DJ Quik is not really a genius .. I´m sorry

[THETRUTHUG]

this may will offend most quik fans  (and i´m one)

but i dont think that quik ist that much of a genius,

the thing is, hip hop is a very simple art (prdocuing, ivolves no really instruments etc)

quik may be a dope RAPprdocuer, but as a musician he is a 5/10

if you listen to REAL music, u will know what i mean, and even in hip hop there are people who maybe are morge gifted when it comes to beats and instruments etc like ryan leslie or raphaeld saadiq..

nowdays just because u can play a little instrument, a few accords on a piano/guitar doestn make u a genius,
most qui fans are so impressed by the quik grooves, yeah for a hiphop artits, pretty mellew, if you listen to real jazz/blues, nothing special

so he is maybe DJ QUIK  America'z Most Complete (RAP) Artist producer (maybe in the top 5)

what you think..

[⠀]

this may will offend most quik fans  (and i´m one)

but i dont think that quik ist that much of a genius,

the thing is, hip hop is a very simple art (prdocuing, ivolves no really instruments etc)

quik may be a dope RAPprdocuer, but as a musician he is a 5/10

if you listen to REAL music, u will know what i mean, and even in hip hop there are people who maybe are morge gifted when it comes to beats and instruments etc like ryan leslie or raphaeld saadiq..

nowdays just because u can play a little instrument, a few accords on a piano/guitar doestn make u a genius,
most qui fans are so impressed by the quik grooves, yeah for a hiphop artits, pretty mellew, if you listen to real jazz/blues, nothing special

so he is maybe DJ QUIK  America'z Most Complete (RAP) Artist producer (maybe in the top 5)

what you think..

Take that bit in bold, walk away and consider how long Quiks been producing then come back, look at the bit in the bold again and listen to some of his compositions.

Whilst brotherman isn't Mozart by a long shot he sure ain't Swizz Beats.

[Diggfinger]

Well


Nuff said

[V2DHeart]

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Quik's genius isn't really about being a sole jazz musician or to be compared to them, but his genius is on combining key elements of Jazz and soul and incorporating them into a genre that isn't necessarily associated with those styles of music and making it sound cool, funky and legitimate, enjoyed by your average rap fan - Introducing a wider musical taste to an average fan if you like. Red rags, people who wouldn't be caught dead at a jazz concert, bumping Quiks groove 3 is proof of that

[bouli77]

you'd better prepare for Mr. Theo's wrath, lmao.

it's not like quik is the only dude in rap to incorporate jazz elements in his compositions though. i was listening to Master P & UGK's Break Em Off (produced by Pimp C & Mo B. Dick) in my ride the other day, shit sounded mad jazzy and yet hardcore and gangsta. classic song. JT The Bigga Figga's Dwellin' In Tha Labb album sounds mad jazzy too. that doesn't make Quik a genius, rather a cultured producer.

the word genius is used and abused, the term means nothing nowadays, just like the terms "classic", and "legend".

Quik gets my full respect and admiration though, but a genius ? I don't know, it needs to be debated.

[V2DHeart]

I think DJ Quik was more dedicated to it though for it to become his signature sound...... There "used" to be a time when we would see "produced by DJ Quik" and kind of have an idea of what to expect..... Now, we don't know what outer space shit we'll get

[LAC/EASTSIDE]

"He's not much of a genius"? So what is he? Half genius? 3/4 Genius? Medium Genius? Small Genius?

[Matty]

no need to apologise...its pinions. we all hear or do not hear different things.

[Okka]

So who do you consider a genius in the rap game and what do you consider REAL music, The Truth Hug?

[Matty]

So who do you consider a genius in the rap game and what do you consider REAL music, The Truth Hug?

well he mentioned ryan leslie & raphael saadiq as examples of people who are 'maybe' more talented at producing. i'd say that's highly debatable, i mean ryan leslie is great but his sounds don't have much warmth. i much prefer what somebody like dre or quik is doing with sound over ryan leslie. and that's from someone who really likes ryan leslie. raphael saadiq collab'd with quik and probably learnt from him some too, not the best example. his music and ear for sound is superb though, but it stays inside a particular genre.

i'd group quik/dre/timbaland/neptunes together as masters in the production game. they understand how sound-music work together above all else, where it becomes about energy, but with different nuances. transcendent of any individual genre. a lot of other people are either more beatmaker or more musician and you can hear it.

[bouli77]

i'd group quik/dre/timbaland/neptunes together as masters in the production game. they understand how sound-music work together above all else, where it becomes about energy, but with different nuances. transcendent of any individual genre. a lot of other people are either more beatmaker or more musician and you can hear it.

I'm pretty sure Quik learned more from working with Saadiq than the other way around. Saadiq is more seasoned than Quik, been doing it longer and has an incredible résumé. Let's Get Down is Quik's commercial peak but it's not Saadiq's.

