SNOOP DOGG - MISSIONARY (Official Discussion)

[Jay_J]

Anyone can find the instagram post of snoop which pressure beat was playing for a sec in the begining? It was 3 or 4 years ago if im not mistaken. It was snoops bday and celebrated in compound. Dre was there and playing pressure beat. Snoop said in an interview that dre laid the referance vocals for songs. So it was an old dre solo song and gave it to snoop.

[Detox Is A Myth!!!]

Ok, I just listened to the album for the first time and I see what you guys have been complaining about. Snoop sounds great. He's clearly putting forth great effort and is clearly invested in the project, but his rhymes don't sound like authentic Snoop rhymes, almost as if he was trying to rhyme like a different rapper than traditional Snoop Dogg. The music backing him up is bland and nearly every song feels like an album cut. Where are the singles? And, of course, nearly every song is too short, thus making the whole album short. This is better than Compton because it's at least listenable -- it's not bad, per se, like Compton -- but I find it to be bland, unexciting musical experience. It has its moments, but it's largely lacking musical inspiration. I would love to hear Snoop be this commited to putting forth a good performance in conjunction with a producer who has some musical inspiration. Dre has lost it, which is sad AF.

[haliaeetus albicilla]

so Jimmy had the right idea for a 1st single, a joint with Snoop and Dre rapping back and forth

but he didn't hear the beat?

They should make an outta da blue remix just like they did with the outta control remix with 50.

maybe same rhymes with the hey young world beat https://youtube.com/watch?v=IxLKTF2gQrs?si=YkktLwXfPIA5q2_X

Or at least without the watermelon fantasy vocals, schoolly d loop and mia hook

[WCThang]

I imagine we'll never hear the songs that didn't make the album.

[pennstate23]

I was about to say fingers crossed for an outta the blue remix. Don’t even care who does it if it’s dope. Having them rap back and forth was the right idea but that vocal sample killed it. Hook didn’t help either. They sounded tight going back and forth though.

Wish the beat change in fire was more prominent or they made a different song around it

The only other thing is I was hoping for a tougher beat on gunz n smoke. It sounds a little soft or not big enough for 50, snoop and em’s first collab.

Still think it’s better than Compton. Snoop is really rapping and I could never get over Dre’s voice and flow on Compton. Not to mention some of the effects he tried to put on others voices. Havnt heard it in a while but remember the vocals being more bothersome than the beast. On a side note talking to my diary is the dopest beat on either project.

[Detox Is A Myth!!!]

Still think it’s better than Compton. Snoop is really rapping and I could never get over Dre’s voice and flow on Compton. Not to mention some of the effects he tried to put on others voices. Havnt heard it in a while but remember the vocals being more bothersome than the beast. On a side note talking to my diary is the dopest beat on either project.

I agree. Compton is worse than Missionary, but Talking to My Diary is the best song across both albums.

I think the biggest sin that Missionary commits is that Dre had Snoop conform to Dre's sound rather than the other way around. As a result, Missionary doesn't feel like a Snoop Dogg album to me. It's very impersonal. It's a shocking miscalculation by Dre. He knows better. The producer should craft a sound that complements his artist rather than forcing the artist to adopt a sound that doesn't fit. It's a shame because Snoop did his part whereas Dre didn't.

[Sccit]

On bootleg kev interview snoop said dr. Dre mixed the whole the last meal album from top to bottom. But in credits he gets mixing credit for 8 songs. How is it possible?

LOLLLLLL

snoop probably thinks dr dre produced tha doggfather


hanging on to his words when it comes to interviews is hilarious

[HighEyeCue]

LOLLLLLL

snoop probably thinks dr dre produced tha doggfather


hanging on to his words when it comes to interviews is hilarious

remember when he said Nas was on the OG "Got My Mind Made Up"?

Daz had to correct him

[Matty]

I agree. Compton is worse than Missionary, but Talking to My Diary is the best song across both albums.

