2pac Vs Eminem ESPN 2012 FINAL MC BRACKET...Thoughts?

[the synthesis]

It seems Em and Pac made the final and Em is leading by a few %.....

Em stans are saying that there idol is better than WU, Pac, NWA, BIGGY, Jay and Nas put together, they goin hard for the boy in the discussion

Pac needs a few VVotes


http://espn.go.com/espnradio/bracket?id=7620069

[Chamillitary Click]

I feel like every single bracket ever comes down to Em vs. Pac.

[Blasphemy (A)]

I feel like every single bracket ever comes down to Em vs. Pac.

Strangely I was gonna agree that it should, but then I'm thinking about it and wouldn't it be better if it was Biggie/Em lyrically they are technically above 2pac. I mean what tupac perfected was his portray of imagery over the mic. But he still is a inferior Lyricist.

Also I'm talking 2000 Eminem, not this I'm NOt afraid to make a radio friendly track pussy.


lol @ the stans saying he better then all them, that's about as stupid as you can get. Ems entire style hell none of those dudes style wouldn't of existed if it weren't for N.W.A, and then N.W.A wouldn't of existed if it wasn't for Ice T, who's style (and track 6 in tha Mornin) wouldn't of existed if it wasn't for schoolly D. Ice T's track was infact a Parody of Schoollys Track "P.S.K. What does it mean" lot of west music usually was. 


Besides Eminems whole controversy angle came during Columbine/9/11 when the media was trash talking anything that included violence. Hollywood Critics had given low reviews to very good movies around that time, even games took a hit. Music by far took the greatest, rock, rap mostly (which isn't amazing because Rap is still the least listened to sub-genre in the over all music industry).

I Think artist should only be compared to they  Skill. Because their is artist who impacted the game, but weren't that lyrical on the mic. 

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

I feel like every single bracket ever comes down to Em vs. Pac.

Strangely I was gonna agree that it should, but then I'm thinking about it and wouldn't it be better if it was Biggie/Em lyrically they are technically above 2pac. I mean what tupac perfected was his portray of imagery over the mic. But he still is a inferior Lyricist.

Also I'm talking 2000 Eminem, not this I'm NOt afraid to make a radio friendly track pussy.


lol @ the stans saying he better then all them, that's about as stupid as you can get. Ems entire style hell none of those dudes style wouldn't of existed if it weren't for N.W.A, and then N.W.A wouldn't of existed if it wasn't for Ice T, who's style (and track 6 in tha Mornin) wouldn't of existed if it wasn't for schoolly D. Ice T's track was infact a Parody of Schoollys Track "P.S.K. What does it mean" lot of west music usually was.  


Besides Eminems whole controversy angle came during Columbine/9/11 when the media was trash talking anything that included violence. Hollywood Critics had given low reviews to very good movies around that time, even games took a hit. Music by far took the greatest, rock, rap mostly (which isn't amazing because Rap is still the least listened to sub-genre in the over all music industry).

I Think artist should only be compared to they  Skill. Because their is artist who impacted the game, but weren't that lyrical on the mic.  

imo 2Pac was more of a lyricist than Biggie. What Biggie excelled at was flow.

Lets be real though. Is it any surprise the last two artists are also the ones with the biggest stanbase?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

imo 2Pac was more of a lyricist than Biggie. What Biggie excelled at was flow.

The problem is that people get the terms mixed up though, and the rappers don't help at all.  On the Thug Angel DVD, you had Mopreme saying that Pac was "lyrical" with Shock G saying that Biggie had a better "flow."  There isn't exactly a hip-hop dictionary where they say this word corresponds to this aspect, but the generally accepted views of those terms was that lyricism referred to the actual words, while flow had to do with the delivery of those words, which itself can again be split up into different categories.

