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Quote from: Chef_YRD on August 08, 2015, 04:47:38 PMQuote from: LostAngel on August 08, 2015, 02:37:02 PMI just can't understand this Theo guy. What's your problem? That Dre's dropping an album after 16 years and giving it Comtpon name? Because DJ Quik didn't done that before him? He had his chance? Let's be honest, Quik can't top Dre or anyone can't top Dre with music. You can tell whatever you want but Dre is Hip-Hop. Dre is responsible for Pac, Snoop, Game, 50, X, Eminem... What else do you want? You're hating that album just because Quik isn't involved, if Quik had place on it you would kill us to death saying how good album is. Except Los Angeles area, Cali area nobody is interessted in Quik and you do know that. His time is almost over, ask youngsters about him, nobody would say a fucking word except "Who tf is that?". Dre is Dre. Even tho this album doesn't change the game like you've said, it changes everything. Only having Dre album after this long is changing the game. Everybody is talking about it, everybody is loving it. It ain't 2001-2-3 anymore, it's time for the sound he delivers with Compton. Youngsters don't want G-Funk. They want this sound so deal with it. First of all you can say he's responsible for whoever you want but don't sit here and say he's responsible for pac,pac had a career before him and only came in contact with him thru suge and pac didn't even like dre when he died and some time before it...and to be fair he was responsible for Em who was responsible for 50 who was responsible for game...quik might not be as big as dre but he has worked with and influenced plenty of new school artists from Dom Kennedy,YG,Kendrick Lamar,iamsu,teeflii,tay f 3rd,Ty dolla sign,game....like come off it dude I swear you guys just use popularity as the only indication of quality...theo has been referred to as a "quik Stan" but look at the facts dre stans are just larger in number don't think because riding his tip is the norm that it's not the same thing the dude doesn't even write or produce his own music...like I said before the only reason DRE is relevant is because he has whoever is at the moment ghost write or produce for him...really tho that's like saying Picassos pieces were painted by someone else but with his paint brush so he gets credit...All this talk of Dr. Dre is using ghost producers is just old rehashed groupie stories and unless you were in the studio with Dre you sound like a groupie yourself. Dre sometimes uses co-producers sometimes produces on his own just like your hero Dj Quik (Way 2 Fonky was basically a Rob Bacon production with help from Quik, all the bangers on Rhythm-a-lism was thanks to G-1). It's called collaborations, not ghost productions or stolen beats. Most producers that came from sampling background graduate to using collaborators (just like Quik). Anyone with half a ear and brain can tell that whoever Dre used as co-producer over thee years (from with he started with DJ Yella to whoever he uses now) the beats are still no doubt Dr. Dre beats and all have that sound so what kind of dumb fuck would accuse him of stealing other people's work?
Quote from: LostAngel on August 08, 2015, 02:37:02 PMI just can't understand this Theo guy. What's your problem? That Dre's dropping an album after 16 years and giving it Comtpon name? Because DJ Quik didn't done that before him? He had his chance? Let's be honest, Quik can't top Dre or anyone can't top Dre with music. You can tell whatever you want but Dre is Hip-Hop. Dre is responsible for Pac, Snoop, Game, 50, X, Eminem... What else do you want? You're hating that album just because Quik isn't involved, if Quik had place on it you would kill us to death saying how good album is. Except Los Angeles area, Cali area nobody is interessted in Quik and you do know that. His time is almost over, ask youngsters about him, nobody would say a fucking word except "Who tf is that?". Dre is Dre. Even tho this album doesn't change the game like you've said, it changes everything. Only having Dre album after this long is changing the game. Everybody is talking about it, everybody is loving it. It ain't 2001-2-3 anymore, it's time for the sound he delivers with Compton. Youngsters don't want G-Funk. They want this sound so deal with it. First of all you can say he's responsible for whoever you want but don't sit here and say he's responsible for pac,pac had a career before him and only came in contact with him thru suge and pac didn't even like dre when he died and some time before it...and to be fair he was responsible for Em who was responsible for 50 who was responsible for game...quik might not be as big as dre but he has worked with and influenced plenty of new school artists from Dom Kennedy,YG,Kendrick Lamar,iamsu,teeflii,tay f 3rd,Ty dolla sign,game....like come off it dude I swear you guys just use popularity as the only indication of quality...theo has been referred to as a "quik Stan" but look at the facts dre stans are just larger in number don't think because riding his tip is the norm that it's not the same thing the dude doesn't even write or produce his own music...like I said before the only reason DRE is relevant is because he has whoever is at the moment ghost write or produce for him...really tho that's like saying Picassos pieces were painted by someone else but with his paint brush so he gets credit...
