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The Producer in Hip Hop is typically thought of as the person who makes the beat. But, when you look at say the Phil Spector, Quincy Jones and the like, they were orchestrating the musicians around them to create a sound, directing the vocalist to sing a certain way, etc. That is what Dre is doing. He's a Producer in a traditional sense of the term, not a beat maker.
Quote from: bouli77 on September 25, 2013, 05:01:55 AMQuote from: NIKCC on September 23, 2013, 07:43:39 PMhttp://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2011/08/docs_top_five_doc_ghostwritten.php1. "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang," Dr. Dre featuring SnoopD.O.C: "When ''G' Thang' was created, I was living in Agoura Hills, and Snoop and Warren G were living with me. In 1990 me and Snoop each took the beat to different parts of the house to write. Snoop went upstairs, I stayed downstairs, and we met back up in an hour. When he came back downstairs I said, 'Let's take this piece and put it here...This doesn't really work there.' It's really just like a jigsaw [puzzle]. And then I said, 'For the last line [of Dre's verse], let's put my name on there,' because otherwise I wouldn't get to be in the song. That's why Dre says: Like my nigga D.O.C./ No one can do it better."they both wrote different parts, but D.O.C was clearly the overseer of what was being written and what went where. as a matter of fact, he was pretty much the dre of writing on that project. money to the second part of ur post.agreed with the overseer part that doesn't mean he did the bulk of the work on G-Thang though cause at the end of the day Snoop still did the majority of the writing, D.O.C. was here to coach him and give him directions, so he's like a producer in his own right but in terms of quantity Snoop has done more than "barely wrte" for Dre as u said it before.wait, where did u get that "snoop did a majority of the writing for g-thang" from? cuz according to d.o,c, snoop went upstairs with the beat, d.o.c stayed downstairs with the beat, and they both began writing...they met back up after an hour of writing, and D.O.C decided what goes where and how to structure the rhymes.....according to his account, it sounds to me like a d.o.c did a bulk of the writing. but i guess ur goin wit the reliable death row credits d.o.c is much more of a writer than snoop, and we all know this...snoop wrote for dre, but not nearly as much as the other ghost-writers. it's common sense. how much do u really think snoop wrote for dre if he was using ghost-writers for himself? what u think d.o.c was doin the whole time when they were workin on the album? GHOST-writing....theres a reason they gave it that name.
Quote from: NIKCC on September 23, 2013, 07:43:39 PMhttp://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2011/08/docs_top_five_doc_ghostwritten.php1. "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang," Dr. Dre featuring SnoopD.O.C: "When ''G' Thang' was created, I was living in Agoura Hills, and Snoop and Warren G were living with me. In 1990 me and Snoop each took the beat to different parts of the house to write. Snoop went upstairs, I stayed downstairs, and we met back up in an hour. When he came back downstairs I said, 'Let's take this piece and put it here...This doesn't really work there.' It's really just like a jigsaw [puzzle]. And then I said, 'For the last line [of Dre's verse], let's put my name on there,' because otherwise I wouldn't get to be in the song. That's why Dre says: Like my nigga D.O.C./ No one can do it better."they both wrote different parts, but D.O.C was clearly the overseer of what was being written and what went where. as a matter of fact, he was pretty much the dre of writing on that project. money to the second part of ur post.agreed with the overseer part that doesn't mean he did the bulk of the work on G-Thang though cause at the end of the day Snoop still did the majority of the writing, D.O.C. was here to coach him and give him directions, so he's like a producer in his own right but in terms of quantity Snoop has done more than "barely wrte" for Dre as u said it before.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2011/08/docs_top_five_doc_ghostwritten.php1. "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang," Dr. Dre featuring SnoopD.O.C: "When ''G' Thang' was created, I was living in Agoura Hills, and Snoop and Warren G were living with me. In 1990 me and Snoop each took the beat to different parts of the house to write. Snoop went upstairs, I stayed downstairs, and we met back up in an hour. When he came back downstairs I said, 'Let's take this piece and put it here...This doesn't really work there.' It's really just like a jigsaw [puzzle]. And then I said, 'For the last line [of Dre's verse], let's put my name on there,' because otherwise I wouldn't get to be in the song. That's why Dre says: Like my nigga D.O.C./ No one can do it better."they both wrote different parts, but D.O.C was clearly the overseer of what was being written and what went where. as a matter of fact, he was pretty much the dre of writing on that project. money to the second part of ur post.
