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So athleticism, leaping ability, strength, ability & skill to box out & height play absolutely no role in being a rebounder. They are irrelevant attributes that make no difference in the paint.Please, all-mighty one, explain to me the art of rebounding. I thirst for your knowledge.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 02, 2012, 06:02:16 PMSo athleticism, leaping ability, strength, ability & skill to box out & height play absolutely no role in being a rebounder. They are irrelevant attributes that make no difference in the paint.Please, all-mighty one, explain to me the art of rebounding. I thirst for your knowledge.I never said jumping high doesn't factor into the equation, but there are many other factors. Like I said, who is a better rebounder, deandre Jordan or Kevin love?
You boys are just foolish making sports, eight second affairs. Like the last inning of Baseball or the last thirty seconds of basketball. You guys literally, not even an exaggeration, just don't count 47 minutes & 30 seconds of a game. It's actually astonishing. LeBron James has made it impossible in this series against the Knicks to show "IT" becuase he does "IT" better than anybody else in the playoffs right now & he's winning an average of 20 points per game. & Meho, get the fuck outta here lol. I've played in Baseball, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse leagues. Soccer with friends. I've probably played Hockey in more accumulated time than you've simply made your heart rate go up to 100 beats a minute & I'll include jerking off for you.
Quote from: NIKCC on May 02, 2012, 06:04:43 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on May 02, 2012, 06:02:16 PMSo athleticism, leaping ability, strength, ability & skill to box out & height play absolutely no role in being a rebounder. They are irrelevant attributes that make no difference in the paint.Please, all-mighty one, explain to me the art of rebounding. I thirst for your knowledge.I never said jumping high doesn't factor into the equation, but there are many other factors. Like I said, who is a better rebounder, deandre Jordan or Kevin love? Oh, wise one. Please educate me with the "many" other factors outside of the five I mentioned above. I yearn for knowledge.However, master, I have a question for you. What leads you to believe Kevin Love in a better rebounder? The fact STATISTICS tell you that he averages five more rebounds a game? Naturally we agree Kevin Love is a better rebounder because he averages more rebounds a game. Just like like if DeAndre averaged 18 rebounds a game, we'd think he's the best rebounder. But those numbers say Dwight is the best rebounder.But in DeAndre's defense, he plays with Blake Griffin, who averages 11 a game, so "in an ideal situation where Blake Griffin wasn't playing, he'd PROBABLY (not positive, but it's as good a guess as any) would average 15 rebounds a game, making him the best rebounder in the league". Now how dumb does that sound?
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 02, 2012, 04:00:32 PMYou boys are just foolish making sports, eight second affairs. Like the last inning of Baseball or the last thirty seconds of basketball. You guys literally, not even an exaggeration, just don't count 47 minutes & 30 seconds of a game. It's actually astonishing. LeBron James has made it impossible in this series against the Knicks to show "IT" becuase he does "IT" better than anybody else in the playoffs right now & he's winning an average of 20 points per game. & Meho, get the fuck outta here lol. I've played in Baseball, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse leagues. Soccer with friends. I've probably played Hockey in more accumulated time than you've simply made your heart rate go up to 100 beats a minute & I'll include jerking off for you.It's not entirely about clutch factor. It's about that relentless desire to get better. Kobe has a lot of haters, but few would argue that he is the most dedicated player in the league, just like Jordan was before him. Compare that to LeBron James in after losing the NBA Finals saying shit like this: "At the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that.Or making fun of Dirk for being sick right after losing a game to him in the NBA Finals. Can you even imagine Kobe or Jordan doing or saying some shit like that? On top of that the best player in the league shouldn’t be playing hot potato with the ball in the 4th quarter of the most important series in his career.And no I don’t think Bynum has that IT factor. He’s just maturing, developing that mean streak and learning to be a lot more competitive.