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Quote from: Enigma on September 22, 2011, 01:38:17 AMI'm glad people are feeling the tracks - but you're missing the point. Phil was leaking OG tracks that ended up on Tha Realest's album that originally featured Twin on them months before his album release, totally killing the anticipation factor from what to expect with these tracks. It wasn't to share music, it was to receive credibility and notoriety on music forums.What you DON'T understand is sometimes artists don't own all of their music or have the rights to release music on their own. Labels fund the studio time, investors invest in a product, producers give beats that sometimes aren't paid for until a product is released on the market. These are just some of the factors as to why songs just can't be released at will like you think they can. It's different when it's a commercial artist leaking material - that material will get a particular producer noticed and thus helps the producer out in the long run. This is not the case with super underground artists like Twinz or Tha Realest who don't have a big buzz, but still command production that is similar to that of commercial artists. They don't have the luxury of leaking at will which is something you just have to accept. You can't name me too many unsigned artists who get the type of production Tha Realest gets on the regular.Twinz never advertised selling their music on MySpace like that, it was a typical case of Phil hitting up the artist privately to buy some "exclusives," hence the price was so high for the music. If Fredwreck were to browse this forum and see that someone bought one of his songs that he didn't get paid for or get money off royalties for, there could be a problem - but of course you guys never think about this side of things.It has nothing to do with hiding things - this is a BUSINESS.Dude - we ain't talking about Tha Realest album. We talking about TERROR TWINZ. Point blank is - G TWIN was selling this material by himself on his official myspace page. There was a direct link to his paypal account - you send 80$, his giving you the material. If I'm buying material directly from the artist I got clean conscience. If I'm buying material directly from the artist himself, I don't give a fuck if he payed for the beat, for mixing/mastering etc.That's not my problem - that's artist problem. I'm paying for the final product and I'm buying this shit str8 from the man himself. So the G Twin tracks ain't no type of "exclusive" ones. You can still buy them today - just holla @ Twin via his Myspace and he'll send you a message about it. You mentioned FredWreck - well, the "Blocked Locked Down" track was featured on their first album which was released 8 Years ago and it it still selling til this day via CDBaby, E-Bay etc. The second track is still featured on Twinz myspace so everybody can rip it if they want to - that's not TOP SECRET MATERIAL. They gave it to the public and that's it.If I'm going to a record shop to purchase a record of the artist I like, I don't give a fuck if the producers or studio engineers were payed for their work - that's not my business. Someone released a CD in a legal form and it something's not right with the paperwork, that's not the fans fault. LOLYou seem to offensive about this shit, so what about the world's greatest BOOTLEGING company of all time called FOR THE PEOPLE ENTERTAINMENT?! Did you told your friend Hyland that he should send the cash he got from those Death Row bootlegs back to WideAwake so they can pay all the producers, engineers, featured artists etc. that were creating the tracks he was selling for large amount of money? Yea, I know Realest got some small precent of those wack ass quality Death Row Dayz rip-off, but did you gave some cash to Kurt Kobane since he was producing some of the tracks featured there? Or Marvelouz Marv?And 2 x L O L at you still going @ Phil for those Realest leaks. Thank God he leaked tracks like "Ice Cold" OG cause without it he would never knew he got scammed the fuck out by FTP and your sorry ass. That "Ice Cold" OG is FAKE AS FUCK cause the real OG features Ambrosia, not EDI and even Realest said it himself in that Mob Life DVD. So quit trying to be an asshole and just shut the hell up stupid fuck.Realest can only thank you for the broke-up of his loyal fanbase and his #1 supporter - Phil, who did 100xtimes better job at keeping this mans name alive online than his fucked up "staff". Because of the bullshit, everyone pass out on this topic and we all moved on getting tired on being shitted on by his stupid ass crew.So it'd just be nice to see you post something that isn't in relation to you getting butthurted over any sentence mentioning Tha Realest or his former fan-base. That topis is dead - move on, just like we all did getting tired of your bullshit.
