SNOOP DOGG - MISSIONARY (Official Discussion)

[hitsaw]

I think if snoop got another hit single like “drop it like it’s hot” he can sell records again.

[soopa-man]

I don’t think Snoop pushed his music like he used to and he needs to learn to listen what is going on out there as far as depth and how to offset and compliment the sound to break through that …

I truly felt Def Jam and Jay-Z bought the number 1 albums so he can place high but for 4:44 to get #1 I’m sure it was the same there were major rumors that labels bought their billboard sports especially def jam

On the other hand Watch the Throne sold like 4x Platinum


For Snoop to truly get a hit these days I think it’s possible he usually gets on a huge remix is part of a bit damn near year every year for a long ass time even in Spanish/Banda sound he got like 2 hits with Banda MS

But he isn’t selling much not even Eminem is on Billboard top 10 right now no hip hop album is currently… which is wild cuz no one has sold more than Em…. No one

[Detox Is A Myth!!!]

why do u think that is?

snoop is actually more famous than jay

but for some reason, jay still has the ears of hip-hop consumers

do you know why?

I'm interested to hear your answer. Imo, there are a number of factors.

1. Jay is from NYC, so he has a built-in advantage, since NYC hip hop has always been given more respect than other regions. Hence, Jay is considered more "real hip hop" than Snoop. Also, NYC is the biggest market in the U.S. L.A. is the second biggest market, so Snoop caters to #2 whereas Jay caters to #1.

2. Snoop ventured away from hip hop. He's more of a celebrity now than a rapper. He sells drinks and does shows with Martha Stewart and appears at the Olympics, etc. As a result, I wouldn't be surprised if teenagers nowadays don't really think of Snoop as a rapper, just as when I was a teenager, I thought of Will Smith as an actor first and foremost, not a rapper. Same with Mark Wahlberg and to an extent even LL Cool J (during his Deep Blue Sea and Halloween H20 days). I learned about these guys first as actors and THEN learned that they used to be rappers. Jay hasn't watered down his image, instead preferring to remain known as a rapper. Imo, this is because Jay doesn't have the potential to reinvent himself the way that Snoop has because Jay doesn't have the necessary charisma, but I digress...

3. Snoop doesn't try to sell himself with the image of being a really respectable rapper these days. Jay and his fans will always try to maintain the perception that Jay is "lyrical," whereas Snoop has never tried to be lyrical, which hurts his credibility among the hip hop intelligentsia and baccpaccer crowds. Snoop just doesn't spend marketing dollars on reaching those groups. As a result, they view him as a clown who wears goofy oversized Bootsy Collins glasses who makes bad albums with no substance/lyricism.

I could probably come up with some other reasons as well if I give it more thought.

[Gyruss]

Of course he can go platinum again with the right song. He's the most well known (and liked) rapper in the world and with Dre involved the hiphop crowed will also care again.

[Sccit]

I don’t think Snoop pushed his music like he used to and he needs to learn to listen what is going on out there as far as depth and how to offset and compliment the sound to break through that …

I truly felt Def Jam and Jay-Z bought the number 1 albums so he can place high but for 4:44 to get #1 I’m sure it was the same there were major rumors that labels bought their billboard sports especially def jam

On the other hand Watch the Throne sold like 4x Platinum


For Snoop to truly get a hit these days I think it’s possible he usually gets on a huge remix is part of a bit damn near year every year for a long ass time even in Spanish/Banda sound he got like 2 hits with Banda MS

But he isn’t selling much not even Eminem is on Billboard top 10 right now no hip hop album is currently… which is wild cuz no one has sold more than Em…. No one

eminem debuted at number 1 and will 100% reach platinum

[Sccit]

I'm interested to hear your answer. Imo, there are a number of factors.

1. Jay is from NYC, so he has a built-in advantage, since NYC hip hop has always been given more respect than other regions. Hence, Jay is considered more "real hip hop" than Snoop. Also, NYC is the biggest market in the U.S. L.A. is the second biggest market, so Snoop caters to #2 whereas Jay caters to #1.

