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Lakers 2013 playoff conspiracy
whoisthis:
This thread was based on a video talking about the Lakers getting the foul calls. It turns into a LeBron v Kobe thing because someone wants to deflect.
In the 2010 Finals, Kobe shot 40% or lower, 3 times. In those 3 games, he put up 73 shots and only making 24 total. But, despite his horrific shooting, which includes an amazing 3/20 from 3, Kobe still scored 73 Points. How does one score 73 points while only shooting 32.8% from the field and 15% from 3? We'll come back to that in a bit.
You say that LeBron gets the calls. You've crushed LeBron for his first 3 games of the finals due to his scoring. Well, he shot 38% from the field in those 3 games, still better than what Kobe did in his 3 bad games against Boston. 23% from 3, terrible, but better than 15%, right? Now, we've established that LeBron somehow still shot better from the field and from the 3 than Kobe, but we haven't looked at how they match up at the line.
Kobe
Game 2: 3/3
Game 3: 8/8
Game 7: 11/15
Finals overall: 53/60
LeBron
Game 1: 3/4
Game 2: 2/2
Game 3: 0/0
Finals overall: 31/39
But, I thought you said Kobe never gets the calls LeBron gets? I'm confused a little bit now. Kobe got to the line 26 times. Nearly 4 1/2 times more than LeBron did in their "Bad Shooting Finals" games. Kobe got to the line 21 more times for the series, that's 3 extra attempts per game.
Take out the emotion for a second. Take out the fact that you are a Kobe fan and not a fan of LeBron (all childish nicknames aside). Just looking at things evenly.
Does Kobe get the foul calls? Yes. Does Kobe have bad games even in the Finals? Yes. Has Kobe been bailed out by the likes of Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Ron Artest? Yes.
So why crush LeBron, but give Kobe props (or a pass), for the same things?
You are crushing LeBron because he's not shooting his 56% from the field every game (though it is called AN AVERAGE), but mention nothing about Kobe's atrocious shooting nights. You glaze over them. Remember this, Kobe's BEST shooting percentage in his career would be LeBron's 2nd worst. Maybe you glaze over these bad nights from Kobe because you are (unknowingly) admitting LeBron is a better shooter than Kobe? I mean, LeBron does have 4 seasons over 50% and Kobe has none over 46.9%.
I'm sure this topic will go on for another few days with the words like "Faggot," "Cocksucker," "Dickrider," "Nigga," "Youngin'," etc. being thrown around and adding nothing of value. And individual games will be broken down by the minute. And every mistake LeBron has made will be amplified and every Kobe mistake will be disregarded... I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Meho on July 29, 2013, 02:50:52 PM ---There you go talking about luck, among other bullshit. Only when it comes to Lebron. I don't know why I even get into arguments with you regarding anything Lebron vs. Kobe because it's impossible to have a normal debate. Subjective that is.
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lol like im the only person who says LeBron is predispose to choking.... U watch too much tv
Meho:
It's not about chocking at all. If that was your only argument, I'd be fine with it, since I'm the one who keeps saying that his 4th quarter/clutch time game needs hella more improvement. You're talking about him under performing the whole finals, which is just bullshit.
And great post by Whoisthis, but you shouldn't bother. Nik will somehow be able to throw some things around and again do what he does best. It's impossible to have a normal bball debate with him regarding anything Kobe. But besides that, ain't nothing wrong with him.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 03:48:19 PM ---This thread was based on a video talking about the Lakers getting the foul calls. It turns into a LeBron v Kobe thing because someone wants to deflect.
In the 2010 Finals, Kobe shot 40% or lower, 3 times. In those 3 games, he put up 73 shots and only making 24 total. But, despite his horrific shooting, which includes an amazing 3/20 from 3, Kobe still scored 73 Points. How does one score 73 points while only shooting 32.8% from the field and 15% from 3? We'll come back to that in a bit.
You say that LeBron gets the calls. You've crushed LeBron for his first 3 games of the finals due to his scoring. Well, he shot 38% from the field in those 3 games, still better than what Kobe did in his 3 bad games against Boston. 23% from 3, terrible, but better than 15%, right? Now, we've established that LeBron somehow still shot better from the field and from the 3 than Kobe, but we haven't looked at how they match up at the line.
Kobe
Game 2: 3/3
Game 3: 8/8
Game 7: 11/15
Finals overall: 53/60
LeBron
Game 1: 3/4
Game 2: 2/2
Game 3: 0/0
Finals overall: 31/39
But, I thought you said Kobe never gets the calls LeBron gets? I'm confused a little bit now. Kobe got to the line 26 times. Nearly 4 1/2 times more than LeBron did in their "Bad Shooting Finals" games. Kobe got to the line 21 more times for the series, that's 3 extra attempts per game.
Take out the emotion for a second. Take out the fact that you are a Kobe fan and not a fan of LeBron (all childish nicknames aside). Just looking at things evenly.
Does Kobe get the foul calls? Yes. Does Kobe have bad games even in the Finals? Yes. Has Kobe been bailed out by the likes of Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Ron Artest? Yes.
So why crush LeBron, but give Kobe props (or a pass), for the same things?