I'm glad people are feeling the tracks - but you're missing the point. Phil was leaking OG tracks that ended up on Tha Realest's album that originally featured Twin on them months before his album release, totally killing the anticipation factor from what to expect with these tracks. It wasn't to share music, it was to receive credibility and notoriety on music forums.What you DON'T understand is sometimes artists don't own all of their music or have the rights to release music on their own. Labels fund the studio time, investors invest in a product, producers give beats that sometimes aren't paid for until a product is released on the market. These are just some of the factors as to why songs just can't be released at will like you think they can. It's different when it's a commercial artist leaking material - that material will get a particular producer noticed and thus helps the producer out in the long run. This is not the case with super underground artists like Twinz or Tha Realest who don't have a big buzz, but still command production that is similar to that of commercial artists. They don't have the luxury of leaking at will which is something you just have to accept. You can't name me too many unsigned artists who get the type of production Tha Realest gets on the regular.Twinz never advertised selling their music on MySpace like that, it was a typical case of Phil hitting up the artist privately to buy some "exclusives," hence the price was so high for the music. If Fredwreck were to browse this forum and see that someone bought one of his songs that he didn't get paid for or get money off royalties for, there could be a problem - but of course you guys never think about this side of things.It has nothing to do with hiding things - this is a BUSINESS.
I'm glad people are feeling the tracks - but you're missing the point. Phil was leaking OG tracks that ended up on Tha Realest's album that originally featured Twin on them months before his album release, totally killing the anticipation factor from what to expect with these tracks.
And to follow up even further, Mietek, I'm not talking about Phil leaking Ice Kold or those recent leaks he did when he had his menstrual cycle. I'm referring to him leaking "Witness Tha Realest" with Fat Joe and Twin and "Mind of a Mad Man" with WC and Twin - 2 songs that he had bought from Twin, and 2 songs people were anticipating the most on his album. He leaked both of those tracks weeks before the album released (unmastered and totally not a fair indication of how the tracks sounded on the album), which totally killed anticipation people had for those songs leading up to the album. Defend him however you want, but I always thought that was very foul not only to Twin, but especially to Realest.
Mietek, you're fucking brainless. You still don't understand shit about the record game and you chose this outlet to call me out/diss me personally so fuck you first off.Second off, someone mentioned "I Swear," which is another Fredwreck track produced for the Twinz. This track was never released, and it's another case of Phil running his mouth bragging about the songs he has.What ftp did has nothing to do with me - I'm speaking up in this outlet because it involves artists I am associated with. The only ftp projects I participated in (Realest's releases), I know for a fact Realest was paid most of all profits made from those albums. I can understand dissing the 2nd volume, but the 1st volume? C'mon now, there's a whole lot of gems on there that none of you ungrateful clowns would have ever heard had that project never came out.You diss me and my involvement, but none of you fucks would even know who Terror Twinz were if it wasn't for ME offering Realest to flood his music 10 years ago on toogangta.net (at the time was one of the biggest hip hop sites on the net) when NOBODY was checking for him. The interest that sparked led to him getting a good website with a legit design, which eventually led to C-Bo's people emailing the website to get Realest on his album and thus leading to his affiliation with the Regime, expanding his affiliates in the industry and networking, and the rest is history. Where were you motherfuckers in 2001? Nobody was willing to give this guy a shot, and I willingly did it for years, for FREE. After Death Row, it was all but finished for this guy but his internet buzz rebuilt.Any pushbacks/label politics he had to deal with has absolutely nothing to do with his "webteam" - this just proves your ignorance time and time again to blame that kinda fault on a website team. It proves you know absolutely nothing about the record industry, no shock there.Just because you buy an album doesn't mean you have to leak tracks on YouTube - that's something that people with no life/too much time on their hands do. This was more about Phil sharing stuff that he bought from artists with other people (when he knows that's never part of the deal, yet he's done it EVERY single time). Go watch a Scott Steiner promo and next time don't jump in conversations and bring up points that you have absolutely no and/or limited knowledge about. You will be squashed every single time.I give you credit though Mietek, at least you speak intelligently. I can't say the same about the other fucks who chose to chime in this thread.