I think the biggest sin that Missionary commits is that Dre had Snoop conform to Dre's sound rather than the other way around. As a result, Missionary doesn't feel like a Snoop Dogg album to me. It's very impersonal. It's a shocking miscalculation by Dre. He knows better. The producer should craft a sound that complements his artist rather than forcing the artist to adopt a sound that doesn't fit. It's a shame because Snoop did his part whereas Dre didn't.

seems like Missionary is some new music (the pop tracks) and a bunch of beats already made that Snoop hopped on and Dre further develops/tailors through the process. i feel like he always worked like this - bringing out the cupboard of beats for artists but agree that most of these sounds don't really fit Snoop. he sounds good but if he doesn't sound like Snoop it's because it's a bunch of ICU writers that again don't really fit his style vs The DOC helping with his rhymes.

i like the album though, mostly good tracks and more replay value than his other ICU projects. i don't think Dre has lost it as a mixer (treble issues notwithstanding) but the point about musical inspiration is valid, the beats are bland and boring VS his earlier work with Storch, Batson, Elizondo etc. it's lacking tight melodies, it's this jazzy thing which is more of a producer showcase, that's great it's impressive from a producer standpoint but as for being timeless music it is not.

the thing about Diary is funny (Stat Quo said the same thing in an interview - Compton was wack apart from that track) because it's one of if not the only pre-ICU track that made it onto that project. clearly the material Dre was cooking prior to changing his team was vastly superior.

[heyyou]

I think the biggest sin that Missionary commits is that Dre had Snoop conform to Dre's sound rather than the other way around. As a result, Missionary doesn't feel like a Snoop Dogg album to me. It's very impersonal. It's a shocking miscalculation by Dre. He knows better. The producer should craft a sound that complements his artist rather than forcing the artist to adopt a sound that doesn't fit. It's a shame because Snoop did his part whereas Dre didn't.

I think this is a fair critique.
I think it didn't sound like a Snoop album because of the ghostwriters that were used. While the lyrics were a step up in my opinion, they don't appreciate Snoop's biggest selling point is his flow and charisma. There were some tracks were the old Snoop was there (Pressure).
The choppy drum loops (which I like in general) didn't help either. You need to have an acquired taste to appreciate them, but it's not universal which is why I think many people found it difficult to get into the vibe.
Also Dre needs to find a way to make this new sound/direction sound much warmer and not so souless. I think he's overthinking it when in the studio. He should let go and have fun and maybe that will reflect in the music.

I still really enjoyed the album regardless. I know it's not the sound/direction we wanted for a Snoop & Dre project, but it really works as a whole project and have regularly bumped it form the beginning to end.

I personally would love Snoop do redo some of his previous projects (redo the vocals and rewrite some weaker lines, replace some features), redo the production with better quality instruments/beats and some editing.
I think there's a good base for some on some albums like Tha Doggfather, Da Game etc to make it better. I was listening to Da Game is to be sold, not to be told, which was Snoop's weakest album, but still thought there was some heat on there but was let down by some factors that are easily fixable!

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

Feels like they picked the wrong writers for Snoop, the ICU team didn't study Snoop properly; the best song writer for Snoop is Soopafly. Also excluding the Death Row roster (new and old) from this project was a mistake, they would have brought that missing element; that dogghouse soulfood

Thank You being the best song on the album is also dated.

Although well produced,  I see this album as a failure musically.

[heyyou]

Feels like they picked the wrong writers for Snoop, the ICU team didn't study Snoop properly; the best song writer for Snoop is Soopafly. Also excluding the Death Row roster (new and old) from this project was a mistake, they would have brought that missing element; that dogghouse soulfood

Thank You being the best song on the album is also dated.

Although well produced,  I see this album as a failure musically.

I agree Soopafly would be a good writer for Snoop. He has a similar style that fits well with Snoop.
I have no problem with the old Death row roster not being on the alum (other than Rage and maybe RBX). They are just stuck in the past, sound very generic and uninspired.

[heisenberg]

remember when he said Nas was on the OG "Got My Mind Made Up"?

Daz had to correct him

i don't think daz can correct someone at all.

[HighEyeCue]

i don't think daz can correct someone at all.

[Jay_J]

Feels like they picked the wrong writers for Snoop, the ICU team didn't study Snoop properly; the best song writer for Snoop is Soopafly. Also excluding the Death Row roster (new and old) from this project was a mistake, they would have brought that missing element; that dogghouse soulfood

Thank You being the best song on the album is also dated.

Although well produced,  I see this album as a failure musically.

I think there are good bars and clever worldplays, i appriciate the ghostwriters. Also i heard old snoop dogg in some songs like hard knocks, thank you, pressure... i think his tone is very close to his tone in "the last meal" album. Snoop was already using ghostwriters in his wack previous albums. I like the way dre produced his flow, cadance, lyrics and tone. Snoop is really glowing on this album as one of the goats.