2. Snoop ventured away from hip hop. He's more of a celebrity now than a rapper. He sells drinks and does shows with Martha Stewart and appears at the Olympics, etc. As a result, I wouldn't be surprised if teenagers nowadays don't really think of Snoop as a rapper, just as when I was a teenager, I thought of Will Smith as an actor first and foremost, not a rapper. Same with Mark Wahlberg and to an extent even LL Cool J (during his Deep Blue Sea and Halloween H20 days). I learned about these guys first as actors and THEN learned that they used to be rappers. Jay hasn't watered down his image, instead preferring to remain known as a rapper. Imo, this is because Jay doesn't have the potential to reinvent himself the way that Snoop has because Jay doesn't have the necessary charisma, but I digress...

3. Snoop doesn't try to sell himself with the image of being a really respectable rapper these days. Jay and his fans will always try to maintain the perception that Jay is "lyrical," whereas Snoop has never tried to be lyrical, which hurts his credibility among the hip hop intelligentsia and baccpaccer crowds. Snoop just doesn't spend marketing dollars on reaching those groups. As a result, they view him as a clown who wears goofy oversized Bootsy Collins glasses who makes bad albums with no substance/lyricism.

I could probably come up with some other reasons as well if I give it more thought.

the reason snoop doesn’t sell much all goes back to what dre said…

snoop simply does way too much … he releases shit regularly and puts out unconcentrated efforts year round … he oversaturates his image with watered down output .. unlike jay, who will put out 1 concentrated effort and then fall out of the public eye until he resurfaces… so it makes every appearance an event that becomes highly anticipated… where as snoop is constantly in the public eye putting out anything and everything .. so when he releases an album it’s uneventful ……..

then to make matters worse, snoop doesn’t have the marketing etiquette and promotional machine behind him … so jay-z has def jam to really push his albums properly, with concentrated singles, commercials, radio play, etc….while snoop has been releasing his albums independently and through small labels like empire etc…. which doesn’t have the same resources to give an album that def jam notoriety in terms of marketing

eminem is cut from the jay-z cloth, which is why his releases are events


and that’s why having this released on Interscope with Dre and Iovine in control creatively makes this potentially snoops biggest album in over 20 years


should be interesting to see how this unfolds

[tempo2]

I think this album will be way different in terms of popularity from his previous half a dozen albums for a number of reasons. Firstly having the dre/snoop collab instantly makes it more approachable for a mass audience crossing over into pop culture, that's just how it goes. Plus all potential tours/concerts that are possible off of the album.

[astra4322]

They have so much potential (Dre & Snoop) that Missionary may be one of the most important albums in rap game history.

[tempo2]

A big factor will come down to a lead single, if they can find a hit single that gains radio audience and global appeal then that is a big crux of how the album will take off

[Detox Is A Myth!!!]

the reason snoop doesn’t sell much all goes back to what dre said…

snoop simply does way too much … he releases shit regularly and puts out unconcentrated efforts year round … he oversaturates his image with watered down output .. unlike jay, who will put out 1 concentrated effort and then fall out of the public eye until he resurfaces… so it makes every appearance an event that becomes highly anticipated… where as snoop is constantly in the public eye putting out anything and everything .. so when he releases an album it’s uneventful ……..