You are crushing LeBron because he's not shooting his 56% from the field every game (though it is called AN AVERAGE), but mention nothing about Kobe's atrocious shooting nights. You glaze over them. Remember this, Kobe's BEST shooting percentage in his career would be LeBron's 2nd worst. Maybe you glaze over these bad nights from Kobe because you are (unknowingly) admitting LeBron is a better shooter than Kobe? I mean, LeBron does have 4 seasons over 50% and Kobe has none over 46.9%.
I'm sure this topic will go on for another few days with the words like "Faggot," "Cocksucker," "Dickrider," "Nigga," "Youngin'," etc. being thrown around and adding nothing of value. And individual games will be broken down by the minute. And every mistake LeBron has made will be amplified and every Kobe mistake will be disregarded... I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
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BRO, UR COMPARING THE FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE OF A SHOOTING GUARD SCORER WITH UNLIMITED RANGE TO A PASS-FIRST SMALL FORWARD WHO IS KNOWN FOR SCORING MOST HIS POINTS RIGHT AT THE RIM...IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT. THATS LIKE SAYIN SHAQ IS BETTER THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS MUCH HIGHER. THATS FIRST AND FOREMOST...SECONDLY, THE FACT THAT LEBRON WASNT GOING TO THE LINE WAS PART OF WHY HE WAS CRITICIZED SO HEAVILY TO BEGIN WITH- HE WASNT TAKING IT IN, BUT INSTEAD SETTLING FOR LONG JUMPERS! THIS IS WHY HE'S KNOWN AS A CHOKE...AS SOON AS THE FINALS ROLL ALONG, HE BECOMES A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYER AND THE PASSIVENESS IN HIS GAME IS MAGNIFIED BY 100X...THIS IS WHY HE DOESNT GET THE CALLS- NOT BECAUSE THE REFS AINT ON HIS DICK, BECAUSE LORD KNOWS THEY ARE...HE SIMPLY DIDNT FORCING THE ISSUE - UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVIN MY POINT.
HERES A GAME BY GAME BREAK-DOWN OF KOBE VS BOSTON TO HELP U UNDERSTAND THAT KOBE CARRIED THAT TEAM, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ALA LEBRON VS THE SPURS
GAME 1: 30 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- SUPERB GAME 1 UP TO HIS STANDARDS
GAME 2: 21 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE THIS GAME, SAT A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES, MORE PROOF CALLS GO AGAINST KOBE
GAME 3: 29 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME, LAKERS WON, KOBE WAS BY FAR THE LEADING SCORER FOR LA
GAME 4: 33 POINTS, 6 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME FOR KOBE, REST OF THE TEAM LET HIM DOWN, LAKERS LOSE.. STILL DONT SEE ANYTHING WHERE HE CAN BE COMPARED TO LEBRON IN THIS YEARS FINALS, AND THATS 4 GAMES IN
GAME 5: 38 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER EXCEPTIONAL GAME WHERE HIS TEAMMATES LET HIM DOWN AND LAKERS LOSE, SECOND LEADING SCORER WAS GASOL WIT 12 POINTS SMH
GAME 6: 26 POINTS, 11 REBOUNDS, 3 ASSISTS- GREAT GAME, GASOL PLAYED LIKE A SECOND OPTION WITH 17 POINTS, SO LAKERS WIN
GAME 7: 23 POINTS, 15 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
ALSO, KOBE WAS THE LEADING SCORER IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE GAMES. LETS NOT FORGET, WE HAD THE LIKES OF MARIO CHALMERS AND DANNY GREEN OUTSCORING LEBRON IN THESE FINALS....AND THE EYE TEST IS REALLY WHAT SAYS IT ALL. KOBE STEPS UP TO EVERY BIG MOMENT WITH HIS HEAD UP. IF U TRULY DID WATCH THESE FINALS UDA SEEN THAT LEBRON HAS HIS TAIL TUCKED BETWEEN HIS LEGS OVER HALF THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN HIS TEAM LACKS MOMENTUM. WHEN HIS TEAM HAS MOMENTUM IS WHEN HE GOES ON HIS BEASTLY SPURTS AND STAT-PADS, BUT OVERALL, THE TENACITY IS NOT COMPARABLE TO THE TENACITY OF THE GOATS, AND THERES NO WAY 2 ARGUE THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Meho on July 29, 2013, 04:22:29 PM ---It's not about chocking at all. If that was your only argument, I'd be fine with it, since I'm the one who keeps saying that his 4th quarter/clutch time game needs hella more improvement. You're talking about him under performing the whole finals, which is just bullshit.
And great post by Whoisthis, but you shouldn't bother. Nik will somehow be able to throw some things around and again do what he does best. It's impossible to have a normal bball debate with him regarding anything Kobe. But besides that, ain't nothing wrong with him.
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HE WASNT UNDERPERFORMING FOR THE WHOLE FINALS, BUT HE WAS MOST OF IT...AND THATS 100% TRUTH...HE WON IN 2012 AND I DIDNT SAY THAT. U KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT WASNT THE CASE IN THOSE FINALS...BUT IN 2013, LEBRON WAS CHOKING BIG TIME UP UNTIL RAY ALLEN HIT THAT THREE...IF U DONT BELIEVE ME, GO BACK AND WATCH ALL 7 GAMES FROM START TO FINISH ALL OVER AGAIN AND KEEP WHAT I SAID IN MIND WHILE WATCHING.
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