Quote from: NIKCC on September 25, 2013, 10:59:24 AMQuote from: bouli77 on September 25, 2013, 05:01:55 AMQuote from: NIKCC on September 23, 2013, 07:43:39 PMhttp://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2011/08/docs_top_five_doc_ghostwritten.php1. "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang," Dr. Dre featuring SnoopD.O.C: "When ''G' Thang' was created, I was living in Agoura Hills, and Snoop and Warren G were living with me. In 1990 me and Snoop each took the beat to different parts of the house to write. Snoop went upstairs, I stayed downstairs, and we met back up in an hour. When he came back downstairs I said, 'Let's take this piece and put it here...This doesn't really work there.' It's really just like a jigsaw [puzzle]. And then I said, 'For the last line [of Dre's verse], let's put my name on there,' because otherwise I wouldn't get to be in the song. That's why Dre says: Like my nigga D.O.C./ No one can do it better."they both wrote different parts, but D.O.C was clearly the overseer of what was being written and what went where. as a matter of fact, he was pretty much the dre of writing on that project. money to the second part of ur post.agreed with the overseer part that doesn't mean he did the bulk of the work on G-Thang though cause at the end of the day Snoop still did the majority of the writing, D.O.C. was here to coach him and give him directions, so he's like a producer in his own right but in terms of quantity Snoop has done more than "barely wrte" for Dre as u said it before.wait, where did u get that "snoop did a majority of the writing for g-thang" from? cuz according to d.o,c, snoop went upstairs with the beat, d.o.c stayed downstairs with the beat, and they both began writing...they met back up after an hour of writing, and D.O.C decided what goes where and how to structure the rhymes.....according to his account, it sounds to me like a d.o.c did a bulk of the writing. but i guess ur goin wit the reliable death row credits d.o.c is much more of a writer than snoop, and we all know this...snoop wrote for dre, but not nearly as much as the other ghost-writers. it's common sense. how much do u really think snoop wrote for dre if he was using ghost-writers for himself? what u think d.o.c was doin the whole time when they were workin on the album? GHOST-writing....theres a reason they gave it that name.i'm not saying D.O.C. didn't do more than what he's credited for (afterall he's the archetype of a ghostwriter), i'm just sayin' Snoop at the time did a little bit more than "barely write" for Dre. regardless of whether he had to use writers for himself later on, Dre is all about capturing the energy of the moment, and that's what he did with The Chronic, Snoop was on a rhyming spree at the time (I remember a Big Hutch interview with dubcnn where he said at the time Snoop would bust crazy freestyles like that out of nowhere when he was developing him before Dre really got involved), his style was innovative (didn't stay for long as he quickly went out of ideas and things to say) and everybody was jocking him, so it's not foolish to think that he wrote a lot for Dre for the Chronic, and that the lyrics were later rearranged here and there by D.O.C. who has always been Snoop's mentor. if you think about it, Snoop's lyrics nowadays are corny and outdated, but when it came out it sounded fresh as hell.. now i never said D.O.C. wasn't much more of a writer than Snoop, cause D.O.C. is a pure songwriter and skilled lyricist whereas Snoop is like a freestyler more or less who quickly ran out of things to say after his first album, but on The Chronic in particular, Snoop wrote a lot, and this time I believe the credits in that case, why would they credit Snoop, who was a no name at the time, over anyone else in the group ? it's not like he was in a position of power or anything.
funny thing is, thats what cats like okka and mietek really think
you shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.
Quote from: NIKCC on September 25, 2013, 11:51:58 AMfunny thing is, thats what cats like okka and mietek really thinkDid I said something like that?I've said Sam Sneed made the OG beat, Dre liked it and wanted to buy - Sam agreed to sell it for 20k and Dre redone the beat into "Keep Your Hands Ringin", that's it.I don't create conspiracy theories - everyone know's ghostwriting and ghostproducing was a common thing on Death Row. Soopafly was making beats for Daz, Kurupt was writing stuff for other rappers, etc. They all created something special WITH Dre overseeing everything.
Quote from: OG Classic Material on September 26, 2013, 09:07:31 AMyou shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.EXACTLYAND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINEDCOMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME.
Quote from: NIKCC on September 26, 2013, 09:18:33 AMQuote from: OG Classic Material on September 26, 2013, 09:07:31 AMyou shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.EXACTLYAND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINEDCOMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME. So if it so easy why Dre not do it yourself? That's the point. These producers and ghotswriters did most of the work. Dre just smoke weed and has good ear. But they have a talent. U can't make dope beat or write lyrics if u ain't got that. Lot of producers making beat from the scratch. And they deserve to the respect. Storch played piano in "Still Dre" and that's what everybody loved in this beat.
Quote from: pixtr on September 26, 2013, 09:52:58 AMQuote from: NIKCC on September 26, 2013, 09:18:33 AMQuote from: OG Classic Material on September 26, 2013, 09:07:31 AMyou shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.EXACTLYAND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINEDCOMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME. So if it so easy why Dre not do it yourself? That's the point. These producers and ghotswriters did most of the work. Dre just smoke weed and has good ear. But they have a talent. U can't make dope beat or write lyrics if u ain't got that. Lot of producers making beat from the scratch. And they deserve to the respect. Storch played piano in "Still Dre" and that's what everybody loved in this beat.I have to agree with this. Im sorry but its easy to sit with a producer and tell them what you want to hear or what you want something to sound like, anybody with any musical knowledge or any idea on arrangement, synthesis, chord structures etc can do that. Yes its true that none of Dre's producers got as big as Dre did but why is that? Dre was a household name and was already classed as a super producer since in the late 80's so of course he is going to be bigger then everybody else....he could fart into a microphone and release it as a single and people will claim its the best sound since "2001"But i suppose because we have a different point of view then it means we dont know im talking about right?? Dre has a really good ear for good music but without a whole bunch of other guys making music then he would have nothing but a drum beat. Dre is not a production genius, he is a arrangement genius, although i would not really call him a genius....making hip hop beats is hardly rocket science is it?