SNOOP DOGG - MISSIONARY (Official Discussion)

[goodyoung]

so while a “still dre” type song wouldn’t get them gold in the first week nowadays like it did in 1999, it would be good enough to do AT LEAST current eminem numbers

Brother sorry but you are absolutely delusional if you seriously believe that and it shows that you're completely out of touch with the reality and the current music situation (which is understandable, but still...)

"AT LEAST current Em's numbers" damn....

the problem isn’t only in snoop spreading himself thin like u so vehemently proclaim.. it’s also in the quality of music and lack of hits.

I guarantee you, the problem here isn't quality. While Missionary is not anything special, it's far from a bad album. It's crazy naive to believe this would be doing any better if it was a G-Funk record.

Em dropped an absolute dogshit that is Revival back in 2017, and it still did almost 300k. That alone should tell you that the quality isn't the main factor in all this.

Compton didn't have any hits and wasn't exactly a "quality music" by Dre standards, ... Still moved 300k because Dre didn't stained his legacy by dropping 10 low quality projects every year

If this was a Dre solo album it would've moved 80-100K.

Tyler dropped a project with some experimental shit on it that sounded absolutely nothing like a west coast album, but still did insane numbers which shows that the "real west coast hip-hop consumer" is a very small minority

u can argue that all u want, but it’s a universal rule my friend

Bro I would love to see that universe in which dropping one good album after 17 years of garbage could make you the biggest rapper in the world again overnight...

[goodyoung]

I don't doubt that you're a real west coast hip hop expert and you certainly know your shit about it's history from what I can see. But I know my shit about the numbers statistics just as well as you do yours. It's sorta my thing. Trust me, there was no way this album was gonna be a success.

The only time I was wrong about the numbers was when I predicted Paak moving 70-80K back in 2018 and he only did half of it.

[jaytee]

I'm more than pleased with the album. It's one of those that I'm happy to just hit play and let it ride, which doesn't happen very often.  It's definitely a departure from their past collaborations in terms of style, but that is to be expected. Neither one of them is the same person that they were when they started making music together over 30 years ago and Hip-Hop as a whole has changed so much. It would have been nice if Charlie Bereal, October London or .Paak were on the album, but it's all good. 

Record sales don't really matter to these guys at this point in time. They are no longer making music to live off of. Neither one of these guys will be going broke any time soon. They are doing this for the love and for the process. Snoop's catalogue is so deep that he couldn't even perform 1 track from each release during a concert if he wanted to. Their legacies are solidified as well as long as they don't end up like Diddy.

[WCThang]

I think Dre putting out Marsha Ambrosius album is decent evidence he may not care much about sales anymore. No way he expected that album to sell. 

[Jay_J]

but that’s just the thing.. em is still selling huge amounts and debuting at number 1

did snoop water down his brand? sure … but still no reason that a snoop+dre album should be doing 20x worse than an eminem album

the problem isn’t only in snoop spreading himself thin like u so vehemently proclaim.. it’s also in the quality of music and lack of hits.

if dre & snoop made “still dre” + “tha next episode” in 2024 and “gorgeous” + “outa da blue” in 1999, then 1999 would been a bad year and 2024 woulda been the year they took over the game

that’s a fact

the west coast hip-hop consumer wants quality west coast hip-hop above all

so while a “still dre” type song wouldn’t get them gold in the first week nowadays like it did in 1999, it would be good enough to do AT LEAST current eminem numbers

u can argue that all u want, but it’s a universal rule my friend

if "thank you" would be promoted well with a music video and good marketing instead releasing the demo in drinkchamps a month ago before album drops, it would make a nice impact and sales.

[AftermathBeats]

Somehow it's really weird with the charts and streaming, the album is since the release on #1 of the itunes hip hop album charts in my country also in a few other countries, it's here the first time that Snoop is on #1 and still the numbers are not so good, is streaming calculated?

[AftermathBeats]

If you google for Missionary there are completely different chart positions and not #1 As if streaming doesn't count

[AftermathBeats]

if "thank you" would be promoted well with a music video and good marketing instead releasing the demo in drinkchamps a month ago before album drops, it would make a nice impact and sales.

Yes, you're right, music videos used to run up and down at MTV, that's not pushed anymore these days, in any case a real music video was missing for gorgeous or Thank you, no idea why they didn't make one

[AftermathBeats]

I googled again, the 36k are digital purchases or physical, stream is counted in the charts but not in the purchases? I know in my umfalls like work, no one who buys cd's or digital, only streaming

[thuglord]

I read funny comments of people saying this album is not selling so well because of the lack of G-funk beats or Chronic 2001 style, and because of the quality of mixing. Album is not top of the charts because Snoop has been releasing crap for the last 20 years. He would do better numbers as an actor than a rapper, at this point.

That being said, I really like the album and it will have replay value for sure. Even more than GNX, which doesn't sound west coast either.
What is interesting to me is the lack of any booming drumbeats in Missionary, they definitely sound harder on Casablanco than here.

[mlk93]

Dre said in a interview they did this album to have something new to perform in concert.So i think they plan to do a big show in 2025 because Em as dropped snoop and fifty will in 2025. And in this age artist make money on tour not with the albums sales. And if they make an up in smoke tour 2 with em dre fifty and snoop worldwide it will be full in all the countries.Dre as a plan and he warn us when they all did the kimmel show. Plus maybe xzibit to add to the list

[AftermathBeats]

I think so too, Dre didn't want now or never on the album because it has no stadium sound, there is even more planned for 2025 the album is only a part of it

[hitsaw]

It would be dope if 50 would drop on shady/aftermath again!

[Matty]

some of the blame needs to go on Outta Da Blue (and to a lesser extent Gorgeous). we're used to classic, banging beats from Dre as is the wider hip-hop listening community. no matter how you try and spin it this track was not it. yes the verses are cool but the beat with the weird sample is one of the worst things Dre has ever put his name on, if not the worst. there were far better tracks to promote the album with...

[Mista Rosa]

I personnally enjoy this album, flows well from start to finish, Snoop sounds really good on it.

I would buy the CD version if Thank You was on it. I wil wait for a re-release of the album with the track on it.

I hope Snoop Dogg continues to drop music with Death Row.