WEEK 2 NFL POWER RANKINGS

[Hack Wilson - real]

1 Seabags
2 Broncos
3 Bengals
4 Eagles
5 49ers
6 Lions
7 Colts
8 Cardinals
9 Packers
10 Saints
11 Falcons
12 Patriots   (semi fluke loss to Miami)





bottom 5:


28 Giants
29 Cowgirls
30 Raiders
31 Rams
32 Jaguars
 




made a few updates

[Shallow]

Right now I think it's Seahawks at a clear #1, and any number of teams tied at #2.

Broncos played way too poorly in the 2nd half on offense, and the pass rush I expected to dominate the Colts o-line didn't really look that impressive. I expected a lot more from Von Miller. Their pass defense did look very solid with Talib and Roby coming in, and TJ Ward is a great tackler keeping WRs and RBs from breaking through for big gains.

But there were a lot of teams that looked as good as the Broncos looked this week. No team looked as good as the Seahawks. Not even close.

[Hack Wilson - real]

Right now I think it's Seahawks at a clear #1, and any number of teams tied at #2.

Broncos played way too poorly in the 2nd half on offense, and the pass rush I expected to dominate the Colts o-line didn't really look that impressive. I expected a lot more from Von Miller. Their pass defense did look very solid with Talib and Roby coming in, and TJ Ward is a great tackler keeping WRs and RBs from breaking through for big gains.

But there were a lot of teams that looked as good as the Broncos looked this week. No team looked as good as the Seahawks. Not even close.

i can't wait for the Denver-Seattle rematch....denver got a little less talneted on offense but a lot better on defense.  Seattle overall stays the same...losing Tate but getting Harvin back.

[Remedy360]

Right now I think it's Seahawks at a clear #1, and any number of teams tied at #2.

Broncos played way too poorly in the 2nd half on offense, and the pass rush I expected to dominate the Colts o-line didn't really look that impressive. I expected a lot more from Von Miller. Their pass defense did look very solid with Talib and Roby coming in, and TJ Ward is a great tackler keeping WRs and RBs from breaking through for big gains.

But there were a lot of teams that looked as good as the Broncos looked this week. No team looked as good as the Seahawks. Not even close.

i can't wait for the Denver-Seattle rematch....denver got a little less talneted on offense but a lot better on defense.  Seattle overall stays the same...losing Tate but getting Harvin back.

I always liked Tate so this isn't a knock on him, but Harvin is on another level. Obviously he has to prove that he can stay healthy, but as far as talent there's a huge gap. Harvin can line up in the backfield and causes coordinators teams to follow him around all the time when he's in motion making it much easier for Wilson, Lynch, etc. The core players on the team are also very young as far as guys like Russell Wilson so one more year in the league makes a difference. Same goes for the guys on the O-Line. If there's a concern it's on the D-Line after losing leaders like Chris Clemmons and Red Bryant, but the talent is definitely still there. Only time will tell as far as how the season plays out but on paper this team is more talented than they were last year.

[Hack Wilson - real]

problem with harvin will always be can you rely on him to be healthy for more than 5 games a year lol



makes rob gronkowski look like lou gehrig

[Remedy360]

Harvin's injury history is a bit exaggerated, his first three seasons he played in 15, 14, and 16 games. Been downhill since there though playing only 8 that last season in Minn. and obviously was injured most of the season last year. I feel like he's gonna hold up but yeah he has to prove it.

[Hack Wilson - real]

he's still a cripple

[Shallow]

Right now I think it's Seahawks at a clear #1, and any number of teams tied at #2.

Broncos played way too poorly in the 2nd half on offense, and the pass rush I expected to dominate the Colts o-line didn't really look that impressive. I expected a lot more from Von Miller. Their pass defense did look very solid with Talib and Roby coming in, and TJ Ward is a great tackler keeping WRs and RBs from breaking through for big gains.

