SNOOP DOGG - MISSIONARY (Official Discussion)

[Sccit]

I’m guessing the work the Erick Sermon said he did for this album never came to fruition.  I didn’t notice his name on the credits anywhere.  Unless he worked on that track they previewed on drink champs that Dre said wasn’t finished….

probably sounded too funky for their liking

 

[Sccit]

I played this in the car with the wife this morning.  She said it was a good song but thats all it is.  there is no peak or anything and i agree it sounds incomplete.  Almost like i am waiting for the beat drop to happen and it never does.

it’s mind boggling coming from dre, because there is no structure whatsoever on that song

i really do think the divorce leading to that aneurism did something to him

it happens to the best of us

[kareemchin1977]

A couple of thoughts regarding this album:

Commercial Intent: It seems like a vehicle to promote their liquor brand, Gin & Juice and Still G.I.N. This strategy is similar to what the Rolling Stones have done, releasing albums to drive concert ticket sales. While an "Up In Smoke Part 2" tour would be a massive success, this album might be the next best thing.

Grammy Appeal: The album's collaborations with unexpected artists (like Jelly Roll and Sting) remind me of Santana's Supernatural album. It's a clear attempt to attract a wider audience and potentially win Grammy awards.  But this is definitely not for the Day 1 fans of Dre & Snoop. More like what Jimmy Iovine would drive around listening to.

Artistic Vision: without hearing the final product, these early tracks don’t give us confidence of a strong product.  Or maybe Dre doesn’t know exactly what he is looking for as he has been known to search endless until hitting an epiphany.  In an interview from a few months back, he said this: “And I’ll be honest with you, [perfectionism] is just something I use to waste time — not waste time, to buy time.”

https://hiphopdx.com/news/dr-dre-perfectionist-confession

[WCEric]

Numbers equals quality?

Not necessarily, I Wanna Thank Me was a good record.

[Mat]

What I find weird is no Death Row Artist on this album

[biggsnide]

Dre had said in an interview that this would be his best work and that he was a perfectionist like Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson for Thriller.

 I think he is trying to reproduce this pattern with an album in which we will find several genres: rock, pop, hip hop etc.
Thriller contained funk, soul, rock. Except that here the instrumentals of the 3 singles are more than average... I think he did not surround himself with the right people, he is too much in a delirium of experimentation.

[Tony Trey]

Dre had said in an interview that this would be his best work and that he was a perfectionist like Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson for Thriller.

 I think he is trying to reproduce this pattern with an album in which we will find several genres: rock, pop, hip hop etc.
Thriller contained funk, soul, rock. Except that here the instrumentals of the 3 singles are more than average... I think he did not surround himself with the right people, he is too much in a delirium of experimentation.

"Delirium of experimentation" is a perfect descriptor. He's all over the place. Nothing flows together. There's no unifying sound or vision thus far. I feel like after the divorce and the middling reception to Compton, Dre has put himself under a lot of pressure to release some massive, game changing album, thus experimenting with other sounds and genres. But, frankly, his talents are in hip hop. Not other genres. Why release a 3 star bland mixed genre album for the sake of experimenting, when you could release a 5 star classic hip hop album by doing what you excel at?

[WCEric]

"Delirium of experimentation" is a perfect descriptor. He's all over the place. Nothing flows together. There's no unifying sound or vision thus far. I feel like after the divorce and the middling reception to Compton, Dre has put himself under a lot of pressure to release some massive, game changing album, thus experimenting with other sounds and genres. But, frankly, his talents are in hip hop. Not other genres. Why release a 3 star bland mixed genre album for the sake of experimenting, when you could release a 5 star classic hip hop album by doing what you excel at?

Its not even that. This is current Dr. Dre standards.

[HighEyeCue]

I think like Sccit said, Dre just lost his touch is the most logical explanation

the other one has been mentioned before, that he has been overrated from the start and its the people around him that did the work

that might come up again if the album sounds anything like the first 3 singles

[PLANT]

I think like Sccit said, Dre just lost his touch is the most logical explanation

the other one has been mentioned before, that he has been overrated from the start and its the people around him that did the work

that might come up again if the album sounds anything like the first 3 singles

I think we should all wait until the album drops to judge what Dre’s current standard is.  I still fully expect there will be beats and music on this album that is superior to the current state of hip hop music.  I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong but I have no doubt there will be some absolute Dre bangers on this album and some neck snapping beats for us to rock to.  I’ll own it if I’m wrong.

[haliaeetus albicilla]

I think we should all wait until the album drops to judge what Dre’s current standard is.  I still fully expect there will be beats and music on this album that is superior to the current state of hip hop music.  I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong but I have no doubt there will be some absolute Dre bangers on this album and some neck snapping beats for us to rock to.  I’ll own it if I’m wrong.

it is actually still better than all other current music in my opinion.

if i i can find five new tunes that i really like every year im content.

this year gorgeous is already my most played song of 2024 releases; followed by a few tracks of tommy richman and marsha ambrosius, the eastsiders ep and that ill song by rakim and kurupt.

the sting song will probably my most played song this year end of december.
if you play it loud you hear the Dre details best; those subtle pianos and sound effects are fire; song is funky and melancholous at the same time which is rare in hiphop (but common for sting and the police though).

[Hellquist]

Where did Dre or Snoop say this album is the sequel to Doggystyle? If it's a sequel, it would be called Doggystyle 2 or Doggystyle Part 2.

