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Quote from: samutahjazz on August 05, 2011, 12:24:04 AMQuote from: SPICE TWO on August 04, 2011, 11:32:30 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on August 04, 2011, 10:08:50 PMQuote from: bouli77 on August 04, 2011, 03:47:02 AM He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums. No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor. I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better. there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables. LOL...forget it. this guy is a lost cause. he's tryna argue that DOC - No One Can Do It Better is not a west coast album lmao.
Quote from: SPICE TWO on August 04, 2011, 11:32:30 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on August 04, 2011, 10:08:50 PMQuote from: bouli77 on August 04, 2011, 03:47:02 AM He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums. No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor. I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better. there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables.
Quote from: Jimmy H. on August 04, 2011, 10:08:50 PMQuote from: bouli77 on August 04, 2011, 03:47:02 AM He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums. No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor. I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better.
Quote from: bouli77 on August 04, 2011, 03:47:02 AM He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums. No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor.
He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums.
Quote from: NIKCC on August 05, 2011, 01:54:29 AMQuote from: samutahjazz on August 05, 2011, 12:24:04 AMQuote from: SPICE TWO on August 04, 2011, 11:32:30 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on August 04, 2011, 10:08:50 PMQuote from: bouli77 on August 04, 2011, 03:47:02 AM He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums. No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor. I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better. there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables. LOL...forget it. this guy is a lost cause. he's tryna argue that DOC - No One Can Do It Better is not a west coast album lmao.The album was by a rapper from the south. This thread even links to an article that calls him a Dallas rapper. He currently lives in Dallas and has for most of his life.
the muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxs
Quote from: Spice 2 seez the euro in you on August 05, 2011, 02:15:39 AMQuote from: NIKCC on August 05, 2011, 01:54:29 AMQuote from: samutahjazz on August 05, 2011, 12:24:04 AMQuote from: SPICE TWO on August 04, 2011, 11:32:30 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on August 04, 2011, 10:08:50 PMQuote from: bouli77 on August 04, 2011, 03:47:02 AM He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums. No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor. I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better. there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables. LOL...forget it. this guy is a lost cause. he's tryna argue that DOC - No One Can Do It Better is not a west coast album lmao.The album was by a rapper from the south. This thread even links to an article that calls him a Dallas rapper. He currently lives in Dallas and has for most of his life. WTF DOES THAT MATTER. 2Pac was from New York, his rap name was MC New York when he started rappin and he didn't spend most of his rap career in LA..."No One Can Do It Better" is considered a westcoast landmark by anyone with sense in their brain......the muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxspull ur head out ur fuckin ass
Big L isn't one of the greats.
Quote from: Spice 2 seez the euro in you on August 04, 2011, 10:42:52 AMBig L isn't one of the greats. LOL, Big L is widely regarded as one of the greatest MCs, how can you not know that
right, Spiggety Spice. i agree on the white/internet-backpacker hiphopfanbase-part,, most of em r responsible for the exaggerated Big L-hype.. but the thing is,,,a potential classic album, wont get the stamp-of-aproval till yrs later.. thats the thing wit the word "classic". "Godfather" wasnt considered a classic when it came out, just a good movie.same thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)
same thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)
Quote from: Michael Madsen on August 05, 2011, 01:33:36 PMsame thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)If Big L was alive he'd be yet another underappreciated lyricist who never made it (aka joined Slaughterhouse)
Quote from: NIKCC on August 05, 2011, 02:27:46 AMthe muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxslol, that ain't a official song, it's a remix someone made up.Go look up D.O.C. "The Shit" from his album "Deuce".To me "No One Can Do It Better" is the best album of all time, period. But it doesn't sound very "westcoast" to me, even tho' the full thing is produced by Dre and therefore it could still be considered "WestCoast" to me.. His second album "Helter Skelter" on the other hand got a very "westcoast g-funk" sound on the whole thing.. even tho' hardly anybody from the West worked on it.. both classic albums tho'.
Quote from: NIKCC on August 05, 2011, 02:27:46 AMQuote from: Spice 2 seez the euro in you on August 05, 2011, 02:15:39 AMQuote from: NIKCC on August 05, 2011, 01:54:29 AMQuote from: samutahjazz on August 05, 2011, 12:24:04 AMQuote from: SPICE TWO on August 04, 2011, 11:32:30 PMQuote from: Jimmy H. on August 04, 2011, 10:08:50 PMQuote from: bouli77 on August 04, 2011, 03:47:02 AM He's a pioneer and all but the lyrics in Doggystyle or 2001 (which he most of the time oversaw, not really wrote) are clearly the weakest aspects of those albums. No, they are not. We seem to be living in this new world of faux-sophistication where lyrics have to be complex and overly-intellectual to be considered valid of holding weight. Simple can be just as effective. Great writing, at its core, is about creating something that reasonates. If you can create a memorable song with basic words and rhyme patterns, that is not weak lyricism. If anything I think a true artist is one that stays in the moment, instead of trying to come off clever with a witty metaphor. I'd agree with most of this. But I also think a lot of songs have been carried by their beats. The lyrics on Doggystyle were memorable because look how many of Snoop's quotables came out of that. But I can't say the same for 2001. I believe you could have replaced Kurupt's "bitch is a bitch" rhymes with better lyrics, or given Dre better lyrics and that would have made the album even better. there are entire songs on 2001 that are quotables. LOL...forget it. this guy is a lost cause. he's tryna argue that DOC - No One Can Do It Better is not a west coast album lmao.The album was by a rapper from the south. This thread even links to an article that calls him a Dallas rapper. He currently lives in Dallas and has for most of his life. WTF DOES THAT MATTER. 2Pac was from New York, his rap name was MC New York when he started rappin and he didn't spend most of his rap career in LA..."No One Can Do It Better" is considered a westcoast landmark by anyone with sense in their brain......the muthafucka has a song called "West Coast":http://www.youtube.com/v/NFMwcuy0Fxspull ur head out ur fuckin assPac moved to Cali as a teenager. It was his home. He repped it in his music. Who are you to tell the man he's not west coast when he says so himself?The D.O.C. never made Cali his home. He never repped it. And like the dude said, that's not even a real song. LOL. He came out to Cali to fuck with Dre. His other albums weren't even made in Cali because he had returned home by then.Dre producing No One Can Do It Better doesn't make it west coast unless the Bomb Squad producing Ice Cube's album in NY makes it east coast. You guys are so obsessed with everything associated with Dre and Death Row that you've lost your common sense.
Quote from: Spice 2 seez the euro in you on August 05, 2011, 03:22:41 PMQuote from: Michael Madsen on August 05, 2011, 01:33:36 PMsame thing wit "Lifestyles of da poor & dangerouz".. it was a great album from the get-go, and it became a calssic a few yrs later (by that time, Big L had died,, n if duke wouldve been alive later it still would be classic)If Big L was alive he'd be yet another underappreciated lyricist who never made it (aka joined Slaughterhouse)Well he signed a deal with Jay-Z on Rocafella just before he died, so I doubt he would have 'never made it'. He was on the verge of making it when he was murdered.