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 02, 2012, 06:13:08 PMQuote from: NIKCC on May 02, 2012, 06:04:43 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on May 02, 2012, 06:02:16 PMSo athleticism, leaping ability, strength, ability & skill to box out & height play absolutely no role in being a rebounder. They are irrelevant attributes that make no difference in the paint.Please, all-mighty one, explain to me the art of rebounding. I thirst for your knowledge.I never said jumping high doesn't factor into the equation, but there are many other factors. Like I said, who is a better rebounder, deandre Jordan or Kevin love? Oh, wise one. Please educate me with the "many" other factors outside of the five I mentioned above. I yearn for knowledge.However, master, I have a question for you. What leads you to believe Kevin Love in a better rebounder? The fact STATISTICS tell you that he averages five more rebounds a game? Naturally we agree Kevin Love is a better rebounder because he averages more rebounds a game. Just like like if DeAndre averaged 18 rebounds a game, we'd think he's the best rebounder. But those numbers say Dwight is the best rebounder.But in DeAndre's defense, he plays with Blake Griffin, who averages 11 a game, so "in an ideal situation where Blake Griffin wasn't playing, he'd PROBABLY (not positive, but it's as good a guess as any) would average 15 rebounds a game, making him the best rebounder in the league". Now how dumb does that sound?first of all, beating peeps to spots and having a knack for knowing where the ball is coming off the rim factors a whole lot into being a good rebounder. also, timing has a lot to do with it, as well. fact is, if being athletic automatically meant being a better rebounder, then the top rebound specialists in the league would be athletic freaks, as opposed to having the athleticism of a reggie evans, who's per 36 rebounding numbers are through the roof. is joakim noah an athletic freak? zach randolph? was charles oakley jumpin out the gym? pretty sure marcus camby can barely even leave his feet, yet he is still a top rebounder...so the fact that u said "it's physically impossible for bynum to be a better rebounder because he cant do the same things physically" proves ur dumbness when it comes to analyzing basketball. all i'm sayin.
You boys are just foolish making sports, eight second affairs. Like the last inning of Baseball or the last thirty seconds of basketball. You guys literally, not even an exaggeration, just don't count 47 minutes & 30 seconds of a game. It's actually astonishing. LeBron James has made it impossible in this series against the Knicks to show "IT" becuase he does "IT" better than anybody else in the playoffs right now & he's winning an average of 20 points per game. & Meho, get the fuck outta here lol. I've played in Baseball, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse leagues. Soccer with friends. I've probably played Hockey in more accumulated time than you've simply made your heart rate go up to 100 beats a minute & I'll include jerking off for you.Anyway. I don't see where you see this "IT" factor when Bynum was getting benched for not even caring about the team & throwing up three's & saying "Ha, I'll do it again if Mike Brown ever plays me again" lol. Bynum is a great talent. There is no denying that. He's still a child in terms of age & hasn't even reached his prime. But the way you guys judge players with your subjective & in most cases really biased, intangibles we can't measure, it's just pure opinion. Like really? You're really saying, "Well he has more "IT" (some non-measurable form of talent that varies from a person-to-person perspective) than him, so he's just better". I might as well just say, well Derek Jeter just has more "IT" than Albert Pujols, so Jeter is just "X" amount times better than Albert. You don't see the flaws there? I'd rather just hear a "well he doesn't have rings" argument than telling me you see something inside the soul of a player lol.& NIK, don't derail this thread by coming in here & see you have some "support" against me & just say "lol, Cham's an idiot". Any unbiased man would acknowledge there is tons of validity here, you Laker fans just get stubborn when everything isn't "I LOVE THE LAKERS".
i'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumb
Quote from: NIKCC on May 02, 2012, 08:31:14 PMi'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumbOn talent, Chamberlain was heads and shoulders better than Russell, but Russell just always beat Wilt. You can't explain it.
I don't know how you can't see this. Yes, Lebron plays so great that the IT or clutch factors isn't necessary. Almost always. Almost. In every sport you have guys that dominate but there's always an opponent out there, where you can't dominate like that. Where things get edgy. Pressure. You know that one play can decide the faith of the whole game. It's never so easy. That's why Lebron was beasting and cruising the whole season last year, until Dallas showed up in the finals and they couldn't just dominate like that. That's when his true colors had shown.
