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Chamillitary Click:
We need a new mod. This is embarrassing.
whoisthis:
--- Quote from: NIKCC on July 29, 2013, 06:27:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 03:48:19 PM ---This thread was based on a video talking about the Lakers getting the foul calls. It turns into a LeBron v Kobe thing because someone wants to deflect.
In the 2010 Finals, Kobe shot 40% or lower, 3 times. In those 3 games, he put up 73 shots and only making 24 total. But, despite his horrific shooting, which includes an amazing 3/20 from 3, Kobe still scored 73 Points. How does one score 73 points while only shooting 32.8% from the field and 15% from 3? We'll come back to that in a bit.
You say that LeBron gets the calls. You've crushed LeBron for his first 3 games of the finals due to his scoring. Well, he shot 38% from the field in those 3 games, still better than what Kobe did in his 3 bad games against Boston. 23% from 3, terrible, but better than 15%, right? Now, we've established that LeBron somehow still shot better from the field and from the 3 than Kobe, but we haven't looked at how they match up at the line.
Kobe
Game 2: 3/3
Game 3: 8/8
Game 7: 11/15
Finals overall: 53/60
LeBron
Game 1: 3/4
Game 2: 2/2
Game 3: 0/0
Finals overall: 31/39
But, I thought you said Kobe never gets the calls LeBron gets? I'm confused a little bit now. Kobe got to the line 26 times. Nearly 4 1/2 times more than LeBron did in their "Bad Shooting Finals" games. Kobe got to the line 21 more times for the series, that's 3 extra attempts per game.
Take out the emotion for a second. Take out the fact that you are a Kobe fan and not a fan of LeBron (all childish nicknames aside). Just looking at things evenly.
Does Kobe get the foul calls? Yes. Does Kobe have bad games even in the Finals? Yes. Has Kobe been bailed out by the likes of Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Ron Artest? Yes.
So why crush LeBron, but give Kobe props (or a pass), for the same things?
You are crushing LeBron because he's not shooting his 56% from the field every game (though it is called AN AVERAGE), but mention nothing about Kobe's atrocious shooting nights. You glaze over them. Remember this, Kobe's BEST shooting percentage in his career would be LeBron's 2nd worst. Maybe you glaze over these bad nights from Kobe because you are (unknowingly) admitting LeBron is a better shooter than Kobe? I mean, LeBron does have 4 seasons over 50% and Kobe has none over 46.9%.
I'm sure this topic will go on for another few days with the words like "Faggot," "Cocksucker," "Dickrider," "Nigga," "Youngin'," etc. being thrown around and adding nothing of value. And individual games will be broken down by the minute. And every mistake LeBron has made will be amplified and every Kobe mistake will be disregarded... I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
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BRO, UR COMPARING THE FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE OF A SHOOTING GUARD SCORER WITH UNLIMITED RANGE TO A PASS-FIRST SMALL FORWARD WHO IS KNOWN FOR SCORING MOST HIS POINTS RIGHT AT THE RIM...IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT. THATS LIKE SAYIN SHAQ IS BETTER THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS MUCH HIGHER. THATS FIRST AND FOREMOST...SECONDLY, THE FACT THAT LEBRON WASNT GOING TO THE LINE WAS PART OF WHY HE WAS CRITICIZED SO HEAVILY TO BEGIN WITH- HE WASNT TAKING IT IN, BUT INSTEAD SETTLING FOR LONG JUMPERS! THIS IS WHY HE'S KNOWN AS A CHOKE...AS SOON AS THE FINALS ROLL ALONG, HE BECOMES A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYER AND THE PASSIVENESS IN HIS GAME IS MAGNIFIED BY 100X...THIS IS WHY HE DOESNT GET THE CALLS- NOT BECAUSE THE REFS AINT ON HIS DICK, BECAUSE LORD KNOWS THEY ARE...HE SIMPLY DIDNT FORCING THE ISSUE - UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVIN MY POINT.
