if those tracks are not produced by dre, neither are a bulk of his classics.
To Dre's defense, he's always been characterized as a producer in the classical sense. While he does all the drum programming, Dre doesn't play any instruments. Instead, he works with and directs musicians who then translate his vision. On The Chronic 2001, Dre collaborated with producers/musicians Mel-Man, Scott Storch and Mike Elizondo - all of which received credit for their work. While Dre may not lay the string arrangement or piano keys to a beat, he's still arranging and directing the song.
dre is a producer in the same sense that puff daddy used to produce and has won mad producer of the decade awards and shit back in the 90s.