It's 2024, not 1994 or 2004. The music industry has changed. The internet is as big as ever, MTV doesn't exist like it did back then. A video, promo, single, etc, it doesn't matter anymore.

This album isn't selling gold, platinum, or multi-platinum. None of these "singles" are going to be #1 or top the Billboard charts. It's unrealistic and delusional reading all of this shit since these songs came out.

"Missionary" is a funny pun for Doggystyle, it's just named that because it's the first Dr. Dre-produced album since 1993, has nothing to do with Doggystyle. Dre is damn near 60 in a few months, Snoop Dogg is the most recognizable face in the world and he is 54 years old. Why would anyone think this was going to be G-funk or west coast-sounding?

I would say temper expectations. Three out of 15 tracks,  many people on this forum are disappointed. We have no idea how this album will sound, most albums have songs like this, then the rest is different.

Last thing: Dubcnn and Reddit are vocal minorities, so all of this "we didn't want this" is silly to me. You don't speak for the majority. I bet anything that this album is going to get rave reviews when it's actually out.

Stop thinking this is 1994 or even 2004, the music business is pretty much dead, this isn't moving units, or changing the culture. Times have changed, we're in the streaming era. If this does 250,000 that's considered an achievement. Look at other artists that are so-called big, besides Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Drake, Taylor Swift, Travis Scott, Eminem, Beyonce, Adele, and some others, everyone is pretty much selling low 100,000 (being generous). Music doesn't sell anymore, it is ridiculous to see all of the "this flopped" or "it's flopping."

Do you know how much Ice Cube sold with Man Down in his first week? 20,000. This is Ice Cube, a movie star now, not a rapper in his prime. My only problem with the album is it's too damn short, 43 minutes sucks for a full-length album for Snoop Dogg, where most of his albums are always an hour long or more.

TLDR; It's not 1994 or 2004 anymore. The music industry is pretty much on life support. This album isn't going to be G-funk or 2001. This album isn't selling like Death Row in its peak. Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg are old, they're not rapping about gangbanging or fucking hoes. Get that out of your head and be more open-minded.

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

Where did Dre or Snoop say this album is the sequel to Doggystyle? If it's a sequel, it would be called Doggystyle 2 or Doggystyle Part 2.

It's 2024, not 1994 or 2004. The music industry has changed. The internet is as big as ever, MTV doesn't exist like it did back then. A video, promo, single, etc, it doesn't matter anymore.

This album isn't selling gold, platinum, or multi-platinum. None of these "singles" are going to be #1 or top the Billboard charts. It's unrealistic and delusional reading all of this shit since these songs came out.

"Missionary" is a funny pun for Doggystyle, it's just named that because it's the first Dr. Dre-produced album since 1993, has nothing to do with Doggystyle. Dre is damn near 60 in a few months, Snoop Dogg is the most recognizable face in the world and he is 54 years old. Why would anyone think this was going to be G-funk or west coast-sounding?

I would say temper expectations. Three out of 15 tracks,  many people on this forum are disappointed. We have no idea how this album will sound, most albums have songs like this, then the rest is different.

Last thing: Dubcnn and Reddit are vocal minorities, so all of this "we didn't want this" is silly to me. You don't speak for the majority. I bet anything that this album is going to get rave reviews when it's actually out.

Stop thinking this is 1994 or even 2004, the music business is pretty much dead, this isn't moving units, or changing the culture. Times have changed, we're in the streaming era. If this does 250,000 that's considered an achievement. Look at other artists that are so-called big, besides Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Drake, Taylor Swift, Travis Scott, Eminem, Beyonce, Adele, and some others, everyone is pretty much selling low 100,000 (being generous). Music doesn't sell anymore, it is ridiculous to see all of the "this flopped" or "it's flopping."

Do you know how much Ice Cube sold with Man Down in his first week? 20,000. This is Ice Cube, a movie star now, not a rapper in his prime. My only problem with the album is it's too damn short, 43 minutes sucks for a full-length album for Snoop Dogg, where most of his albums are always an hour long or more.

TLDR; It's not 1994 or 2004 anymore. The music industry is pretty much on life support. This album isn't going to be G-funk or 2001. This album isn't selling like Death Row in its peak. Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg are old, they're not rapping about gangbanging or fucking hoes. Get that out of your head and be more open-minded.

On point!

[rivoli]

They should have just waited and dropped the entire album instead of the singles.

And listening to these songs, they are musical... its not what most people expected

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

The whole ICU Team and can't manage to make a sound like that
starts at 1:00
Definitely a Detox sound for me, that's what you actually want to hear from Dre
and what I don't understand at all, Snoop founded the Legion of Boom, consisting of
Amplified
Battlecat
DJ Pooh
Fredwreck
Hi-Tek (Driving Down The Freeway (Feat. The Outlawz & Dion) unfortunately never officially published
MyGuyMars
Nottz
Soopafly (Ocotber London - The Rebirth Of Marvin & October Nights) / Most of the tracks were produced by him and everything was replayed, reinterpreted however, no samples
Terrace Martin (The guy is just too crazy, all the live projects and all the crews and projects he's involved in)
Warren G ( In The Mid-Nite Hour / The Return Of The Regulator, Of course everything that came before it anyway but don't forget Ice Cube Race Card
why are not included in this project
I mean everyone knows the guys' productions and they have produced some hits