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Sccit:
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on April 22, 2015, 11:32:37 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on April 22, 2015, 10:51:24 AM ---Nigga, you're bugging. It's very simple to understand. Just follow.
LA was the UK of the West for those three years. Yeah, the SEC this year had Arkansas, quality squad. LSU put together a nice team this year. So did Utah in 2008 & sure, even the Nuggets with two of the most ball dominate players on the same floor.
It's not was the East better than the West. It's you said "Cleveland didn't go through anything in 2007" & I'm saying "If Cleveland didn't go through anything in 2007 with Daniel Gibson & Big Z as co-stars & you're diminishing that, then the same can be said that the Lakers run for the three years after wasn't all that impressive either since they had by far the best team in the West".
YES the Lakers did play better teams the following three years, but compared to the talent & coaching the Lakers had to the rest of the West it was like Kentucky playing #17 ranked Arkansas. You can have NIK type up the rosters, it doesn't change the fact that the Lakers & Celtics were like 100/100 squads & the next best teams were like 89/100 & 90/100. To put it in perspective, Cleveland was like an 80/100 team in 2007, but they had to play teams that were closer to 80/100 & even a Pistons team they beat that was better than them.
Here's a final example because it's incredible how it's not understood...It would be like having a two different free throw contests with 5 people in each. The first one has a guy who shoots 95% from the line & four guys that shooter 80% from the line. The second contest, has all guys that shoot between 60% & 65% from the line. Sure, the first contest has better shooters, but the champion was already decided before they started shooting. The second contest champion had to go through teams similar to their skill & still won.
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I think you mistake how I debate these things to how Sccit does. I don't give a FUCK about making Kobe look good. I don't really care who the Lakers had on the roster than wins, as long as they win. Bottom line. I don't give a fuck who LeBron has or doesn't have. He didn't have shit, but he was playing against shit. And if you are the leader of shit, against shit, you should win if you are a superstar. I give LeBron a pass in this way, he was 22. At 22, it's hard to beat a team like the Pistons, even though Detroit wasn't as good. They still had 3 core players from the 2004 team and they were still the best in the east. So for that, I give LeBron props. But pass that, he always played in a weak eastern conference. Even with stacked teams, he barely beat San Antonio and lost to them the next year. The Lakers went through great teams in the playoffs. Kobe led the way. He had help, but you need help to beat those San Antonio teams. When LeBron got help, he was able to move on. But with the whole thing on his shoulder, he barely was able to break through.
So here is my ranking of players since 2000:
1. Kobe
2. Duncan
3. LeBron
4. Wade
5. Shaq
And I'm being generous to LeBron putting him over Wade and Shaq. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in terms of his playoff failures. But for sure, he's not better than Kobe or Duncan. That has been establish. And unless he has a huge run of MJ levels in his 30's, and his game isn't exactly an old man's game, I don't see him moving.
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u lost this debate the moment you started trying to prove yourself.....cham is better at debating than you are, give it up LOL
but yea, he's wrong either way.....like u said, the 8th seed was a 50 win team. thats insane depth. the lakers were superior to the rest of the teams in the west soley due to kobe. you put kobe on the nuggets and melo on the lakers, and nuggets end up with that back-to-back. thats all it comes down to.
Chamillitary Click:
I mean, talking like that is foolish. Because I know you'll hit me back with some lame, non-provable intangible about Kobe & how no player other than MJ in history would have won, but in reality, you could've put T-Mac, Melo or Allen Iverson on the first threepeat Lakers & they would still have been the threepeat Lakers.
You could've put Kobe on T-Mac's Magic or Melo's Nuggets by himself & he would of had the same outcome. Teams win. Always will be that way. Even though the incredible LeBron James & Allen Iverson came close by themselves, they still couldn't do it when they ran into a true team, fully contributing against them & some role players forced to be starters.
Hack Wilson - real:
if Iverson played with Shaq they'd probably have won 5 titles straight
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on April 22, 2015, 03:02:23 PM ---I mean, talking like that is foolish. Because I know you'll hit me back with some lame, non-provable intangible about Kobe & how no player other than MJ in history would have won, but in reality, you could've put T-Mac, Melo or Allen Iverson on the first threepeat Lakers & they would still have been the threepeat Lakers.
You could've put Kobe on T-Mac's Magic or Melo's Nuggets by himself & he would of had the same outcome. Teams win. Always will be that way. Even though the incredible LeBron James & Allen Iverson came close by themselves, they still couldn't do it when they ran into a true team, fully contributing against them & some role players forced to be starters.
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lmao wtf...do u realize that lakers barely squeezed by in 7 games during a couple of those three-peat years. and kobe was the one closing out games, with a similar output to shaq. you put t-mac, melo, or lebron on thos teams, and we'd have been lucky to win 1, let alone three straight....but u know that, now u just tryin too hard.
like i said, u replace kobe with melo...u replace kobe with tony parker...u replace kobe with deron williams.........and lakers WOULD NOT have won in 09 and 10.......and that goes without sayin. kobe was the difference durin those years.....just admit it.
Chamillitary Click:
"Kobe was closing out those games" LMAO. So Melo, T-Mac & Iverson were incapable of scoring late in games? They just never did it on that stage because they weren't privileged enough to play with Shaq, the Laker cast & have Phil coach.
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