I wouldn't put Quik on par with Dre, Timbaland, The Neptunes or Teddy Riley. Quik is a niche producer, a wonderful producer for that matter, but I don't think he's really more than that (which is already more than most can claim), I love Quik but westcoast heads usually give him more credit than he's due cause he happens to play several instruments and is replete with anecdotes about how he is articulate and worked with the best, no way he's on Dre's, Timbaland's or The Neptunes' level as a producer (although I prefer him over all of them but i'm speaking from a broader perspective than my own taste), otherwise he would have been more sought after. Quik is uncompromising, and by definition a producer has to be, cause he knows what it takes to craft a hit, tell rappers where to punch, coach them, etc. the problem with Quik is that he gave too much freedoms to his collaborators and they would sometimes turn songs that had the potential to be perfect songs into boring song. that Did Y'all Feel That song is a striking example of that. Quik spits a perfect verse, like a really flawless verse, and the second rapper drops an insipid verse and Mausberg's verse doesn't fit the song at all. You said Saadiq stays inside a particular genre, well Quik too, pretty much.

[Matty]

i'd group quik/dre/timbaland/neptunes together as masters in the production game. they understand how sound-music work together above all else, where it becomes about energy, but with different nuances. transcendent of any individual genre. a lot of other people are either more beatmaker or more musician and you can hear it.

I'm pretty sure Quik learned more from working with Saadiq than the other way around. Saadiq is more seasoned than Quik, been doing it longer and has an incredible résumé. Let's Get Down is Quik's commercial peak but it's not Saadiq's.

I wouldn't put Quik on par with Dre, Timbaland, The Neptunes or Teddy Riley. Quik is a niche producer, a wonderful producer for that matter, but I don't think he's really more than that (which is already more than most can claim), I love Quik but westcoast heads usually give him more credit than he's due cause he happens to play several instruments and is replete with anecdotes about how he is articulate and worked with the best, no way he's on Dre's, Timbaland's or The Neptunes' level as a producer (although I prefer him over all of them but i'm speaking from a broader perspective than my own taste), otherwise he would have been more sought after. Quik is uncompromising, and by definition a producer has to be, cause he knows what it takes to craft a hit, tell rappers where to punch, coach them, etc. the problem with Quik is that he gave too much freedoms to his collaborators and they would sometimes turn songs that had the potential to be perfect songs into boring song. that Did Y'all Feel That song is a striking example of that. Quik spits a perfect verse, like a really flawless verse, and the second rapper drops an insipid verse and Mausberg's verse doesn't fit the song at all. You said Saadiq stays inside a particular genre, well Quik too, pretty much.

i'd agree that quik hasn't always worked with the best collaborators, i think most would. but when it comes to judging genius i'm more talking about what comes through with his vision as a sound artist, the engineering element in producing, rather than having a catalogue of hit records. it's a very subjective thing, but i can personally hear more articulateness through quiks music than with any other producer.

maybe it's because the musical direction strongly resonates with me too, but what i hear through the sound itself is glorious, pure sonic artistry. a cetain way things connect, something you can feel by hearing just a couple of drum sounds or a few seconds of a record. not something that's easy to explain, but it shines through and you know it's him. it's very similar with dre where the genius is in the mixing and sonics rather than just the music/notation.

[TraceOneInfinite]

this may will offend most quik fans  (and i´m one)

but i dont think that quik ist that much of a genius,

the thing is, hip hop is a very simple art (prdocuing, ivolves no really instruments etc)

quik may be a dope RAPprdocuer, but as a musician he is a 5/10

if you listen to REAL music, u will know what i mean, and even in hip hop there are people who maybe are morge gifted when it comes to beats and instruments etc like ryan leslie or raphaeld saadiq..

nowdays just because u can play a little instrument, a few accords on a piano/guitar doestn make u a genius,
most qui fans are so impressed by the quik grooves, yeah for a hiphop artits, pretty mellew, if you listen to real jazz/blues, nothing special

so he is maybe DJ QUIK  America'z Most Complete (RAP) Artist producer (maybe in the top 5)

what you think..

I don't like your premise and I think it is a racist one when people try to suggest that somehow hip-hop is an inferior art-form.  Hip-Hop is the greatest and most genius art-form ever invented.

...that said, no, Quik is not a genius.  Quik is not even a legend.  I don't know why he gets so much props at the forum.  Sure, he is dope, very dope.  But he is not the caliber as someone like Daz, and not even in the same league as Daz.  Daz is a genius, not Quik.

[MOBNigga06]

DJ Quik is WITHOUT QUESTION a genius. If Quik is not a genius, then no one in hip hop is a genius. Fuck that shit.

Quik = Genius
Tupac = Genius

Other people come close, but these two are the only true geniuses in rap music in my opinion.

It's funny how there's a thread every month here saying Quik ain't that good. The only reason these threads emerge is that so many people here accurately appraise Quik's talent, and this riles up the haters. Niggas go and listen to Under The Influence, hear a couple wack songs, then get worked up and deny that Quik is a genius...come on now, that's madness. Quik is the greatest producer in the history of hip hop and one of the greatest rappers as well.

[Jimmy H.]

But he is not the caliber as someone like Daz, and not even in the same league as Daz.  Daz is a genius, not Quik.