HERES A GAME BY GAME BREAK-DOWN OF KOBE VS BOSTON TO HELP U UNDERSTAND THAT KOBE CARRIED THAT TEAM, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ALA LEBRON VS THE SPURS
GAME 1: 30 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- SUPERB GAME 1 UP TO HIS STANDARDS
GAME 2: 21 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE THIS GAME, SAT A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES, MORE PROOF CALLS GO AGAINST KOBE
GAME 3: 29 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME, LAKERS WON, KOBE WAS BY FAR THE LEADING SCORER FOR LA
GAME 4: 33 POINTS, 6 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME FOR KOBE, REST OF THE TEAM LET HIM DOWN, LAKERS LOSE.. STILL DONT SEE ANYTHING WHERE HE CAN BE COMPARED TO LEBRON IN THIS YEARS FINALS, AND THATS 4 GAMES IN
GAME 5: 38 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER EXCEPTIONAL GAME WHERE HIS TEAMMATES LET HIM DOWN AND LAKERS LOSE, SECOND LEADING SCORER WAS GASOL WIT 12 POINTS SMH
GAME 6: 26 POINTS, 11 REBOUNDS, 3 ASSISTS- GREAT GAME, GASOL PLAYED LIKE A SECOND OPTION WITH 17 POINTS, SO LAKERS WIN
GAME 7: 23 POINTS, 15 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
ALSO, KOBE WAS THE LEADING SCORER IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE GAMES. LETS NOT FORGET, WE HAD THE LIKES OF MARIO CHALMERS AND DANNY GREEN OUTSCORING LEBRON IN THESE FINALS....AND THE EYE TEST IS REALLY WHAT SAYS IT ALL. KOBE STEPS UP TO EVERY BIG MOMENT WITH HIS HEAD UP. IF U TRULY DID WATCH THESE FINALS UDA SEEN THAT LEBRON HAS HIS TAIL TUCKED BETWEEN HIS LEGS OVER HALF THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN HIS TEAM LACKS MOMENTUM. WHEN HIS TEAM HAS MOMENTUM IS WHEN HE GOES ON HIS BEASTLY SPURTS AND STAT-PADS, BUT OVERALL, THE TENACITY IS NOT COMPARABLE TO THE TENACITY OF THE GOATS, AND THERES NO WAY 2 ARGUE THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.
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Why yes, it does work that way. You just said yourself, LeBron was struggling to get to the rim, so he was settling for jumpers, which you just said is not what he's known for. Yet, in those games, doing things he was not known for, he still shot better than Kobe. Has Kobe ever shot 40% from 3? LeBron just did. LeBron is known for getting to the rim, but his game has evolved, greatly. To say comparing LeBron and Kobe shooting wise is like comparing Shaq and Jordan is absurd. Check any site that breaks down shooting percentages. Kobe is only better last year than LeBron within 10-15 Feet. At the Rim, 3-9 Feet, 16-23 and 3PT all belong to LeBron. I could never make that case for Shaq vs. Jordan, now can I?
Where you lose steam is when you break down Kobe's games. You do not mention his poor shooting (and being a shooting guard does not give you the free range to shoot under 40% and not be held accountable for it.) You find everything he did well. Now, when you look at LeBron's games you just look at Shooting % and Scoring. There's much more to the game than just offense. There's much more to why LeBron struggled. When he did drive, the Spurs packed the paint. They were the physical team and even though there was a lot of contact when he went to the rim, LeBron didn't get many fouls called his way. Instead of forcing the issue, he would pass out to his teammates. They had some good games and they had some bad games. He is, after all, a pass first forward and did what he does best... Pass.
So here's a breakdown:
Game 1: 18/18/10 Now, you crush him for shooting 43% but he led his team in Points, Assists and Rebounds. He was the high Ast and Reb man for the game.
Game 2: 17/8/7 3 steals, 3 blocks. Scored 2 points less than the leading scorer, not quite as dramatic as you made it seem and again led the team and game in Ast.
Game 3: 15/11/5 2 steals. Only 1 point less than the leading scorer on his team. Led in boards and Assists.
Game 4: 33/11/4 2 steals, 2 blocks. No explanation needed.
Game 5: 25/6/8 4 steals. Tied for most points. Led in Boards and 2nd in Assists.
Game 6: 32/10/11 3 steals, 1 block. The "Choke" game.*
Game 7: 37/12/4 2 steals. No explanation needed.
This man was the all around leader in every game. Whether it was hitting the Boards. Willingly passing to a teammate. Defending (think about what Tony Parker did when LBJ was on him). It's not always about scoring.
*This asterisk is to notate that while you call out LeBron for choking in Game 6, you give Kobe props for his Game 7.
