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HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE THE ONLY LAKER FAN ALIVE WHO CRINGED WHEN HE SAW THAT LAST SENTENCE?
obviously, as of today, mj has had the more glorified career....prime for prime, kobe could beat mj. if kobe could come back from his achilles rupture and lead the lakers to 2 more titles with a reformed game (about 23 points-10 assists, as he said), then the discussion is very far from over.
Quote from: NIKCC on June 12, 2013, 02:33:18 PMobviously, as of today, mj has had the more glorified career....prime for prime, kobe could beat mj. if kobe could come back from his achilles rupture and lead the lakers to 2 more titles with a reformed game (about 23 points-10 assists, as he said), then the discussion is very far from over. I am going off prime for prime. Jordan at his best was better thank Kobe. Offense, it's close with only a slight edge to Jordan, but defense it's not even close. You can say Scottie, but Michael usually guarded the best player on the other team night after night and shut them down. Scottie offered as much help as Ariza, Rick Fox, Shaq in the paint, Odom, Artest. But Kobe at his best didn't focus on D as much as MJ. that's the difference. If Kobe can over come a usually career ending injury and claim a title going 23-10, you have to give the edge to Kobe because he proved he can overcome more. But it hasn't happened so that's yet to be proven.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on June 12, 2013, 02:57:10 PMQuote from: NIKCC on June 12, 2013, 02:33:18 PMobviously, as of today, mj has had the more glorified career....prime for prime, kobe could beat mj. if kobe could come back from his achilles rupture and lead the lakers to 2 more titles with a reformed game (about 23 points-10 assists, as he said), then the discussion is very far from over. I am going off prime for prime. Jordan at his best was better thank Kobe. Offense, it's close with only a slight edge to Jordan, but defense it's not even close. You can say Scottie, but Michael usually guarded the best player on the other team night after night and shut them down. Scottie offered as much help as Ariza, Rick Fox, Shaq in the paint, Odom, Artest. But Kobe at his best didn't focus on D as much as MJ. that's the difference. If Kobe can over come a usually career ending injury and claim a title going 23-10, you have to give the edge to Kobe because he proved he can overcome more. But it hasn't happened so that's yet to be proven.MORE MISINFORMATION LMAO
YOU SAID USUALLY...HE WOULD GUARD THE BEST PLAYER ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT IT WAS USUALLY SCOTTIE DOING THAT. HE WAS A GOOD DEFENDER, BUT LIKE U SAID, HIS BEST DEFENSIVE DAYS WERE ACTUALLY BEFORE HE WAS WINNING RINGS IN HIS PRIME. JORDANS DEFENSIVE WEAKNESS WAS BEING POSTED UP. MAGIC JOHNSON EXPLOITED THIS IN THE 1991 FINALS. AFTER MAGIC DREW 3 FOULS ON MJ IN THE FIRST HALF OF GAME 2, PHIL JACKSON MOVED PIPPEN OVER TO GUARD MAGIC AND PUT MJ ON AN INJURED JAMES WORTHY. IF KOBE PLAYED DEFENSE NEXT TO A PIPPEN FOR HIS WHOLE CAREER, SHIEEET, THINGS WOULDA BEEN A LOT DIFFERENT IN LAKERLAND.