I just can't understand this Theo guy. What's your problem? That Dre's dropping an album after 16 years and giving it Comtpon name? Because DJ Quik didn't done that before him? He had his chance? Let's be honest, Quik can't top Dre or anyone can't top Dre with music. You can tell whatever you want but Dre is Hip-Hop. Dre is responsible for Pac, Snoop, Game, 50, X, Eminem... What else do you want? You're hating that album just because Quik isn't involved, if Quik had place on it you would kill us to death saying how good album is. Except Los Angeles area, Cali area nobody is interessted in Quik and you do know that. His time is almost over, ask youngsters about him, nobody would say a fucking word except "Who tf is that?". Dre is Dre. Even tho this album doesn't change the game like you've said, it changes everything. Only having Dre album after this long is changing the game. Everybody is talking about it, everybody is loving it. It ain't 2001-2-3 anymore, it's time for the sound he delivers with Compton. Youngsters don't want G-Funk. They want this sound so deal with it.
The rest of the general public and industry - "Compton is incredible, probably going to be a classic"
Quote from: PLANT on August 08, 2015, 04:48:01 PMThe rest of the general public and industry - "Compton is incredible, probably going to be a classic"Would like to see the evidence to support this claim.I haven't really checked the hip hop review sites, but New York Times gave it a very mixed review. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/08/arts/music/review-dr-dre-compton.html?_r=0And for non-Americans, the NYTimes is the biggest newspaper in the United States. It's not a rinky-dink gossip paper.I think a lot of this comes down to a generational divide. "Compton" is basically Dr. Dre making a Kendrick Lamar album. Like, if anyone wanted to know what a Dr. Dre-produced K. Dot album would be like, well, now you have it.And the old school heads like me (I'm 33 years old) who were raised on funk in hip hop, especially in Dr. Dre's hip hop, are lukewarm at best with our reaction to this album; while the younger fans who love the Kendrick sound are naturally loving the continuation of that sound on "Compton" as interpreted/enhanced by Dr. Dre.
DRE magnifies new talent like some pro fucking scout.
10 years from now yall will be begging for the next "Compton" type album to come out.Stack this album up against any modern classic and what do you think then?
Some are saying that Dr.Dre needs to go back to his own flow.. but he's been using others flow his whole career for example when I listen Still DRE i can hear Jay Z all over it
Quote from: PLANT on August 08, 2015, 04:49:45 PM10 years from now yall will be begging for the next "Compton" type album to come out.Stack this album up against any modern classic and what do you think then?+1. A few of my own personal observations. Quick thoughts...I've bumped this on great headphones after drinking about 15 drinks the night it came out, low volume driving around my kids on Friday, and then again today using shitty earbuds, good headphones, in the car, and again in the house on a good system. Between each listen I find myself thinking about a new song. That tells me a lot about what I will think of this album one week from now, one year from now, one decade from now. Shit is vintage Dre all day and night. If people were expecting a Chronic sound, or a 2001 sound, he gave you a combo of both on the last track. That beat is at least 5 years old, by the way. Dre can make that beat in his sleep. The comparisons to Kendrick's album confuse me. I feel a lot more energy in Compton than in that album. For me, Compton has far more replay value, and is a more cohesive, flowing body of work. IMO, of course.I don't hear any trap on this album. DJ Quik's music has been a great blessing to many, me included. Legit. Love his work. But he himself said respect the god, more or less. Called this "the future of music." So his fans that really ride for him need to chill on the comparisons to Quik's past work, his skill set as an engineer, etc. Using the Dre album to enlighten Quik non-believers isn't the way to go about making those people fans of Quik. It's totally ineffective. Especially when Quik himself sees himself as a Dre understudy, for lack of a better word. The features and collaborations feel far less forced to me than all the Detox leaks, needless to