Nate Dogg "WHY" an under-rated 2pac tribute

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

This track wasn't billed up enough when it dropped.  They didn't make much noise about a Pac tribute and it always seemed like Bad Boy did Biggie justice with all the tributes they were making sure his name lived forever.

It seemed like Death Row was quiet on the other hand.  Snoop should of made a dope ass Pac tribute on Doggfather that would of been legendary.  Instead it wasn't till like 2 years later that Treach finally did a big name Pac tribute.

Anyway Nates was a great tribute that fell under the radar.  Maybe they should've just put it on doggfather and had snoop do some shit over it.

[V2DHeart]

Hussein Fatal's "everyday" stands it. It got a fair amount of MTV play.

& Snoop did do a tribute. Snoop & KCi & JoJo (life's Hard), Nate, Outlawz, Storm, MC Hammer, Swoop G, Realest/Jewell, and most of the roster have done 2Pac tributes. Even the 2nd gen - Crooked I, NINA etc.

Outside of Death Row, Scarface, Spice 1, Won G, Yukmouth, Treach, Richie Rich, E-40, and others in the industry he had worked with or inspired have done them too. If you look, you'll find more 2Pac tribute songs than biggie ones. The only reason Biggie's one made it big (besides the PR $$$) was the Diana Ross sample, just like the Bruce Hornsby's sample in Changes. Most of Hip Hop's largest songs, tribute or not, contain these samples, and Death Row weren't going to pay ridiculous amounts clearing samples and the truth is - They didn't need to. They had a catalogue of dark tracks that added to the mystery of whether he was dead or not. This was the advantage of 2Pac over Biggie. 2Pac had albums upon albums worth of material. Biggie had very little, and content-wise, it was very good standardised rap, but it was not issues of death, murder, reincarnation, hell, remorse etc. Like a lot of 2Pac tracks

They didn't want to present 2Pac as simply a "dead" artist being "mourned" anyway even if it were in a celebratory fashion. According to a source at Amaru, they wanted to present 2Pac as a larger than life figure who was essentially alive in each in every one of us. An example of this is "I wonder if Heaven got a Ghetto" video. Death Row did the same too (Unconditional Love) His darker level of work allowed this strategy and it's probably a bit better than having a music video with a bunch of people crying over it. It added to the mystery and lead to more sales as a result

[DeeezNuuuts83]

This track was billed up enough when it dropped.  They didn't make much noise about a Pac tribute and it always seemed like Bad Boy did Biggie justice with all the tributes they were making sure his name lived forever.

It seemed like Death Row was quiet on the other hand.  Snoop should of made a dope ass Pac tribute on Doggfather that would of been legendary.  Instead it wasn't till like 2 years later that Treach finally did a big name Pac tribute.

Anyway Nates was a great tribute that fell under the radar.  Maybe they should've just put it on doggfather and had snoop do some shit over it.

But Suge ended up getting locked up.  Daz was a great producer, but he didn't really have much marketing sense and wasn't a good executive producer.  Puff put that Biggie tribute CD single together.  Daz wouldn't have had the foresight to think of that, especially when he was probably wanting to put his own material out.  Remember, a lot of people were feeling a little jealous since Suge was favoring Pac and having everyone stay where they were in line instead of advancing.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Hussein Fatal's "everyday" stands it. It got a fair amount of MTV play.

& Snoop did do a tribute. Snoop & KCi & JoJo (life's Hard), Nate, Outlawz, Storm, MC Hammer, Swoop G, Realest/Jewell, and most of the roster have done 2Pac tributes. Even the 2nd gen - Crooked I, NINA etc.

Outside of Death Row, Scarface, Spice 1, Won G, Yukmouth, Treach, Richie Rich, E-40, and others in the industry he had worked with or inspired have done them too. If you look, you'll find more 2Pac tribute songs than biggie ones. The only reason Biggie's one made it big (besides the PR $$$) was the Diana Ross sample, just like the Bruce Hornsby's sample in Changes. Most of Hip Hop's largest songs, tribute or not, contain these samples, and Death Row weren't going to pay ridiculous amounts clearing samples and the truth is - They didn't need to. They had a catalogue of dark tracks that added to the mystery of whether he was dead or not. This was the advantage of 2Pac over Biggie. 2Pac had albums upon albums worth of material. Biggie had very little, and content-wise, it was very good standardised rap, but it was not issues of death, murder, reincarnation, hell, remorse etc. Like a lot of 2Pac tracks

They didn't want to present 2Pac as simply a "dead" artist being "mourned" anyway even if it were in a celebratory fashion. According to a source at Amaru, they wanted to present 2Pac as a larger than life figure who was essentially alive in each in every one of us. An example of this is "I wonder if Heaven got a Ghetto" video. Death Row did the same too (Unconditional Love) His darker level of work allowed this strategy and it's probably a bit better than having a music video with a bunch of people crying over it. It added to the mystery and lead to more sales as a result

yo man.. that's a good point that they actually kept things on a mysterious tip by not doing the "I'll Be Missing You" type of stuff that was going on at Bad Boy.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

But Suge ended up getting locked up.  Daz was a great producer, but he didn't really have much marketing sense and wasn't a good executive producer.  Puff put that Biggie tribute CD single together.  Daz wouldn't have had the foresight to think of that, especially when he was probably wanting to put his own material out.  Remember, a lot of people were feeling a little jealous since Suge was favoring Pac and having everyone stay where they were in line instead of advancing.