But there were a lot of teams that looked as good as the Broncos looked this week. No team looked as good as the Seahawks. Not even close.

i can't wait for the Denver-Seattle rematch....denver got a little less talneted on offense but a lot better on defense.  Seattle overall stays the same...losing Tate but getting Harvin back.

I always liked Tate so this isn't a knock on him, but Harvin is on another level. Obviously he has to prove that he can stay healthy, but as far as talent there's a huge gap. Harvin can line up in the backfield and causes coordinators teams to follow him around all the time when he's in motion making it much easier for Wilson, Lynch, etc. The core players on the team are also very young as far as guys like Russell Wilson so one more year in the league makes a difference. Same goes for the guys on the O-Line. If there's a concern it's on the D-Line after losing leaders like Chris Clemmons and Red Bryant, but the talent is definitely still there. Only time will tell as far as how the season plays out but on paper this team is more talented than they were last year.

Outside of Welker not being there I'd say Denver offense against Seattle this year is significantly better than it was in the Superbowl. Clady is back and Franklin is playing power rather than protect. The right side o-line pass protecting also got a lot better. Except for not having a probowl centre, the o-line is among the best in the league, and right now the best Manning has ever had. Decker left but Sanders is much better, and Moreno left and while I don't think much of Ball, I still say that once Anderson gets a enough touches he will take the helm as best ball carrying RB on that team.

On Defense it'll be interesting to see if Ward can first catch Harvin coming out of the backfield, and second hit him hard when he does catch him. Roby showed a lot in week 1 and Talib also played great. But I need to see a lot more out of Von Miller by week 3.

But the game is in Seattle. I'm not expecting Denver to win but I can't see it being a blowout win for Seattle either.

[Remedy360]

Right now I think it's Seahawks at a clear #1, and any number of teams tied at #2.

Broncos played way too poorly in the 2nd half on offense, and the pass rush I expected to dominate the Colts o-line didn't really look that impressive. I expected a lot more from Von Miller. Their pass defense did look very solid with Talib and Roby coming in, and TJ Ward is a great tackler keeping WRs and RBs from breaking through for big gains.

But there were a lot of teams that looked as good as the Broncos looked this week. No team looked as good as the Seahawks. Not even close.

i can't wait for the Denver-Seattle rematch....denver got a little less talneted on offense but a lot better on defense.  Seattle overall stays the same...losing Tate but getting Harvin back.

I always liked Tate so this isn't a knock on him, but Harvin is on another level. Obviously he has to prove that he can stay healthy, but as far as talent there's a huge gap. Harvin can line up in the backfield and causes coordinators teams to follow him around all the time when he's in motion making it much easier for Wilson, Lynch, etc. The core players on the team are also very young as far as guys like Russell Wilson so one more year in the league makes a difference. Same goes for the guys on the O-Line. If there's a concern it's on the D-Line after losing leaders like Chris Clemmons and Red Bryant, but the talent is definitely still there. Only time will tell as far as how the season plays out but on paper this team is more talented than they were last year.

Outside of Welker not being there I'd say Denver offense against Seattle this year is significantly better than it was in the Superbowl. Clady is back and Franklin is playing power rather than protect. The right side o-line pass protecting also got a lot better. Except for not having a probowl centre, the o-line is among the best in the league, and right now the best Manning has ever had. Decker left but Sanders is much better, and Moreno left and while I don't think much of Ball, I still say that once Anderson gets a enough touches he will take the helm as best ball carrying RB on that team.

On Defense it'll be interesting to see if Ward can first catch Harvin coming out of the backfield, and second hit him hard when he does catch him. Roby showed a lot in week 1 and Talib also played great. But I need to see a lot more out of Von Miller by week 3.

But the game is in Seattle. I'm not expecting Denver to win but I can't see it being a blowout win for Seattle either.

I agree that Denver did upgrade their team. I was just making the point that (among other things) a healthy Percy Harvin makes this a completely different Seahawks team.