say. There is genuine chemistry on all these tracks. Organic chemistry. Something all the Detox stuff was lacking. And something that 2001 was lacking from front to back, IMO. Chronic, of course, was as cohesive as anything can be. The features ALL. KILL IT. Every single one. And not in a drum solo type way. In a way that is a completely organic piece of that song's puzzle. I personally like that I don't know who is doing what on some of these joints. It makes the song the star. And each song ties to the one before and after it in a way classic albums tend to do. As varied as the production is on here, it all feels like one body of work. That's Dr. Dre. He's never been able to do that to this degree, in my opinion (tie varied production styles together over the course of an album). That's the true value of his engineering and production excellence. Every person you hear talk about this album seems to gravitate to a unique song. For example, Whoo Kid played Satisfiction today. The Em joint. Premier loves It's All On Me, All In A Day's Work. Etc. When you consider what mere mortals like me, my buddy, whoever think about this, each seems to be gravitating to a new song with every listen. That is the mark of great art, imo. A great friend of mine said Dre may not be so much a genius as an incredibly hard worker (contrary to many opinions in this neck of the woods). He tirelessly looks to achieve magical chemistry in the studio. He may have not found it for a long time with respect to his solo work (hence, Detox never dropping). But when he says the work started flowing and magic began pouring out the speakers over the course of the movie's filming, I believe it. This album is proof. It's the product of organic chemistry and it's roots and ambitions are as pure as any in music. Dre is a fucking billionaire. Further, he had nothing to prove. He only stood to lose by releasing any body of work. The fact that he put in that work for so long to cement his legacy and give his fans new product is a beautiful thing. That's sadly lost on a lot of people. People bitching that there isn't a joint with MC Ren and King T rapping about their glaucoma is fucking ridiculous to me. The content shits all over his past work, and will impact the longevity of this album very favorably. It's no longer fictional. "YEEEAH JUST TOOK SOME ECSTASY." Uh, no you didn't, Dre. You're not cheating on Nicole. Dre found out how to talk about important grown up content in a fresh way. That may have been his biggest obstacle over the years in crafting a 2001 follow up. He succeeded with Compton. You could see him trying to go down this route with Bishop (no name, no gimmicks, like Obie). Maybe the best example of what might have been from that era was Grown Up. But he still fell into the trap of making bullshit like Drug Test with the usual suspects. The new dudes (Justus, Paak, etc) made this work in a way the old dudes like Kurupt couldn't have. Same for the god D.O.C. He made a grown folks album. Abandoned all the old gangster shit, threw in some political content, gave the album an inspirational vibe, and wrapped it all up with incredibly tight and clean production that we are only now beginning to fully appreciate. I'm happy as fuck with this album and I'm happy it's getting some serious props out there. A couple of very loud voices in these forums won't be much of a roadblock to the momentum this work will carry forward.The best art isn't appreciated fully out of the gate. Paul's Boutique was met with some critical praise but fans wanted Licensed to Ill Part 2. Something to keep in mind. Dre always says his best work is ahead of him. Positivity is a good thing, but maybe in this instance it's misplaced or delusional of Dre to think that way? Regardless, if he felt like this is worth putting out there, a listener is doing themselves a disservice by passing negative judgement on this album too soon. (For those few contrarians that think this album isn't excellent)[/quoteNailed it. Great post
The best art isn't appreciated fully out of the gate. Paul's Boutique was met with some critical praise but fans wanted Licensed to Ill Part 2.
DubCC - "Dre is not rapping like he used to 20 years ago..." "This album doesn't sound like The Chronic or 2001..." " DJ Quik is better, makes better albums..."The rest of the general public and industry - "Compton is incredible, probably going to be a classic"Basically.