Daz was pretty much the man at Death Row after Pac died.   I mean, Johnny J was only fucking with Death Row because Pac was there.  So with Dre gone earlier in the year, and Pac dead, and Snoop not really feeling gangsta music anymore after his murder trial...  really Daz was holding down Death Row for the rest of the 90's.

As Death Row was crumbling, Daz was still at the top of his game, with production gems on Gang Related, Gridlocked, Doggfather, and then his own stellar album RRAG was the last great Death Row album.  He also had a lot of dope cuts that weren't released on Death Row like "Put The Monkey On It", "Midnight Love", and the work he did on Kurupts solo album.

I remember Daz was supposedly the president or something of Death Row at the time of RRAG, but I don't know how legit that really was.  I don't think he ever really had much control like that.  I agree with you he maybe didn't have the overall marketing and hustle to run the label like Suge did, but then again, who does?  I mean there is only one Suge Knight.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

2 replies?   2 fuckin replies?

Ya'll better recognize!!!   "Why" is a classic joint, and still people are sleeping on this one...

[KrazySumwhat]

 The chorus sounded like a Pac tribute but not the actual lyrics. If i recal? been a while since i heard it.
EDIT: it was on the Gridlock'd album, right? i may be getting that song and "one more day"(murder was the case OST?) a bit mixed up and fused toghter though.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

The chorus sounded like a Pac tribute but not the actual lyrics. If i recal? been a while since i heard it.
EDIT: it was on the Gridlock'd album, right? i may be getting that song and "one more day"(murder was the case OST?) a bit mixed up and fused toghter though.

Word.... in fact.. to be honest I've only "heard" that this was a 2pac tribute.  I don't even know for sure.  Because your right about the lyrics, he doesn't say Pac's name or anything like that.  He does sing,

"I often wonder
if you would still be alive/
if you had worn your vest!!"

[V2DHeart]

This is why his music production changed, and this is why they added in features. They wanted to make him appear as if he were still here rather than simply put out OG material. I'm on the fence and see the advantages of both and yes, they done vocal manipulation on some of the songs too, which many felt was a step too far, but it was done with the best intentions and could have only been done with an artist as versatile as 2Pac. Is there a documentary on Biggie like Resurrection? His content was so varied and relevant to modern times, and had so much video content (even from Gobi) that you could literally release albums from him today and kids would have no idea he was a dead artist.

Even with his vest on, they would have got to him eventually. From Atlanta, from Arkansas, from New York, from jail all the way to Las Vegas, he was being watched immensely. People don't even know about the huge numbers of FBI documents (publicly undisclosed to this day) or that when 2Pac shot at those 2 off duty cops, he was really fighting for his life. They smashed his window and shot at 2Pac. We got a battered story of "2 off duty officers who were drunk"   (Those lyrics: "The coppers wanna see me buried" aren't for show) The FBI were trying to knock him off from the moment 2pacalypse dropped. It only took them 4 years, 3 if you count the 1 year of that he was in jail. That's actually good for the FBI - When you look at planning time, media castration, mental manipulation etc.

In doing so, they made that level of "hip hop" IE; that revolutionary style of free speech obsolete by associating it with 'gang' violence and death making it easy pickings for the suits to take it over and dilute it to the point to where we have it now, which is cheerleaders in fake over-sized dumbo chains, and skinny key closest jeans struggling to utter a complete sentence in English on each line.

Many couldn't do an authentic tribute to either Big or Pac because both died in ways we already know, and no one could really speak on it or claim to have knowledge of what went down or they wound up with a bullet in the head, or crashing in their car with failed brakes (all of which happened) tho those that claimed to know what happened or could identify killers

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

This is why his music production changed, and this is why they added in features. They wanted to make him appear as if he were still here rather than simply put out OG
In doing so, they made that level of "hip hop" IE; that revolutionary style of free speech obsolete by associating it with 'gang' violence and death making it easy pickings for the suits to take it over and dilute it to the point to where we have it now, which is cheerleaders in fake over-sized dumbo chains, and skinny key closest jeans struggling to utter a complete sentence in English on each line.

PREACH!!

[Mr Wicked]

"Why" is one of my favorite Nate Dogg songs
coincidentally I've been bumpin it alot lately
btw, listen to the lyrics of Nate's "Right Back Where You Are", I wonder if that one's about 2Pac too

and uh, I'm pretty sure Daz was never in a "presidential" position at Death Row
he was the main producer though during the second part of the 90s, like Dre used to be before him
Suge put some other guys in charge of the label (think it was Reggie)
and most of the staff at DR weren't happy with the way they were leading the label and left

[V2DHeart]

A presidential title in a company is a pretty loose term. It can on occasions be given to provide a false sense of importance but may actually be worthless

You can be given the following:

VP (Vice president)
Associate VP
Senior Vice president
Senior executive "manager"
Chief business officer

But if it aint CEO, or chief director then it doesn't mean much. Anyone remember Kurupt being the VP of Death Row??? Being a VP of a company of "5" people (on paper) doesn't mean much 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

But even the term CEO is thrown around the hip-hop industry far too frequently when it really doesn't apply.

[Sccit]

why>ill be missing u

[Black Excellence]

why>ill be missing u

we'll always love big poppa>both