Quote from: NIKCC on June 12, 2013, 10:02:41 PMYOU SAID USUALLY...HE WOULD GUARD THE BEST PLAYER ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT IT WAS USUALLY SCOTTIE DOING THAT. HE WAS A GOOD DEFENDER, BUT LIKE U SAID, HIS BEST DEFENSIVE DAYS WERE ACTUALLY BEFORE HE WAS WINNING RINGS IN HIS PRIME. JORDANS DEFENSIVE WEAKNESS WAS BEING POSTED UP. MAGIC JOHNSON EXPLOITED THIS IN THE 1991 FINALS. AFTER MAGIC DREW 3 FOULS ON MJ IN THE FIRST HALF OF GAME 2, PHIL JACKSON MOVED PIPPEN OVER TO GUARD MAGIC AND PUT MJ ON AN INJURED JAMES WORTHY. IF KOBE PLAYED DEFENSE NEXT TO A PIPPEN FOR HIS WHOLE CAREER, SHIEEET, THINGS WOULDA BEEN A LOT DIFFERENT IN LAKERLAND. Instead he had Fox, Odom, Ariza and Artest, oh such horrible defenders. And you know, people just drove the lane against Kobe because they knew they'd beat Shaq or Bynum in the middle. Pre-1993, Jordan was a great defender. But as I also said, post 1995, Jordan was one of the most overrated defenders in the league. But in his prime, he'd guard the best player. And he had Kobe on defense. With that said, you ever see Kobe guard LeBron? Not good results either. Kobe can shut down Carter, McGrady, Ray Allen, but he struggles against LeBron. Same with Jordan, he got Drexler, Reggie Miller, Dominique, a play or two against Bird. But Jordan struggles against Magic. Magic and LeBron are different kid of players that defenders like MJ and Kobe just seem to struggle with. I don't know what it is, but Magic and LeBron can expose MJ and Kobe's defense. Here they go head to headKobe vs LeBronhttp://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jamesle01&p2=bryanko01Magic vs. Michaelhttp://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jordami01&p2=johnsma02Both LeBron and Magic did just as well with Kobe and Michael guarding them than as they would normally, if not better. In 1991, Pippen was finally able to switch over to Magic, pre-1991 Pippen was not good enough yet to guard Magic. But either way, both struggle, though Kobe's games against LeBron even made his offense suffer.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on June 12, 2013, 11:10:31 PMQuote from: NIKCC on June 12, 2013, 10:02:41 PMYOU SAID USUALLY...HE WOULD GUARD THE BEST PLAYER ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT IT WAS USUALLY SCOTTIE DOING THAT. HE WAS A GOOD DEFENDER, BUT LIKE U SAID, HIS BEST DEFENSIVE DAYS WERE ACTUALLY BEFORE HE WAS WINNING RINGS IN HIS PRIME. JORDANS DEFENSIVE WEAKNESS WAS BEING POSTED UP. MAGIC JOHNSON EXPLOITED THIS IN THE 1991 FINALS. AFTER MAGIC DREW 3 FOULS ON MJ IN THE FIRST HALF OF GAME 2, PHIL JACKSON MOVED PIPPEN OVER TO GUARD MAGIC AND PUT MJ ON AN INJURED JAMES WORTHY. IF KOBE PLAYED DEFENSE NEXT TO A PIPPEN FOR HIS WHOLE CAREER, SHIEEET, THINGS WOULDA BEEN A LOT DIFFERENT IN LAKERLAND. Instead he had Fox, Odom, Ariza and Artest, oh such horrible defenders. And you know, people just drove the lane against Kobe because they knew they'd beat Shaq or Bynum in the middle. Pre-1993, Jordan was a great defender. But as I also said, post 1995, Jordan was one of the most overrated defenders in the league. But in his prime, he'd guard the best player. And he had Kobe on defense. With that said, you ever see Kobe guard LeBron? Not good results either. Kobe can shut down Carter, McGrady, Ray Allen, but he struggles against LeBron. Same with Jordan, he got Drexler, Reggie Miller, Dominique, a play or two against Bird. But Jordan struggles against Magic. Magic and LeBron are different kid of players that defenders like MJ and Kobe just seem to struggle with. I don't know what it is, but Magic and LeBron can expose MJ and Kobe's defense. Here they go head to headKobe vs LeBronhttp://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jamesle01&p2=bryanko01Magic vs. Michaelhttp://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jordami01&p2=johnsma02Both LeBron and Magic did just as well with Kobe and Michael guarding them than as they would normally, if not better. In 1991, Pippen was finally able to switch over to Magic, pre-1991 Pippen was not good enough yet to guard Magic. But either way, both struggle, though Kobe's games against LeBron even made his offense suffer.ARIZA, ODOM, FOX, ARTEST - ALL GOOD, YET NONE OF THEM WERE PIPPEN....ARTEST WAS THE CLOSEST, BUT HE WAS WAY OUT OF HIS DEFENSIVE PRIME ONCE HE GOT TO LA. STILL, IF U REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT WAS KOBE SHUTTING DOWN THE OPPOSING STARS. REMEMBER, PHIL PUT KOBE ON WESTBROOK WHEN WESTBROOK WAS SCORING AT WILL, THEN HE DID THE SAME WITH RONDO WHEN NO ONE ELSE COULD STOP HIM. KEEP ARGUIN AGAINST KOBE, THO, THINKIN IT SOMEBHOW DOESNT MAKE U LOOK FEATHERWEIGHT. SERIOUSLY, THO, EVEN IF U WERE RIGHT, JUST THE FACT THAT UR ARGUING THIS ADAMANTLY AGAINST IS ALREADY A LOSS FOR U. BUT KEEP DOIN U, I ENJOY IT, MY DUDE.