But a triple double, 32/10/11 on 11/26 beats 23/15/2 on 6/24 every day. LeBron had some turnovers but hit a 3 with 20 seconds. If I'm not mistaken, Kobe only hit 1 field goal the entire 4th quarter, but got to the line a lot. More proof that Kobe gets plenty of calls, especially when they count. So, again, why do you give Kobe a pass and not LeBron?
You do not really speak in Truth, more half-truth and opinion. All I can use are real numbers, my eyes and my brain, more than my heart. You speak of the good Kobe does and brush over the bad. You speak of the bad LeBron does and hardly even glimpse at the good.
These are not to say that LeBron is better than Kobe in the clutch, but that they're not far off. Final 5 minutes, +/-5 Points.
Again, it's not all about scoring. LeBron is Rebounds better in the clutch last year. Assisted far better. Protected the ball better. His +/- and Defensive Rating were ridiculous in the clutch.
You have a lot of knowledge when it comes to Basketball, but you have too much emotion involved in discussing all things Kobe and all things LeBron.
Chamillitary Click:
I think NIK just deleted his account.
I officially deem "whoisthis" the basketball guru of the forum.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 09:00:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on July 29, 2013, 06:27:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 03:48:19 PM ---This thread was based on a video talking about the Lakers getting the foul calls. It turns into a LeBron v Kobe thing because someone wants to deflect.
In the 2010 Finals, Kobe shot 40% or lower, 3 times. In those 3 games, he put up 73 shots and only making 24 total. But, despite his horrific shooting, which includes an amazing 3/20 from 3, Kobe still scored 73 Points. How does one score 73 points while only shooting 32.8% from the field and 15% from 3? We'll come back to that in a bit.
You say that LeBron gets the calls. You've crushed LeBron for his first 3 games of the finals due to his scoring. Well, he shot 38% from the field in those 3 games, still better than what Kobe did in his 3 bad games against Boston. 23% from 3, terrible, but better than 15%, right? Now, we've established that LeBron somehow still shot better from the field and from the 3 than Kobe, but we haven't looked at how they match up at the line.
Kobe
Game 2: 3/3
Game 3: 8/8
Game 7: 11/15
Finals overall: 53/60
LeBron
Game 1: 3/4
Game 2: 2/2
Game 3: 0/0
Finals overall: 31/39
But, I thought you said Kobe never gets the calls LeBron gets? I'm confused a little bit now. Kobe got to the line 26 times. Nearly 4 1/2 times more than LeBron did in their "Bad Shooting Finals" games. Kobe got to the line 21 more times for the series, that's 3 extra attempts per game.
Take out the emotion for a second. Take out the fact that you are a Kobe fan and not a fan of LeBron (all childish nicknames aside). Just looking at things evenly.
Does Kobe get the foul calls? Yes. Does Kobe have bad games even in the Finals? Yes. Has Kobe been bailed out by the likes of Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Ron Artest? Yes.
So why crush LeBron, but give Kobe props (or a pass), for the same things?
You are crushing LeBron because he's not shooting his 56% from the field every game (though it is called AN AVERAGE), but mention nothing about Kobe's atrocious shooting nights. You glaze over them. Remember this, Kobe's BEST shooting percentage in his career would be LeBron's 2nd worst. Maybe you glaze over these bad nights from Kobe because you are (unknowingly) admitting LeBron is a better shooter than Kobe? I mean, LeBron does have 4 seasons over 50% and Kobe has none over 46.9%.
I'm sure this topic will go on for another few days with the words like "Faggot," "Cocksucker," "Dickrider," "Nigga," "Youngin'," etc. being thrown around and adding nothing of value. And individual games will be broken down by the minute. And every mistake LeBron has made will be amplified and every Kobe mistake will be disregarded... I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
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BRO, UR COMPARING THE FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE OF A SHOOTING GUARD SCORER WITH UNLIMITED RANGE TO A PASS-FIRST SMALL FORWARD WHO IS KNOWN FOR SCORING MOST HIS POINTS RIGHT AT THE RIM...IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT. THATS LIKE SAYIN SHAQ IS BETTER THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS MUCH HIGHER. THATS FIRST AND FOREMOST...SECONDLY, THE FACT THAT LEBRON WASNT GOING TO THE LINE WAS PART OF WHY HE WAS CRITICIZED SO HEAVILY TO BEGIN WITH- HE WASNT TAKING IT IN, BUT INSTEAD SETTLING FOR LONG JUMPERS! THIS IS WHY HE'S KNOWN AS A CHOKE...AS SOON AS THE FINALS ROLL ALONG, HE BECOMES A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYER AND THE PASSIVENESS IN HIS GAME IS MAGNIFIED BY 100X...THIS IS WHY HE DOESNT GET THE CALLS- NOT BECAUSE THE REFS AINT ON HIS DICK, BECAUSE LORD KNOWS THEY ARE...HE SIMPLY DIDNT FORCING THE ISSUE - UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVIN MY POINT.