Quote from: M Dogg on May 03, 2012, 01:28:13 PMQuote from: NIKCC on May 02, 2012, 08:31:14 PMi'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumbOn talent, Chamberlain was heads and shoulders better than Russell, but Russell just always beat Wilt. You can't explain it.Yes you can lol. I can't speak on that because I wasn't relatively close to being around then, but to compare it to today, it's like how the Lakers always beat the Kings in the playoffs. The Lakers just had more talent. It's a team game. If you pin winning & losing on one player from the winning team beating one player from the losing team, you're lost already.I mean you guys are all Laker fans, so it makes sense for you guys to be more entrapped in this "alternate world" where people play better in the last thirty seconds than they do for the other forty-seven and a half. They've thrown Kobe & all his highlights at you for years. It's good for business. Take away Jordan being larger than life & Nike isn't where it's at, the Jordan brand is no bigger than Chris Bosh's shoes (exaggeration, relax) & the NBA doesn't have a name to market for future players to live up to being. I guarantee that in the late 80's people were saying the same thing about Jordan, how he isn't Bird or Magic. MJ won rings, hit a few shots for highlight makers to throw at you making you think he shots "better" in the last seconds than he did for the rest of the game & now you have the face of the sport. They're doing it it with Kobe & then if LeBron starts winning, him & then Durant & so on. It's so simple, but they know people become so connected with these teams & players & you'll ride to the death before you listen to someone like me. Facts are just facts, they shoot similarly & in most cases worse in the closing minutes than they do for the rest of the game, it just comes down to who has the most in order to market you.
Quote from: Meho on May 03, 2012, 09:08:41 AMI don't know how you can't see this. Yes, Lebron plays so great that the IT or clutch factors isn't necessary. Almost always. Almost. In every sport you have guys that dominate but there's always an opponent out there, where you can't dominate like that. Where things get edgy. Pressure. You know that one play can decide the faith of the whole game. It's never so easy. That's why Lebron was beasting and cruising the whole season last year, until Dallas showed up in the finals and they couldn't just dominate like that. That's when his true colors had shown.Nothing else need be said.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 03, 2012, 02:31:02 PMQuote from: M Dogg on May 03, 2012, 01:28:13 PMQuote from: NIKCC on May 02, 2012, 08:31:14 PMi'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumbOn talent, Chamberlain was heads and shoulders better than Russell, but Russell just always beat Wilt. You can't explain it.Yes you can lol. I can't speak on that because I wasn't relatively close to being around then, but to compare it to today, it's like how the Lakers always beat the Kings in the playoffs. The Lakers just had more talent. It's a team game. If you pin winning & losing on one player from the winning team beating one player from the losing team, you're lost already.I mean you guys are all Laker fans, so it makes sense for you guys to be more entrapped in this "alternate world" where people play better in the last thirty seconds than they do for the other forty-seven and a half. They've thrown Kobe & all his highlights at you for years. It's good for business. Take away Jordan being larger than life & Nike isn't where it's at, the Jordan brand is no bigger than Chris Bosh's shoes (exaggeration, relax) & the NBA doesn't have a name to market for future players to live up to being. I guarantee that in the late 80's people were saying the same thing about Jordan, how he isn't Bird or Magic. MJ won rings, hit a few shots for highlight makers to throw at you making you think he shots "better" in the last seconds than he did for the rest of the game & now you have the face of the sport. They're doing it it with Kobe & then if LeBron starts winning, him & then Durant & so on. It's so simple, but they know people become so connected with these teams & players & you'll ride to the death before you listen to someone like me. Facts are just facts, they shoot similarly & in most cases worse in the closing minutes than they do for the rest of the game, it just comes down to who has the most in order to market you.This has to do with Russell beating Chamberlain? You are trying way too hard with this.