BAY AREA BEEF!! : Messy Marv Explains Too $hort Beef

[Hoodlum204]

California is known for its earthquakes  and once again the grounds are shaking in the Bay Area. Longtime independent San Francisco rapper Messy Marv has been the center of controversy as of late, by making his grievances against Oakland rap legend Too $hort well known.


In turn, Short-Dog has released his own statements to the media indicating that he has no clue as to why Messy Marv has a problem with him. With a lot of questions in the air, Messy Marv contacted AllHipHop.com to talk about the situation so the fans can get a better idea of what's going on.


Messy Marv is also offering his new song “Class of '84 (F*** Too $hort)” for free download:http://www.zshare.net/audio/9354656571e55f0f/  


Can these two respected Bay Area artists work out their differences? We hope so. But as it stands right now things are just heating up like a hot California summer day.  


AllHipHop.com: Can you tell us what's going on between yourself and Too $hort? I heard about some Twitter statements that you made which caused Short to release a statement. And now there's even a new diss song that's been released.  


Messy Marv: First and foremost – F*** Too $hort! The man has no respect for the Bay Area or any other man. His platinum plaques have gone to his head and I'm here to check him about it since nobody else will. I'm the voice of a million men in the Bay right now that didn't have the nuts to speak up on this Bay Area topic. Everybody in the Bay has no platform but for themselves. We are like an industry within ourselves. You have the heavyweights and then you have the one's who don't have the forefront. The heavyweights won't reach back and look out for anybody. They're saying, “Bay Area this and Bay Area that” but nobody is getting any recognition from the heavyweights. That's where I come in. I feel like I have a lot more room to speak because me and Too $hort sat down personally years ago when we tried to bring the Bay Area to the forefront – with everybody coming together. I presented myself respectfully and I had the biggest catalog at the time as far as albums are concerned – and I brought all of that to the table – because that's how loyal I am to the Bay Area and how much respect I had for Too $hort. He couldn't pull the deal off.  


After that meeting I received a phone call from him that was very disrespectful – like I never sat down with this man and tried to come to some kind of agreement for this Bay Area unity movement.  


AllHipHop.com: What did he say to disrespect you in that phone call?


Messy Marv: I don't know if the n**** was drunk but he said something to me that was real disrespectful. I laughed in his face when he said it.  


AllHipHop.com: How long ago was this?


Messy Marv: This was a couple of years back. This man has a real ego problem. He's selfish, greedy  and he's old as f***. Old people are set in their ways. He says the word “we” a lot. I say the word, “me.” I don't know why Too $hort likes to say the word “we” a lot instead of saying the word “him.” So after he said something disrespectful to me and I laughed in his face, he passed the phone off to somebody else. It was just a whole f****t a** game that these n****s was playing. He mentioned the whole Bay was there meaning "Bay Area artist" and nobody was. I made some phone calls to the "Bay Area" artist he mentioned and everybody was like, "I don't know what that n**** talkin' bout." Some time had passed by and I thought to myself that I needed to ask him what the f*** did he mean by that. So I'm reaching out to different people that we both deal with. He never responded back. Recently I had a show in Reno with Bedda Weeda. He's from Oakland and I'm from Frisco. We were talking about the politics going on and I told him to get "Big Dog" on the line so I can know where his head is – so when we see each other we'll know where we're at. He didn't pick up his phone again. I said it was all good and knew how to get his attention. I reached out to him on Twitter and it wasn't about me threatening him or none of that. It was about me reaching out to Too $hort with facts and about a comment that he made that I didn't agree with. All of this sh*t was adding up and he finally responded – and it went from there.  
 
 


AllHipHop.com: Too $hort released a statement a few days ago which said that you two had a 20 to 30 minute conversation and everything was cool.  


Messy Marv: Let me tell you something, Too $hort is fake as f***. When he released that statement, I didn't even get a chance to read it but the phone conversation definitely wasn't 20 minutes. It was all just me asking what the f*** is wrong with him. He said that he had no idea that I was feeling this way and that it was a good thing that I called him. The n**** started laughing like it was funny or some sh*t. He started using that word “we” again. To make a long story short, we put that sh*t in the air. He said something to me and I told him,“Whatever you want to do, we can do it and anybody has the power to do something ignorant.” Its  n****s that love me and Too $hort, right or wrong. Why would I get another man involved for me - to be riding on some sh*t that I can't stand up and account for myself? And that's some sh*t that he don't know how to do. At the end of the conversation it was a little shaky but I just said, “F*** it.” So I started taking my comments down from my page and the n**** disregarded it. He left his sh*t on his page and did that little interview and talked like I was some fake a** n****. So I turned right around and texted him. I told him, “You don't disrespect me bruh.” He said, "I respect you 100%" and I told him that he didn't.  