HERES A GAME BY GAME BREAK-DOWN OF KOBE VS BOSTON TO HELP U UNDERSTAND THAT KOBE CARRIED THAT TEAM, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ALA LEBRON VS THE SPURS
GAME 1: 30 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- SUPERB GAME 1 UP TO HIS STANDARDS
GAME 2: 21 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE THIS GAME, SAT A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES, MORE PROOF CALLS GO AGAINST KOBE
GAME 3: 29 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME, LAKERS WON, KOBE WAS BY FAR THE LEADING SCORER FOR LA
GAME 4: 33 POINTS, 6 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME FOR KOBE, REST OF THE TEAM LET HIM DOWN, LAKERS LOSE.. STILL DONT SEE ANYTHING WHERE HE CAN BE COMPARED TO LEBRON IN THIS YEARS FINALS, AND THATS 4 GAMES IN
GAME 5: 38 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER EXCEPTIONAL GAME WHERE HIS TEAMMATES LET HIM DOWN AND LAKERS LOSE, SECOND LEADING SCORER WAS GASOL WIT 12 POINTS SMH
GAME 6: 26 POINTS, 11 REBOUNDS, 3 ASSISTS- GREAT GAME, GASOL PLAYED LIKE A SECOND OPTION WITH 17 POINTS, SO LAKERS WIN
GAME 7: 23 POINTS, 15 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
ALSO, KOBE WAS THE LEADING SCORER IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE GAMES. LETS NOT FORGET, WE HAD THE LIKES OF MARIO CHALMERS AND DANNY GREEN OUTSCORING LEBRON IN THESE FINALS....AND THE EYE TEST IS REALLY WHAT SAYS IT ALL. KOBE STEPS UP TO EVERY BIG MOMENT WITH HIS HEAD UP. IF U TRULY DID WATCH THESE FINALS UDA SEEN THAT LEBRON HAS HIS TAIL TUCKED BETWEEN HIS LEGS OVER HALF THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN HIS TEAM LACKS MOMENTUM. WHEN HIS TEAM HAS MOMENTUM IS WHEN HE GOES ON HIS BEASTLY SPURTS AND STAT-PADS, BUT OVERALL, THE TENACITY IS NOT COMPARABLE TO THE TENACITY OF THE GOATS, AND THERES NO WAY 2 ARGUE THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.
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Why yes, it does work that way. You just said yourself, LeBron was struggling to get to the rim, so he was settling for jumpers, which you just said is not what he's known for. Yet, in those games, doing things he was not known for, he still shot better than Kobe. Has Kobe ever shot 40% from 3? LeBron just did. LeBron is known for getting to the rim, but his game has evolved, greatly. To say comparing LeBron and Kobe shooting wise is like comparing Shaq and Jordan is absurd. Check any site that breaks down shooting percentages. Kobe is only better last year than LeBron within 10-15 Feet. At the Rim, 3-9 Feet, 16-23 and 3PT all belong to LeBron. I could never make that case for Shaq vs. Jordan, now can I?