XXL said it best, in their article about whether or not Pac was the greatest.  They said he had mastered flow, talking about how the way he rapped his lyrics and the energy and emotion put into how he presented them.  But as far as lyricism, Pac was generally average, with most rhymes being one, maybe two syllables (and the multi-syllabic ones were either simple or repetitive, like the Hennessy/enemies/remember me type of shit) with a lot of his metaphors and similes being very basic, for the most part.  Obviously a song like Me and My Girlfriend was a pretty dope concept, plus he was getting better toward the end of his life (as I personally always quote First to Bomb as proof), but his lyrics were mostly dope because he brought them to life.  His shit when rapped by other people just wasn't nearly as good -- i.e. Napolean rapping his verse on U Can Be Touched, Ja Rule rapping his lyrics on So Much Pain, C-Murder rapping his lyrics on On My Enemies, Snoop rapping his lyrics on Life's So Hard -- and we probably would think it was wack if we had never heard (or at least knew) that Pac wrote it.  But of course Pac stans cream over stuff like his verse on Got My Mind Made Up or when he used alliteration on If I Die 2Nite.

That being said, Pac and Eminem being at the top is something I wouldn't argue, regardless of who won.  Radio-friendly or not, Eminem is a solid emcee who really no one has ever managed to fuck with lyrically (in terms of going at him, head-on), plus he's one of the few REAL battle emcees who successfully made the transition to mainstream.  I know people like DMX and Jay-Z used to battle, but they were always into making music and not really battling full-time.  Just look at Jin, who was tearing motherfuckers up (except when he lost to Serius Jones, but I let that one slide since he won the next battle tournament while Serius Jones lost in the semi-finals, but Jin still challenged him and was offering to put up $10,000 but Serius declined, and also when he got killed by Iron Solomon, but that was writtens vs. freestyles, so take it how you will), and his Ruff Ryders shit was a flop.  So it's rare to have someone like Eminem.  I'm not saying he's better than someone like Jay-Z, but as consistent as Jay-Z has been (whereas Eminem had his moments of being wack), he still doesn't have as broad of an appeal as Eminem.

I'm just glad that fucking Lil Wayne or some other faggot didn't make it in the final brackets.  That would have pissed me the fuck off.

[Lucifuge]

Rhymes, flow, topic's, style, wordplays, is on em's side. even storytellings

[GangstaBoogy]

If you think the greatest rapper of all time is the one who has quotables such as "ill bisexually reck ya", "im out the closet i been lyin my ass off, all this time me and dre been fuckin with hats off", "bend over and take it like a slut, okay mom" then hiphop has been nothing short of a failure. If thats the case, Tyler the Creator > Nas. Lil B > Jay-Z.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

huh, i dont understand the poll. what are we voting for?
the best "rapper" generally or the best battle-mc?

i voted Em, cuz he would eat up Pac or Big in a battle.

[the synthesis]

MC is someone who can move a crowd, all this "lyricism" stuff is just a branch of hip hop....you don't have to spit the greatest metaphors to be the greatest MC

Pac was the master of moving people emotionally, he made soul music, in some respects Em does that to.

I'm not sure how Em could beat such and such in a battle there is no proof, ive heard a handful of Em battles two of which were remakes of 2pac songs ironically, and they were trash or average

Pac could hang lyrically if wanted to, the guy could kick a double entendre and put down classic bars, he fired some shots at Nas which probably were harder than anything on Takeover.


Lord listen to me < "Lord" is another word for "God Son" aka Our Lord Jesus Christ Son Of God/Pac is referring to Nas by the name "Lord".


God Don't Like Ugly < A famous book written by Mary Monroe/God is also father of Jesus


It Was Written <Nas album title/Pac referring to Mary Manroes book....double entendre



(ey yo Nas) Nas, your whole damn style is bitten (Rakim) <Pac accusing Nas of being a swagga jacking thief

You heard my melody, < My Melody is a Rakim Song therefore Pac is accusing Nas of biting Rakim/Pac is also referring to his own musical composition...double entendre


Read about my life in the papers
All my run-ins with authorities, felonious capers
Now you wanna live my life, so what's the hasa Nas? <Pac accusing Nas of taking on his persona, i think this refers to a song Nas has on his album where he talks about being shot and leaving the hospital the same day..."The Message"



Pac came with some fire for Nas ass and those were just a couple of bars, very well thought out

Pac and Big would have handled Em, as would Jay and Nas....unless we talking freestyle battles at some gay ass rap Olympics lmaos

[the synthesis]

If you think the greatest rapper of all time is the one who has quotables such as "ill bisexually reck ya", "im out the closet i been lyin my ass off, all this time me and dre been fuckin with hats off", "bend over and take it like a slut, okay mom" then hiphop has been nothing short of a failure. If thats the case, Tyler the Creator > Nas. Lil B > Jay-Z.

