THE INTERCEPTION WAS MANNING'S FAULT. NOTHING ELSE!

[Shallow]

The first pick was a joke. Clear pass interference uncalled.

The fumble was a clear forwrd pass with the ball being lost as the rm was going forward, and even a review denied that.

And the worst defensive effort by a playoff team this season. To think Champ Bailey was being compared to Revis this week. The final second TD was even worse. Why the fuck isn't Jim Leonhard playing at the end.

[PLANT]

I was shocked they took at knee with over 30 seconds left and 2 timeouts.  They gave that game to B More.

[Russell Bell]

Boo Hoo

Peyton flaking out in the playoffs has happened before. 

[Shallow]

Boo Hoo

Peyton flaking out in the playoffs has happened before. 

See, the reason I defend im so hard because I know that no matter how hard I harp about it this sentiment that you made above will be the be all end all of what happened in that game. In 5 years from now (unless Denver wins back to back Superbowls in the next two years) this game will be on the list of another choke by Manning and that's all that matters. The piss poor defensive play is a talking point for a couple days but then it goes away.

It doesn't matter that New England had gotten away with illegal contact on play after play in 03, 04 in the playoffs to the point where the league redefined the rules to make sure it didn't happen again. All that matters is Peyton choked against Brady in the cold.

It didn't matter Harper decided to go up the middle against Pit instead of to the side line against a goal line offense for a TD in 05. All that mattered was Peyton choked again in the playoffs.

Didn't matter that Indy's D couldn't stop SD even when Rivers and Tomlinsin were taken out of the game, all that matters is Peyton choked.

Remember how bad Sanchez is at everything? Well he had a game winning last minute drive against the Colts D in 2010. But if Peyton wasn't a choke in the playoffs it wouldn't have happened.

Didn't matter that Peyton threw a perfect ball on the hands of his receiver yesterday and uncalled pass interference caused a tip drill for an INT. All that matters is Peyton choked again with another pick six in the playoffs.


It doesn't matter that Peyton has a higher passer rating in the post season than Tom Brady. All that matters is the team win/loss records.


The bottom line is that as far as I can see with my own two eyes; teams that win in the playoffs win because the team around the QB plays as well or better than the QB, and I'm hard pressed to find a winning record playoff QB that wins despite a poor effort from the rest of the team.

Show me a game when the run game was working, the o-line was protecting, the WRs were getting open downfield, the defense was creating stops and or turnovers, and Peyton Manning didn't win that game? And show me a game where the run game was shut down, the o-line was giving little time, the WRs weren't geting open downfield, and the defense was letting up big play after big play for TDs, and great QB play made the difference and caused a W. Show me one game in the playoffs by any QB where that happened and I'll admit that a QB can win a playoff game on a team not playing well.

[Shallow Jr]

That game was bullshit. It was rigged from the beginning. If Peyton had been on the Ravens they would have won 50-0. No questions asked. Unfortunately, the Broncos quit on Peyton like always and lost it for him. Then the media makes it seem like it's Peyton's fault that the world is against him. Fuck them and Fuck Tom Brady. If Peyton had been on any other team in the post season they would have pulled a shutout, but the NFL doesn't want Peyton to get the credit he deserves so that's how it happens. I hate life.

[Chamillitary Click]

Typical.

[Russell Bell]

Boo Hoo

Peyton flaking out in the playoffs has happened before. 

See, the reason I defend im so hard because I know that no matter how hard I harp about it this sentiment that you made above will be the be all end all of what happened in that game. In 5 years from now (unless Denver wins back to back Superbowls in the next two years) this game will be on the list of another choke by Manning and that's all that matters. The piss poor defensive play is a talking point for a couple days but then it goes away.

It doesn't matter that New England had gotten away with illegal contact on play after play in 03, 04 in the playoffs to the point where the league redefined the rules to make sure it didn't happen again. All that matters is Peyton choked against Brady in the cold.

It didn't matter Harper decided to go up the middle against Pit instead of to the side line against a goal line offense for a TD in 05. All that mattered was Peyton choked again in the playoffs.

Didn't matter that Indy's D couldn't stop SD even when Rivers and Tomlinsin were taken out of the game, all that matters is Peyton choked.

Remember how bad Sanchez is at everything? Well he had a game winning last minute drive against the Colts D in 2010. But if Peyton wasn't a choke in the playoffs it wouldn't have happened.

Didn't matter that Peyton threw a perfect ball on the hands of his receiver yesterday and uncalled pass interference caused a tip drill for an INT. All that matters is Peyton choked again with another pick six in the playoffs.


It doesn't matter that Peyton has a higher passer rating in the post season than Tom Brady. All that matters is the team win/loss records.


The bottom line is that as far as I can see with my own two eyes; teams that win in the playoffs win because the team around the QB plays as well or better than the QB, and I'm hard pressed to find a winning record playoff QB that wins despite a poor effort from the rest of the team.

Show me a game when the run game was working, the o-line was protecting, the WRs were getting open downfield, the defense was creating stops and or turnovers, and Peyton Manning didn't win that game? And show me a game where the run game was shut down, the o-line was giving little time, the WRs weren't geting open downfield, and the defense was letting up big play after big play for TDs, and great QB play made the difference and caused a W. Show me one game in the playoffs by any QB where that happened and I'll admit that a QB can win a playoff game on a team not playing well.