The truth behind the song “Class of 84” turned this in to a media frenzy. Now he knows how powerful and real I am as a person. F*** all of this rap sh*t. I'm a person. I'm a man. He's got a problem with being a man. To top it all off, he doesn't do sh*t for anybody in the Bay Area. With all of this sh*t building up, you can imagine how I felt. I'm like, “F*** that n****.” He ain't doing anything for anybody in the Bay and yet he's got songs with everybody else in the nation. He's screaming “Bay area” but what is he doing for the Bay Area? I feel like I've got room to speak on this because I've sat down with the man on some business sh*t and offered to bring the Bay together and he couldn't pull the deal off, then years later disregarded it – all while screaming that he's got love for me the Bay Area.  


AllHipHop.com: At the start of you Class of 84 song, you have an audio clip of Too $hort claiming to be from Los Angeles.  


Messy Marv: I don't know where Too $hort is from. Nobody knows where that n**** is from. I'm a real Bay n****. I'm a Fillmore n**** from San Francisco, CA.  


AllHipHop.com: In his statement he said that you might be mad about his verse in 40 Glocc's “Welcome to California” song where he says that there's no Crips or Bloods in the Bay. Is there any truth to that?


Messy Marv: I never mentioned that to Too $hort so maybe he felt like he shouldn't have said that – given that I represent what I represent. Maybe he feels guilty about saying that. He brought it up. I didn't.  


AllHipHop.com: Bay area rapper JT the Bigga Figga jumped in to this and released a diss song at you a few days ago called “Take 1.” Did you hear that song?


Messy Marv: I don't know who JT the Bigga Figga is. If he's got a diss song about me, then go ahead and download it.  


AllHipHop.com: You're not even aware of him?


Messy Marv: I don't know who he is. I guess he's just looking for some recognition in this verbal disagreement between Too $hort and myself. Whoever the f*** he is, he's just jumping on the bandwagon all on my d*** right now. Go ahead and download it and listen to it.  


AllHipHop.com: I thought maybe you knew who he was since he's from Frisco too and he's put out quite a few albums.  


Messy Marv: I don't know who he is and the way this sh*t is looking, there's probably going to be a lot of nobody-a** n****s taking shots for publicity. I'm not mad at that. It's a competition industry. Hip-Hop has been like that for years and years to come. I definitely won't be giving anybody recognition that hasn't worked for it. As far as this song towards me, download that sh*t. I'm not mad.  


AllHipHop.com: It's been pretty quiet in the Bay and I don't mean that in a bad sense. It seems like you are shaking things up and turning it back in the Wild Wild West.  


Messy Marv: It's always been the Wild Wild West. But as for it being quiet, it never would've been quiet if someone took the initiative to reach back and put the spotlight back on the Bay Area instead of just themselves. That's part of my argument with Too $hort. He uses the Bay for all of the wrong reasons. When I say that, with all due respect, Short's been rapping for a very long time. With all due respect to those albums, there are not really any Bay n****s that's on them – just The Dangerous Crew and that sh*t is old as f***. There's a lot of up-in-coming young talent in the Bay area that have no resources. Then we have this fake a** motherf***** in the forefront doing all of these songs with all of these other people saying, “The Bay Area this and the Bay Area that.” All eyes are on him and we are quiet as f*** down here, fighting for some f***ing record sales to feed our kids and get some f***ing recognition. So can he really say he paved the way?


Too $hort doesn't owe anything to anybody and I must say that. But why shout the Bay Area when you aren't helping anybody from the f***ing Bay Area? Me myself? I've been in this for 17 years and I've never had a record deal in my life. I've sold Gold independently. I pulled a Gold record out of my a**. In this process I have looked out for up-in-coming talent from Oakland, San Francisco, Vallejo and other cities across the nation. I'm talking about Compilation after Compilation – using my recognition and street credibility to help put these other artists on. Here you have this motherf***** with all of this publicity and resources and he doesn't do sh*t!          


AllHipHop.com: A similar situation happened in Los Angeles. A short while back, the young up-in-coming artists were speaking out against the established stars for some of the reasons that you state. Were you aware of that?


Messy Marv: Yeah, I was aware of it. The West Coast is at an all-time low right now just because of that situation – whether it's Los Angeles or The Bay. Everybody is ego-trippin'. Then on top of that, everybody is a C.E.O. People's ego's are getting in the way. Then you've got n****s like me that get out here and grind. I take my recognition and I stay in their faces and make a statement independently. If we don't come together as a Coast, then things are just going to stay the same way. The Too $horts and other forefront artists should hand-pick a few people to do songs with and then those people can reach back to new artists and so forth. There is no unity whatsoever and don't let anybody fool you by telling you different.  
 


AllHipHop.com: Aside from this verbal disagreement, what else do you have going on?