[Shallow]

Right now I think it's Seahawks at a clear #1, and any number of teams tied at #2.

Broncos played way too poorly in the 2nd half on offense, and the pass rush I expected to dominate the Colts o-line didn't really look that impressive. I expected a lot more from Von Miller. Their pass defense did look very solid with Talib and Roby coming in, and TJ Ward is a great tackler keeping WRs and RBs from breaking through for big gains.

But there were a lot of teams that looked as good as the Broncos looked this week. No team looked as good as the Seahawks. Not even close.

i can't wait for the Denver-Seattle rematch....denver got a little less talneted on offense but a lot better on defense.  Seattle overall stays the same...losing Tate but getting Harvin back.

I always liked Tate so this isn't a knock on him, but Harvin is on another level. Obviously he has to prove that he can stay healthy, but as far as talent there's a huge gap. Harvin can line up in the backfield and causes coordinators teams to follow him around all the time when he's in motion making it much easier for Wilson, Lynch, etc. The core players on the team are also very young as far as guys like Russell Wilson so one more year in the league makes a difference. Same goes for the guys on the O-Line. If there's a concern it's on the D-Line after losing leaders like Chris Clemmons and Red Bryant, but the talent is definitely still there. Only time will tell as far as how the season plays out but on paper this team is more talented than they were last year.

Outside of Welker not being there I'd say Denver offense against Seattle this year is significantly better than it was in the Superbowl. Clady is back and Franklin is playing power rather than protect. The right side o-line pass protecting also got a lot better. Except for not having a probowl centre, the o-line is among the best in the league, and right now the best Manning has ever had. Decker left but Sanders is much better, and Moreno left and while I don't think much of Ball, I still say that once Anderson gets a enough touches he will take the helm as best ball carrying RB on that team.

On Defense it'll be interesting to see if Ward can first catch Harvin coming out of the backfield, and second hit him hard when he does catch him. Roby showed a lot in week 1 and Talib also played great. But I need to see a lot more out of Von Miller by week 3.

But the game is in Seattle. I'm not expecting Denver to win but I can't see it being a blowout win for Seattle either.

I agree that Denver did upgrade their team. I was just making the point that (among other things) a healthy Percy Harvin makes this a completely different Seahawks team.

My response was aimed at Hack. I clicked on the wrong post to respond to.

As for what you said, I don't disagree with anything. Based on what I saw in week 1, Seattle is still a much better team, and I still wish Peyton had went with Carroll 3 years ago. We both would have been cheering for the same team to 3peat this year.

I'm not a Broncos fan. I'm a Peyton fan. As a team and coach, Seattle and Carroll are among my favourites. But Peyton's got a small window to win here and I want to see him do it. I'll be rooting for you guys once Peyton retires. We could chat for days about how you were robbed in the SB against Pit.

But you guys need to look out for Arizona, specifically is you lose or come close to losing to SD next week.

[Remedy360]

Right now I think it's Seahawks at a clear #1, and any number of teams tied at #2.

Broncos played way too poorly in the 2nd half on offense, and the pass rush I expected to dominate the Colts o-line didn't really look that impressive. I expected a lot more from Von Miller. Their pass defense did look very solid with Talib and Roby coming in, and TJ Ward is a great tackler keeping WRs and RBs from breaking through for big gains.

But there were a lot of teams that looked as good as the Broncos looked this week. No team looked as good as the Seahawks. Not even close.

i can't wait for the Denver-Seattle rematch....denver got a little less talneted on offense but a lot better on defense.  Seattle overall stays the same...losing Tate but getting Harvin back.

I always liked Tate so this isn't a knock on him, but Harvin is on another level. Obviously he has to prove that he can stay healthy, but as far as talent there's a huge gap. Harvin can line up in the backfield and causes coordinators teams to follow him around all the time when he's in motion making it much easier for Wilson, Lynch, etc. The core players on the team are also very young as far as guys like Russell Wilson so one more year in the league makes a difference. Same goes for the guys on the O-Line. If there's a concern it's on the D-Line after losing leaders like Chris Clemmons and Red Bryant, but the talent is definitely still there. Only time will tell as far as how the season plays out but on paper this team is more talented than they were last year.