Quote from: Enigma on September 22, 2011, 04:53:20 PMAnd to follow up even further, Mietek, I'm not talking about Phil leaking Ice Kold or those recent leaks he did when he had his menstrual cycle. I'm referring to him leaking "Witness Tha Realest" with Fat Joe and Twin and "Mind of a Mad Man" with WC and Twin - 2 songs that he had bought from Twin, and 2 songs people were anticipating the most on his album. He leaked both of those tracks weeks before the album released (unmastered and totally not a fair indication of how the tracks sounded on the album), which totally killed anticipation people had for those songs leading up to the album. Defend him however you want, but I always thought that was very foul not only to Twin, but especially to Realest.Quote from: Enigma on September 22, 2011, 04:40:34 PMMietek, you're fucking brainless. You still don't understand shit about the record game and you chose this outlet to call me out/diss me personally so fuck you first off.Second off, someone mentioned "I Swear," which is another Fredwreck track produced for the Twinz. This track was never released, and it's another case of Phil running his mouth bragging about the songs he has.What ftp did has nothing to do with me - I'm speaking up in this outlet because it involves artists I am associated with. The only ftp projects I participated in (Realest's releases), I know for a fact Realest was paid most of all profits made from those albums. I can understand dissing the 2nd volume, but the 1st volume? C'mon now, there's a whole lot of gems on there that none of you ungrateful clowns would have ever heard had that project never came out.You diss me and my involvement, but none of you fucks would even know who Terror Twinz were if it wasn't for ME offering Realest to flood his music 10 years ago on toogangta.net (at the time was one of the biggest hip hop sites on the net) when NOBODY was checking for him. The interest that sparked led to him getting a good website with a legit design, which eventually led to C-Bo's people emailing the website to get Realest on his album and thus leading to his affiliation with the Regime, expanding his affiliates in the industry and networking, and the rest is history. Where were you motherfuckers in 2001? Nobody was willing to give this guy a shot, and I willingly did it for years, for FREE. After Death Row, it was all but finished for this guy but his internet buzz rebuilt.Any pushbacks/label politics he had to deal with has absolutely nothing to do with his "webteam" - this just proves your ignorance time and time again to blame that kinda fault on a website team. It proves you know absolutely nothing about the record industry, no shock there.Just because you buy an album doesn't mean you have to leak tracks on YouTube - that's something that people with no life/too much time on their hands do. This was more about Phil sharing stuff that he bought from artists with other people (when he knows that's never part of the deal, yet he's done it EVERY single time). Go watch a Scott Steiner promo and next time don't jump in conversations and bring up points that you have absolutely no and/or limited knowledge about. You will be squashed every single time.I give you credit though Mietek, at least you speak intelligently. I can't say the same about the other fucks who chose to chime in this thread.haha its pretty obvious by your little rant that your on your 'menstrual cycle' lolCal, when will you understand that any songs (apart from ones with Realest in) I got from Twinz myspace!? i didnt do a deal with him or contact him, I simply paid him through pay pal and got the 3 cds a few weeks later... these are/where songs he was selling willingly on his OWN Mypsace page.........He then PM'ed me on Mypsace asking who else i listen too and i said Realest, and he offered me tracks and threw them in the package with the other cds he sent me......As for leaking songs from WTR months or weeks (which ever you decide it to be lol) is BS. i only shared muzik i got with a select few which would not of hurt album sales one single bit........I never leaked tracks from WTR to the whole community until way after releaseEnd of the day Cal your pissed cuz i released these Realest tracks and now you cant re-sell them to another fan nor can FTP.Oh and you say you cant diss the first volume of DR Dayz?........ Well although it was a good release, i will diss it cuz the Daz track you and Hyland sold everyone is cut up! missing another Realest verse............oh was this the track you where gonna try and sell me? man you and Hyland are a joke.....not one single person will ever have any respect for Realest's 'web team' after everything you have said about all this shit........And a artist with no online respect is doomed,fact.So wined your neck in and sit the fuck down PS. you can stop kiss assin Gtwin, cuz he hates you
Taking the peaceful route - I can respect that. Just know why I say the things I say. You know how I feel about how certain things ended up and I know how you feel how certain things ended up. The deterioration in our communication came from music - and it just lights a fire under me at times when I see/hear that you send these songs to people.I will admit I was the first one to throw darts in this thread. Other people chose to chime in so I had to defend myself as it was 3 on 1. I won't speak on this anymore, we'll keep it at music. Can't be putting this much energy into people I don't even know...
Quote from: Enigma on September 23, 2011, 12:43:56 AMTaking the peaceful route - I can respect that. Just know why I say the things I say. You know how I feel about how certain things ended up and I know how you feel how certain things ended up. The deterioration in our communication came from music - and it just lights a fire under me at times when I see/hear that you send these songs to people.I will admit I was the first one to throw darts in this thread. Other people chose to chime in so I had to defend myself as it was 3 on 1. I won't speak on this anymore, we'll keep it at music. Can't be putting this much energy into people I don't even know...Speaking on music. Whats the realest been UP 2? Many people have been asking and ur probably the only 1 that knows anything.Hows that remember my name coming along.
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