did 2pac fucked up the quality of dpgs music?

[arubiano83]

Excuse my bad english..
in a lot of snoop/dpg interviews u hear them talk about how they admire 2pacs work ethic, and how he taught them to make 4 or 5 songs a day instead of how they were doing it before. (With dre the perfectionist)

And now we have like 10000 terabytes of rushed and sloppy doggpound music.
that quantity over quality maybe worked for 2pac, but people like daz kurupt and snoop need to take their time (and need to stay of the drugs ) to make classics..

Do u agree or do u think its bs?

[aerroc]

Excuse my bad english..
in a lot of snoop/dpg interviews u hear them talk about how they admire 2pacs work ethic, and how he taught them to make 4 or 5 songs a day instead of how they were doing it before. (With dre the perfectionist)

And now we have like 10000 terabytes of rushed and sloppy doggpound music.
that quantity over quality maybe worked for 2pac, but people like daz kurupt and snoop need to take their time (and need to stay of the drugs ) to make classics..

Do u agree or do u think its bs?

dont blame 2pac they should blame themselves those guys couldn't write a record in 10 minutes  they were jealous of pac

[doublee313]

Very good post. I believe your right about this with Kurupt. He isn't dropping heat like pac and the outlaws did. Pac worked hard and fast. Kurupt is sloppy and doesn't have the production team to work with anymore. Even with Terrance and Quik, Kurupt failed IMO. Last good album was Space Boogie but even on that he got sloppy.

Snoop is just bad at being in control of his albums. Not having someone like Dre, he makes some bad choices. A lot of bad choices.

Daz has just lost it. His flow and beats are this hardcore screaming style now which is wack. No more smooth shit. So So Gangsta showed Daz could do good again but he pissed off JD because he's an idiot.

[GangstaBoogy]

I've actually said this myself before. I do think that was the beginning of it, however drugs (Kurupt), ego (Daz), bullshit/drama (Death Row empire crubling) obviously had a lot to do with it aswell.

[Hack Wilson - real]

I think drugs had a lot to do with this as well.

[Sccit]

good thread...some people just aren't built to make that much music. pac had a lot to say, and all that inner passion needed an outlet, hence the insane work ethic....kurupt and daz dont have nearly as much to say and are naturally more relaxed, so it'd be ideal that they perfected whatever they did put out sonically as opposed to just putting out a bunch of interchangeable tracks with little meaning. and thats not a knock on daz or kurupt, because they still got hits....it just takes more diggin to find them hits when they doin too much. 1 classic album in 5 years > 5 average albums in 5 years. i wouldnt blame pac, though....but his influence definitely sounds like a contributing factor.  

[Sccit]

I think drugs had a lot to do with this as well.

drugs can bring out the best or worst in people....it's all a matter of how u use it.

[Will_B]

Good thread.

Without piling on the hate, I guess it shows dres influence on them vs Pac. It's ok if you're 2pac who was gifted on the mic as if handed to him by God (no Yuro). But Dre is a perfectionist and needs to spend hours/days/weeks on music. Nothing comes easy to him. He needs the team, the time and the tempo.

At the end of the day some artists need a constant overseeing, whether by manager, producer, exec producer etc. and crash and burn without it

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

I Blame time, and contents..and drugs...2pac aint got nothing to do with that

[Jimmy H.]

Without piling on the hate, I guess it shows dres influence on them vs Pac. It's ok if you're 2pac who was gifted on the mic as if handed to him by God (no Yuro). But Dre is a perfectionist and needs to spend hours/days/weeks on music. Nothing comes easy to him. He needs the team, the time and the tempo.

I don't think the Dre-Pac comparison is a fair one to make.  With DPG and Pac, you're at least comparing rappers but Dre has a different responsibility than Pac when it comes to the music.  Producing music has far more layers than rapping does.  Pac might write and perform several songs in a day but the people producing them are taking more time to get them put together.