I wouldnt go that far. 

As in, all I look at is "wins losses" for a QB.

As a Cowboys fan, Ive had to hear Steeler fans, 49er fans, shit even Raider fans, Eagles fans, and of course Giants fans tell me that Romo sucks and whoever their qb that year is, is better than Romo, because he throws picks at inopportune times sometimes and fumbles.  Of course, they never note that the Cowboys have basically asked Romo to put the whole offense on his back at all times, overcome horribly rated Defenses, questionable playcalling, overrated talent on both sides of the ball, and what seems like a curse lately with injuries.  Not to mention, probably the most important of all, the lackluster blocking, which has gotten him killed by injuries (cracked ribs multiple times - which he was playing through in the last game vs Washington , shit too many injuries to count) even though hes very elusive. 

So I understand that the team and officiating can blow it for any qb and fans and pundits jump on that. 

I do though, dont think Peyton is that much better than Brady, as you make it out anyway.  Theyre not the same type of quarterback in the first place.  But at the end there, it seems like youre saying no qb can put a team on his back, and Peyton is the only 1 to actually do that?  Or am i reading that wrong. 

Bottom line - I dont think this Broncos game is indicative of necessarily Peyton's inability to win a game under tough circumstances, just that he isnt as invincible as I read you making him out to be.

[Shallow]

As a Cowboys fan, Ive had to hear Steeler fans, 49er fans, shit even Raider fans, Eagles fans, and of course Giants fans tell me that Romo sucks and whoever their qb that year is, is better than Romo, because he throws picks at inopportune times sometimes and fumbles.  Of course, they never note that the Cowboys have basically asked Romo to put the whole offense on his back at all times, overcome horribly rated Defenses, questionable playcalling, overrated talent on both sides of the ball, and what seems like a curse lately with injuries.  Not to mention, probably the most important of all, the lackluster blocking, which has gotten him killed by injuries (cracked ribs multiple times - which he was playing through in the last game vs Washington , shit too many injuries to count) even though hes very elusive. 

So I understand that the team and officiating can blow it for any qb and fans and pundits jump on that. 

I do though, dont think Peyton is that much better than Brady, as you make it out anyway.  Theyre not the same type of quarterback in the first place.  But at the end there, it seems like youre saying no qb can put a team on his back, and Peyton is the only 1 to actually do that?  Or am i reading that wrong. 

Bottom line - I dont think this Broncos game is indicative of necessarily Peyton's inability to win a game under tough circumstances, just that he isnt as invincible as I read you making him out to be.

I give a lot more credit to Romo than most. I think he's a great player an had he been on NO instead of Brees I think the Saints would have had their ring just the same as they do with Brees.

I do not think Peyton can put a whole team on his back. I don't think any one player can. What went wrong on the defensive side of the ball Saturday had nothing to do with the offense. Now had those Broncos had a Ray Lewis then maybe the jitters would have went aeway much earlier and people would have stepped up. But just as much had to do with Del Rio not acknowledging and adressing the fact that on that day Champ Bailey could not run down the field with Smith. And Jim Leonhard should be playing free safety in a prevent defense.

Regardless; here's what I think about Peyton's value to a team; He's as good as the best QBs partnered with their OCs/playcallers. What I mean is that bringing in Peyton is as good as bringing in Brady and Mcdaniels (or Wies or O'Brien), Brees and Payton, Rodgers and McCarthy. And my main theory I that those QBs need their OCs at least as much as the OCs need the QBs. Where as Peyton is the only current QB that could go anywhere right now and turn the offense into a top 5 offense regardless of who is the OC and in most cases the team would be better off with less OC play calling and more Manning play calling.

And this is why I really wanted him to go to a defensive minded team that would leave the offense to the QB like he would have gotten from KC or NYJ. Crennel and Ryan wouldn't even have looked at the offense if Peyton was running it. Fox, adn Dungy are defesive uys but they like to meddle in things they don't know and usually lean on the safe side rather than the kill side.

I think that late interception had as much to do with he frustration of having to go along with conservative playcalling and not wanting to stir the pot. And that may have ended up losing the game even earlier if a bad mistake was made.

In the end my main blame goes to Del Rio for not adjusting, and he has a long history in Jacksonville of staying the course even when it isn't working. I'd get rid of him and bring in Romeo immediately.

[Chamillitary Click]

Or maybe Peyton shouldn't have thrown three picks.

[Shallow Jr]

Or maybe Peyton shouldn't have thrown three picks.

Do you watch/know anything about football? Apparently not. Peyton's team lost that game for him, it was a disaster and the team should issue Peyton a personal apology for screwing him over just like the Colts did. It's a tragedy. Meanwhile, everyone credits Brady. If Peyton played on any other playoff team besides the shitty Broncos they'd have won that game, no contest.

[Shallow Jr]

I haven't eaten since Saturday. I don't know what to do without you Peyton.

[Shallow]

Or maybe Peyton shouldn't have thrown three picks.

Where'd you get three? He only threw on officially pick and that was in OT. The first on was a ball thown dead on te hands of the WR. He'a supposed to know the DB is going to get away with an early hit to cause a tip drill and not throw the ball? Not even Shallow Jr thinks Peyton is that good. And the fumble was a plain and simple incomplete pass; the ball left his hands as his arm was going forward and it was never again secured by him.

Peyton played a lot better in this game than Brady played against the Ravens last January.