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WHAT ARE U TRYNA SAY? LEBRON HAS A BETTER JUMPER THAN KOBE? IF THATS WHAT UR TRYNA CLAIM, THEN U JUST SHITTED ON UR OWN CREDIBILITY. LEBRON SHOOTS HIGH PERCENTAGE FROM THREES BECAUSE HE ONLY TAKES THEM IF THEYRE WIDE OPEN SPOT UP SHOTS. HE'S NOT FORCED TO SHOOT OVER INTENSE DEFENSES LIKE KOBE...AND WHYS THAT? BECAUSE OPPOSING TEAMS GIVE HIM THE JUMPER. THATS WHAT DEFENSES WANT- LET LEBRON SHOOT. BUT AGAIN, U IGNORE MY POINT...HE'S A SMALL FORWARD AND A PASS-FIRST PLAYER, WHICH MEANS HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE WILL NATURALLY BE HIGHER.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 09:00:45 PM ---
Where you lose steam is when you break down Kobe's games. You do not mention his poor shooting (and being a shooting guard does not give you the free range to shoot under 40% and not be held accountable for it.) You find everything he did well. Now, when you look at LeBron's games you just look at Shooting % and Scoring. There's much more to the game than just offense. There's much more to why LeBron struggled. When he did drive, the Spurs packed the paint. They were the physical team and even though there was a lot of contact when he went to the rim, LeBron didn't get many fouls called his way. Instead of forcing the issue, he would pass out to his teammates. They had some good games and they had some bad games. He is, after all, a pass first forward and did what he does best... Pass.
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LEBRON AND KOBE ARE BOTH EXPECTED TO CARRY THEIR TEAM TO THE PROMISE LAND....HAVING BAD SHOOTING NIGHTS IS ONE THING. BEING SCARED TO SHOOT AND SCORING 10 POINTS LESS THAN UR SCORING AVERAGE DUE TO THAT IS ANOTHER.....AND FOR 3 CONSECUTIVE GAMES? COME ON, NOW.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 09:00:45 PM ---
So here's a breakdown:
Game 1: 18/18/10 Now, you crush him for shooting 43% but he led his team in Points, Assists and Rebounds. He was the high Ast and Reb man for the game.
Game 2: 17/8/7 3 steals, 3 blocks. Scored 2 points less than the leading scorer, not quite as dramatic as you made it seem and again led the team and game in Ast.
Game 3: 15/11/5 2 steals. Only 1 point less than the leading scorer on his team. Led in boards and Assists.
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THESE GAMES WERE TERRIBLE IF U PUT EM TO THE EYE TEST..THE REASON LEBRON WAS STRUGGLING TO SCORE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS NERVOUS AND NOT PLAYIN THE SAME GAME AS HE WAS IN THE REGULAR SEASON. HE WAS SETTLING FOR JUMPERS, HESITANT TO DRIVE, PLAYIN EXTREMELY PASSIVE ON A MAJOR SCALE...THIS IS NOT REALLY UP FOR DEBATE. TWICE IT LED TO A LOSS, AND ONCE, GOT SAVED BY MARIO CHALMERS (LEADING SCORER IN THE GAME THAT RESULTED IN A VICTORY LOL). MAKE EXCUSES ALL U WANT, BUT FOR "THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD" TO SCORE 18, 17, AND 15 IN HIS FIRST 3 FINALS GAMES IS NOT GOOD, NO MATTER WHAT WAY U TRY TO SLICE IT...AND NO, THE PADDED STATS DONT HELP NEITHER.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 09:00:45 PM ---Game 4: 33/11/4 2 steals, 2 blocks. No explanation needed.
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GOOD GAME FOR LEBRON, 1ST IN 4 GAMES
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 09:00:45 PM ---
Game 5: 25/6/8 4 steals. Tied for most points. Led in Boards and 2nd in Assists.
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A LOT OF STATS COLLECTED IN GARBAGE TIME, STILL ENDED 8-22 FROM THE FIELD (43%, AS OPPOSED TO 56% HE SHOT IN THE REGULAR SEASON=UNDERPERFORMING)...AGAIN, EYE TEST SHOWED LEBRON STRUGGLING THE ENTIRE GAME. EVEN VAN GUNDY STARTED CALLIN HIM OUT BY THIS POINT. JUMPER AFTER JUMPER AFTER JUMPER....CLEARLY WASNT PLAYIN THE SAME GAME WE SEE HIM PLAY IN THE REGULAR SEASON, WHICH RESULTED IN A LOSS.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 09:00:45 PM ---
Game 6: 32/10/11 3 steals, 1 block. The "Choke" game.*
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THIS WAS THE GAME WHERE HE WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE HEADBAND FELL OFF...I ALREADY SAID I'D COUNT IT AS A GOOD GAME, BUT IF RAY ALLEN DONT HIT THAT THREE, IT GOES DOWN AS A BAD GAME (HE COLLECTED A GOOD PORTION OF HIS STATS IN OVERTIME) AND THE SERIES IS OVER WITH LEBRON ONLY DOING GOOD IN 1 OUT OF 6 GAMES! WELL...I CAN TELL U ONE THING, GOD WAS ON HIS SIDE. CUZ ONCE TIM DUNCAN WAS BENCHED+BOSH HAD THE CHANCE TO GRAB THAT REBOUND+RAY ALLEN HIT THAT 3 TO TIE IT=LEBRON WAS GIVEN 1 MORE CHANCE... AND HE DID THE MOST WITH IT. STILL, I'M NOT GUNNA SIT HERE AND ACT LIKE HE WASNT STRUGGLING MOST OF THE TIME PRIOR TO THE HEADBAND FALLING. THIN LINES DONT EXIST.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 09:00:45 PM ---
Game 7: 37/12/4 2 steals. No explanation needed.