With the DPG thing and everyone is going to have their opinion but we're talking different styles.  Pac is far more emotional and expressive.  He wants to get in there and get that passion captured on the track so spending hours to get the vocals right doesn't behoove his technique but DPG (at least in the Death Row era) are more melodic. Snoop has a smoother delivery than Pac so a producer is going to want to play around with it a little more so the vocals sound crisp.  With Pac, his music is driven by raw emotion.  If he keeps hitting the same line over and over, he's going to lose the authenticity.  If you listen to Snoop's verse on "Lil Ghetto Boy" for example.  It sounds like music.  The words, cadence, delivery, they need a certain rhythm to compliment the production.  With Dre/Snoop, it's about finding the right sound.  With Pac, it's the right emotion.  Apples and oranges.

[Sccit]

Without piling on the hate, I guess it shows dres influence on them vs Pac. It's ok if you're 2pac who was gifted on the mic as if handed to him by God (no Yuro). But Dre is a perfectionist and needs to spend hours/days/weeks on music. Nothing comes easy to him. He needs the team, the time and the tempo.

I don't think the Dre-Pac comparison is a fair one to make.  With DPG and Pac, you're at least comparing rappers but Dre has a different responsibility than Pac when it comes to the music.  Producing music has far more layers than rapping does.  Pac might write and perform several songs in a day but the people producing them are taking more time to get them put together.

YES...THANK YOU FOR REALIZING. RAPPING IS THE FUN PART.

With the DPG thing and everyone is going to have their opinion but we're talking different styles.  Pac is far more emotional and expressive.  He wants to get in there and get that passion captured on the track so spending hours to get the vocals right doesn't behoove his technique but DPG (at least in the Death Row era) are more melodic. Snoop has a smoother delivery than Pac so a producer is going to want to play around with it a little more so the vocals sound crisp.  With Pac, his music is driven by raw emotion.  If he keeps hitting the same line over and over, he's going to lose the authenticity.  If you listen to Snoop's verse on "Lil Ghetto Boy" for example.  It sounds like music.  The words, cadence, delivery, they need a certain rhythm to compliment the production.  With Dre/Snoop, it's about finding the right sound.  With Pac, it's the right emotion.  Apples and oranges.

GREAT BREAK DOWN...THAT WAS GOOD.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Good thread.

Without piling on the hate, I guess it shows dres influence on them vs Pac. It's ok if you're 2pac who was gifted on the mic as if handed to him by God (no Yuro). But Dre is a perfectionist and needs to spend hours/days/weeks on music. Nothing comes easy to him. He needs the team, the time and the tempo.

At the end of the day some artists need a constant overseeing, whether by manager, producer, exec producer etc. and crash and burn without it

Spot on...

This was exactly the angle that I was going to go with.  Like Sccit said DPG's style is just more laid back, chilling and shit like that.  Under Dre, their minds were just on music and trying to meet Dre's high standards.  2pac was a star in his own right and he would've been a star no matter what label he was on or who he worked with, but DPG was really a family and they all needed each other and starting out they really needed Dre.  Pac didn't need anybody.  DPG's quality suffered when they started trying to be like Pac and do so many songs and then even trying to be business men and shit like that.

It's funny in interviews hearing Snoop and Kurupt giving credit to 2pac for teaching them work ethic, and making so many songs in one day.  Making many songs a day doesn't mean shit.  Any rapper could turn out dozens of songs a day, or even an album a day if they wanted to.  What matters is the quality.  

...This is the shit that pisses me off about artists like Royce da 5'9".  The dude has like a billion songs, with great bars and verses scattered throughout, I can't even keep track of all the songs and albums he's done.  Yet, he doesn't have even one classic album, and he has never even gone gold (unless you count the sales he got from Eminem on Bad Meetz Evil EP).

I would trade one classic Royce da 5'9" album for all the 10 or so sloppy, hit and miss albums he has done.

[HighEyeCue]

at the end of the day DPG themselves are to blame...a lot of reasons already mentioned in this thread

[Will_B]

at the end of the day DPG themselves are to blame...a lot of reasons already mentioned in this thread

That said they get a disproportionate amount of hate on the board. I think the problem with the volume of stuff they've put out is their core fans have got saturated with their output over the years

[Jimmy H.]

That said they get a disproportionate amount of hate on the board. I think the problem with the volume of stuff they've put out is their core fans have got saturated with their output over the years

  I think context is also important.  We're comparing one era of Tupac to the entire careers of DPG.  Pac died in his prime so he didn't go through that all important career point where fans questioned if he was falling off.