Outside of Welker not being there I'd say Denver offense against Seattle this year is significantly better than it was in the Superbowl. Clady is back and Franklin is playing power rather than protect. The right side o-line pass protecting also got a lot better. Except for not having a probowl centre, the o-line is among the best in the league, and right now the best Manning has ever had. Decker left but Sanders is much better, and Moreno left and while I don't think much of Ball, I still say that once Anderson gets a enough touches he will take the helm as best ball carrying RB on that team.

On Defense it'll be interesting to see if Ward can first catch Harvin coming out of the backfield, and second hit him hard when he does catch him. Roby showed a lot in week 1 and Talib also played great. But I need to see a lot more out of Von Miller by week 3.

But the game is in Seattle. I'm not expecting Denver to win but I can't see it being a blowout win for Seattle either.

I agree that Denver did upgrade their team. I was just making the point that (among other things) a healthy Percy Harvin makes this a completely different Seahawks team.

My response was aimed at Hack. I clicked on the wrong post to respond to.

As for what you said, I don't disagree with anything. Based on what I saw in week 1, Seattle is still a much better team, and I still wish Peyton had went with Carroll 3 years ago. We both would have been cheering for the same team to 3peat this year.

I'm not a Broncos fan. I'm a Peyton fan. As a team and coach, Seattle and Carroll are among my favourites. But Peyton's got a small window to win here and I want to see him do it. I'll be rooting for you guys once Peyton retires. We could chat for days about how you were robbed in the SB against Pit.

But you guys need to look out for Arizona, specifically is you lose or come close to losing to SD next week.

Yeah, I actually remember you saying that. The Hawks really struggled at the beginning of 2011 but as they got later in the season you could tell that they were on the rise, even with T-Jack at QB they were a pretty tough team. After that season it seemed pretty clear that they were a good QB away from being legit. I remember being excited when I heard we were interested in Manning, I thought (especially after the injury) the idea of coming to a team with a running game/defense like that would be appealing. I was outraged when I heard he didn't even consider their offer, but it's worked out for the best. Obviously Manning would be great in the short term but who knows how long it would take to find a QB at the caliber of Wilson had he come here.

[Hack Wilson - real]

Denver has a better chance at winning @ seattle than anyone else does. 

Manning studies his ass off and I can see Denver going in there and winning.  By a lot?  no but Denver can still win.  They'll miss Welker though.

[Shallow]

Yeah, I actually remember you saying that. The Hawks really struggled at the beginning of 2011 but as they got later in the season you could tell that they were on the rise, even with T-Jack at QB they were a pretty tough team. After that season it seemed pretty clear that they were a good QB away from being legit. I remember being excited when I heard we were interested in Manning, I thought (especially after the injury) the idea of coming to a team with a running game/defense like that would be appealing. I was outraged when I heard he didn't even consider their offer, but it's worked out for the best. Obviously Manning would be great in the short term but who knows how long it would take to find a QB at the caliber of Wilson had he come here.

You could be right. If the D stays strong for the next ten years with Wilson they could end up with another 2 rings in that span. Hell, maybe even more. Had they gotten Manning, I strongly feel they would have won two years ago against the Ravens, and easily last year. But if they did 3peat this year Manning would probably retire and rightfully so. Then they would be stuck looking. Of course if they had gotten Manning I still think they would have drafted Wilson at the same spot and had exploded out of the gate once Manning retired.

[Hack Wilson - real]

hack wilson > russell wilson

[BiggSadot]

Saints = Broncos. I said it last year and Ill say it again. They mirror each other in so many ways and neither of them is gonna be able to do shit to the seahawks again.