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GOOOD GAME, SALVAGED HIS ENTIRE REPUTATION WIT THIS 1.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 09:00:45 PM ---
This man was the all around leader in every game. Whether it was hitting the Boards. Willingly passing to a teammate. Defending (think about what Tony Parker did when LBJ was on him). It's not always about scoring
*This asterisk is to notate that while you call out LeBron for choking in Game 6, you give Kobe props for his Game 7.
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ALREADY SAID LEBRON HAD A GOOD GAME 6...I COUNTED GAMES 1-3 AND GAME 5 AS HIS 4 BAD GAMES. BUT NICE TRY.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 09:00:45 PM ---But a triple double, 32/10/11 on 11/26 beats 23/15/2 on 6/24 every day. LeBron had some turnovers but hit a 3 with 20 seconds. If I'm not mistaken, Kobe only hit 1 field goal the entire 4th quarter, but got to the line a lot. More proof that Kobe gets plenty of calls, especially when they count. So, again, why do you give Kobe a pass and not LeBron?
You do not really speak in Truth, more half-truth and opinion. All I can use are real numbers, my eyes and my brain, more than my heart. You speak of the good Kobe does and brush over the bad. You speak of the bad LeBron does and hardly even glimpse at the good.
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AS IF UR NOT SITTING HERE DOIN THE EXACT OPPOSITE..LMAO! ALSO, IF UR GUNA COMPARE HOW LEBRON IS TREATED BY REFS TO HOW KOBE IS TREATED, THEN SPARE URSELF THE REPLY, BECAUSE U COMIN WIT SOME BOGUS SHIT MAYN. KOBE GETS CALLS SOMETIMES, NO DOUBT....BUT IN REALITY, IT'S ABOUT AT A 60% CLIP OF THE CALLS LEBRON GETS, AND THATS REAL SHIT.
--- Quote from: whoisthis on July 29, 2013, 09:00:45 PM ---
These are not to say that LeBron is better than Kobe in the clutch, but that they're not far off. Final 5 minutes, +/-5 Points.
Again, it's not all about scoring. LeBron is Rebounds better in the clutch last year. Assisted far better. Protected the ball better. His +/- and Defensive Rating were ridiculous in the clutch.
You have a lot of knowledge when it comes to Basketball, but you have too much emotion involved in discussing all things Kobe and all things LeBron.
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I'M NOT A STAT NERD...I USE THE EYE TEST. STATS CAN BE MANIPULATED TO SHOW ANYTHING. I'VE PULLED UP STATS THAT SHOW KOBE WAS A MUCH GREATER PLAYER THAN JORDAN IN THE PAST...BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE EYE TEST SHOWED LEBRON TO BE EXTREMELY SHAKEY DURING A GOOD PORTION OF THE FINALS. NO STAT U PULL UP WILL DESCRIBE HIS NERVOUSNESS AND HESITANCY TO STEP IT UP AND CARRY HIS TEAM ON OFFENSE WHEN THEY NEEDED HIM MOST....BUT WATCHING THE GAMES, U WILL SEE IT URSELF. TO BE 100% HONEST, I REALLY DIDNT THINK ANY1 WOULD BE DENYIN HIS PASSIVENESS AND FEAR OF THE BIG MOMENTS AFTER DISPLAYING IT FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES.
Chamillitary Click:
Inadequate response at every turn. You lost this one.
Whoisthis is the guru.
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