Messy Marv: I have one of the top-selling T-Shirts on the West Coast and in the Mid-West right now. My clothing-line Scalen Clothing just released this shirt and it's a top-seller. It's called “Square B*tches Can't Stand Me.” The video-gamers will be wearing it at the competitions. It took off real fast for me. Also I just shot the first video for my album, Kokaine Ballads Frum My S550. The album will be in stores August 23. The video is titled, “The Bay's Biggest Hypocrite.” I get on a personal level about myself speaking on Too $hort and my life and how he hasn't paved the way for me or done a mother****** thing. The video will be released on the same date. I also have an album that will release shortly after that one called "F*** Too $hort" - bananas! I just headlined my own tour which went through 18 cities called “The Wake'n Dey Cook Game Up Tour." It went good. I had an incident in Everett, WA that everybody is aware of. There's a video out where I'm on stage and I got my back turned. A Crip walks on stage and gives me a hug and pulls a sneaky move.


AllHipHop.com: I heard about that. Didn't you have your microphone taken away?


Messy Marv: Yeah he gives me a hug and snatches the mic out of my hand and gives it back to me. The media took that to some negative plateau like, “Messy Marv got his mic snatched. He's a punk.” (laughs) That just goes to show how the media is cut-throat. At the same time I made a video reply telling the people, “Hey. It happened. I didn't see him.” But this is not how to move. I'm with a 100 mother******* everybody seen it happened and allowed it to happen. I usually don't rock like that but that day I was rockin' like that, showing love to everybody that was with the n****s that was with me. It's the first incident that has happened in Messy Marv history. It could've been a lot worse. I could've gotten knocked out if it was that serious.  


AllHipHop.com: It's pretty hard to defend when you don't see it.  


Messy Marv: Exactly but I'm not using that as an excuse either. I totally fault myself for f****** with people that I shouldn't have been f****** with – just rockin' the way that I was rockin'. I never rock like that. I learned from it, moved on and now I move a lot different.  


AllHipHop.com: One last thing going back to Too $hort. Can this situation be resolved or is it past that point?


Messy Marv: Everything can be resolved and fixed. But like I said, this is personal. I'm standing on principle and I'm standing for every artist that's come out of the Bay Area that have never had an opportunity. Look at my history. Look at my track record. Look at what I've done with no platinum plaques, no major distribution and no major record deal. It's a verbal dispute. Ain't nothing happening behind sh*t so I don't want the media to make it seem like it is. If they turned that Everett, WA video in to something bad, you can imagine what they will do with this. I'm verbally saying, “F*** Too $hort.” and mean it. When I see him and he decides to run up on me, we gon' lock up and its gon' go down.            


TakenFrom: http://www.allhiphop.com/stories/features/archive/2011/08/16/22865261.aspx

[PhunkyDoob]

And the beefs on the West Coast continue as they become less and less relevant. Great!

[KC-HOODSTA]

too $hort been dissed for bein shady before

but messy marv is also a whiny azz nigga

[D1G1T4L]

How is he going to say he doesnt know who JT The Bigga figga is, when JT put San Quinn on the map pretty much

[Ghost Drebin]

How is he going to say he doesnt know who JT The Bigga figga is, when JT put San Quinn on the map pretty much

Anyone from the bay knows who JT is, he was trying to be a smart ass.  I like how he tried to play down the mike snatch....he ran like a track meet at the first mention of gun.

[bouli77]

How is he going to say he doesnt know who JT The Bigga figga is, when JT put San Quinn on the map pretty much

it's just a strategy for him to not let JT get exposure with his track... the interviewer is pretty shitty IMO he should have asked Mess about the dozen songs he's done with JT and his video Keep It on the DL where you see JT right next to him, or many other instances (game tight video, etc.)

boring interview anyways... you know it's not gonna be interesting when a rapper is here defending himself and being dishonest.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

 good read

duke had a few pointers, but he still came off as coked up tho
Short was never a Sean Combs/CEo type of artist, but he did put artists in the game.  -- The Pack and friggin Lil' B

[Sickaluffa]

Both are a joke beef seems to staged for publicity. Watch 2 months down the road they will do a song together

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

Beef are useless in 2011, there are so many ways to get exposure...

[Smackdog]

Too short needs to set up a studio for homeless artists out of the bay....that way he cant be accused of not giving back to his community.

[BOX5 the best poster on this site yell]

This equal seems quite sensitive lol and short been saying the bay lol, you young equals need to learn to channel that energy yell

[bouli77]

good read

duke had a few pointers, but he still came off as coked up tho
Short was never a Sean Combs/CEo type of artist, but he did put artists in the game.  -- The Pack and friggin Lil' B

too short also put Spice 1 in the game as well as rappin ron & ant didley dog.

Messy Marv contacted AllHipHop.com to talk about the situation so the fans can get a better idea of what's going on.

lmao mess is such a bi-polar attention whore, it's not even funny.

[HaHa]

When one irrelevant rapper disses another irrelevant rapper and nobody cares, did it really happen?  One is a fake blood, the other ran away to Atlanta a long time ago.  The Bay is sad.

[Sccit]

funny how no one realizes messy was already dissin short over a year ago....

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[MistaNova]

Their attempt at trying to grab attention will not work, this forum will never focus on a Bay area topic for more than 4 days...