then to make matters worse, snoop doesn’t have the marketing etiquette and promotional machine behind him … so jay-z has def jam to really push his albums properly, with concentrated singles, commercials, radio play, etc….while snoop has been releasing his albums independently and through small labels like empire etc…. which doesn’t have the same resources to give an album that def jam notoriety in terms of marketing

eminem is cut from the jay-z cloth, which is why his releases are events


and that’s why having this released on Interscope with Dre and Iovine in control creatively makes this potentially snoops biggest album in over 20 years


should be interesting to see how this unfolds

Oh, you're answering a different question than I thought was being asked. Sorry. I thought we were addressing why Snoop doesn't have the respect of the hip hop community the same way Jay does, and I still think that's because Snoop isn't "lyrical", makes a lot of goofy decisions that gives him mainstream appeal but dilutes his hip hop credentials, etc. I feel you when you say Snoop spreads himself too thin, so his music comes and goes and nobody notices. But that's because Snoop himself doesn't take it so seriously. I honestly think he believes in throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks, whereas Jay and Em believe in finely crafting their output and putting all their eggs in one basket. These are two different approaches to handling one's career.

I do get what you're saying, though.

[Sccit]

Oh, you're answering a different question than I thought was being asked. Sorry. I thought we were addressing why Snoop doesn't have the respect of the hip hop community the same way Jay does, and I still think that's because Snoop isn't "lyrical", makes a lot of goofy decisions that gives him mainstream appeal but dilutes his hip hop credentials, etc. I feel you when you say Snoop spreads himself too thin, so his music comes and goes and nobody notices. But that's because Snoop himself doesn't take it so seriously. I honestly think he believes in throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks, whereas Jay and Em believe in finely crafting their output and putting all their eggs in one basket. These are two different approaches to handling one's career.

I do get what you're saying, though.

well it goes hand in hand

if he didn’t spread himself so thin and put out so much unnotable music, then he would have a higher level of respect from the hip-hop community as well

[TraceOneInfinite]

the reason snoop doesn’t sell much all goes back to what dre said…

snoop simply does way too much … he releases shit regularly and puts out unconcentrated efforts year round … he oversaturates his image with watered down output .. unlike jay, who will put out 1 concentrated effort and then fall out of the public eye until he resurfaces… so it makes every appearance an event that becomes highly anticipated… where as snoop is constantly in the public eye putting out anything and everything .. so when he releases an album it’s uneventful ……..

then to make matters worse, snoop doesn’t have the marketing etiquette and promotional machine behind him … so jay-z has def jam to really push his albums properly, with concentrated singles, commercials, radio play, etc….while snoop has been releasing his albums independently and through small labels like empire etc…. which doesn’t have the same resources to give an album that def jam notoriety in terms of marketing

eminem is cut from the jay-z cloth, which is why his releases are events


and that’s why having this released on Interscope with Dre and Iovine in control creatively makes this potentially snoops biggest album in over 20 years


should be interesting to see how this unfolds

IF you go back to the Source cover from 98' when "Caught Up" was making its rounds with Kurupt and Snoop was like pretty much a free agent looking to release "When Doggy Dogg Comes" as a single for a 3rd album with Lady V, just after Death Row and before No Limit

I think the cover title is something like "Stranded" off Death Row or something like that.

Snoop talks about this very subject.  He says that Suge was always advising them "don't spread yourself too thin, don't spread yourself too thing" and limiting Snoop's guest and public appearances to always keep the fans wanting more.  But then Snoop was quoted as saying, "well then look at Puffy?  He on everything and he's still selling and ain't spread himself too thin" 

...And that was the turning point when Snoop started getting on any and everything from No Limit bullshit to guest appearing on every artist record.  In fact Suge even talks about this in the latest Collect Call.  He says Snoop believes the last guy who talked to him.  If he agreed to a million dollar deal with you for something a few days back and someone today comes to him with a different deal for a fraction of that money he will take it just cause that's the last person he talked to, that's what Suge says anyway

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[Sccit]

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[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

The best way to describe Snoop would be, Ghetto Fabulous. He could have been way bigger than Jay-Z but he lost his credibility in 1996 when he dropped his sophomore album. Outside of the fanbase and the west coast territory, Snoop Dogg only has one album with no skips and that's Doggystyle, they others are solid efforts and regional classics. Jay Z on the other hand, has multiple classic albums. And Snoop Dogg socks at picking the right single to push his albums.