Em has probably made more cornball songs than he has made dope songs..i remember on one song where he rhymes some shit about doing a fart in a shopping cart like wtf

the home of hip hop aka the streets aint fuckin with Em...

[DeeezNuuuts83]

If you think the greatest rapper of all time is the one who has quotables such as "ill bisexually reck ya", "im out the closet i been lyin my ass off, all this time me and dre been fuckin with hats off", "bend over and take it like a slut, okay mom" then hiphop has been nothing short of a failure. If thats the case, Tyler the Creator > Nas. Lil B > Jay-Z.

Assuming that you like basketball, do you judge players like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant by their worst performances?

I'm sure we can find stupid lines by any rapper, if we look for them.

[Cross Em Out]

If you think the greatest rapper of all time is the one who has quotables such as "ill bisexually reck ya", "im out the closet i been lyin my ass off, all this time me and dre been fuckin with hats off", "bend over and take it like a slut, okay mom" then hiphop has been nothing short of a failure. If thats the case, Tyler the Creator > Nas. Lil B > Jay-Z.

Assuming that you like basketball, do you judge players like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant by their worst performances?

I'm sure we can find stupid lines by any rapper, if we look for them.

Not as stupid as Em's tho. He goes overboard with the silly gay lines. Anyway Nas>>Jay>>Big>>Pac>>>>>>>>Em. But Em and
pac have the two biggest stanbases in HipHop, so i guess it makes sense they are in the top two brackets

Why is ESPN doing this anyway? what would they know about hip hop?

[KC-HOODSTA]

I feel like every single bracket ever comes down to Em vs. Pac.

Strangely I was gonna agree that it should, but then I'm thinking about it and wouldn't it be better if it was Biggie/Em lyrically they are technically above 2pac. I mean what tupac perfected was his portray of imagery over the mic. But he still is a inferior Lyricist.

Also I'm talking 2000 Eminem, not this I'm NOt afraid to make a radio friendly track pussy.


lol @ the stans saying he better then all them, that's about as stupid as you can get. Ems entire style hell none of those dudes style wouldn't of existed if it weren't for N.W.A, and then N.W.A wouldn't of existed if it wasn't for Ice T, who's style (and track 6 in tha Mornin) wouldn't of existed if it wasn't for schoolly D. Ice T's track was infact a Parody of Schoollys Track "P.S.K. What does it mean" lot of west music usually was. 


Besides Eminems whole controversy angle came during Columbine/9/11 when the media was trash talking anything that included violence. Hollywood Critics had given low reviews to very good movies around that time, even games took a hit. Music by far took the greatest, rock, rap mostly (which isn't amazing because Rap is still the least listened to sub-genre in the over all music industry).

I Think artist should only be compared to they  Skill. Because their is artist who impacted the game, but weren't that lyrical on the mic. 

i feel you dogg but i'll be damned if you say schooly d is better than anyone! dude was a terrible MC!

just cuz an artist paved the way does not mean someone later on can't come in and be better!

[the synthesis]

If you think the greatest rapper of all time is the one who has quotables such as "ill bisexually reck ya", "im out the closet i been lyin my ass off, all this time me and dre been fuckin with hats off", "bend over and take it like a slut, okay mom" then hiphop has been nothing short of a failure. If thats the case, Tyler the Creator > Nas. Lil B > Jay-Z.

Assuming that you like basketball, do you judge players like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant by their worst performances?

I'm sure we can find stupid lines by any rapper, if we look for them.

when 80% of ur music is full of bad performances then u shudnt even be compared to jordan

em has fruitfied the game, he put dressing up as a female on the map and now u have lil wayne and kanye wearing skirts and leggings lmao

[Black Excellence]

the bracket is bullshit. they are many emcees doper than both em and pac. they both contributed something to hip hop but are not the end all be all...at all.