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As bad as some people are saying Missionary is, have a look at the amount of views and replies this thread has in comparison to Ice Cube and Kendrick Lamar. Obviously, it's biased because this forum is primarily for fans of the 90s but pricing this in, the amount of talk around Missionary is substantial. Also, the controversy of opinion is part of what can (and in most instances does) popularize art - in some cases making it iconic. Just an observation.I really take no issue with those who don't care for the album. It's simply not for you. Admittedly, it isn't even the record I wanted from them as I've explained before. But stepping over my own wants, I think the record is undeniably masterful for what it is, which is honestly much bigger than what I want. So as a fan who would like to see these two succeed at keeping the west on the map paired with taste in music that extended beyond the 90s in all directions - even it that means I don't get the record I want personally - I can look beyond my own nose. That's not to say I offer blind support. I did not like the Compton record at all. It had no replay value for me. I've listened to Missionary 8 times straight through since its release. I haven't done that with a record in this genre for quite a while (or even with this artist quite frankly), which I think speaks for itself in terms of how I feel about the album. I'm always rooting for these two and I keep an open mind to their creative angles, but if I do not understand a record in terms of what it's trying to accomplish, I have no problem saying so. That's not to say I cannot appreciate things I don't necessarily like. I don't like Eminem but talent is talent. The man has it and I understand his philosophy. But the Compton record just wasn't cohesive to me - in every aspect despite the musical talent involved in making it. However I will say that sonically, it's exceptional. I may not like what I'm hearing in terms of content or arrangement but the sound quality itself is stunning. To me, Missionary has a clear direction and message as a complete body of work. When the singles dropped, I didn't understand what that direction and message was - it had been too long and the pieces to the puzzle were jumbled and out of order. But once the complete record dropped and I listened to it in its entirety, everything became immediately clear. Missionary is grown up. It even makes the older material sound even older, which I think is part of the main point of this album: Evolution. With evolution, we see something different but familiar. Certain recognizable traits from the past that are part of the core but accompanied by never aspects that are required if survival is the goal. I think this album struck a very good balance between old and new in ways I hadn't thought of and wasn't expecting. You know exactly who you're listening to but everything around it is largely different. The record doesn't get to far away from you though - certain familiar sounds sprinkled throughout remind me of the record I wanted without actually giving it to me. The lyrics do this too in tandem. That's a brilliant way to make use of an open mind and keep the listener engaged and intrigued - it's a musical way of asking for trust and holding the listener's hand through something new. Ultimately, the final decision is the listener's but this clever method scores major points and gets the listener through the record without just shutting it off or skipping around a lot. That technique alone - whether you like the record or not - is a sort of genius that helps make any record that employs it demand respect. And part of any great work of art is respect. Just my two cents.
sly is a fire writer and wrote some insane shit for detox, hes not a nate dogg impersonator at all, thats just a weak excuse to diss him. yall judging leftover leaks when nothing real has ever leaked. all the leaks as they are right now are all 10/10 before comparing them to actual detox songs. all 10s right now but only a 6/10 compared to real shit, thats how fire detox was. yall just been fed alot of bad and wrong info over the years and its ruined yall perception of how incredible detox was. maybe some day yall will get a chance to hear some of the real shit, surprised a bunch of them havent leaked cuz people have had them since 2007.
Then it's still good for Snoop, take a look at the top 20 what society hears today. #1 Stray Kids lol
That slim tha mobster video is probably one of my favorites from that time period
Its the banger of all banger dear lord what a monster beat!!!!!
there is a guy in the video who Dre was fucking with at the time bringing these big drums and orchestral sounds.another example
As bad as some people are saying Missionary is, have a look at the amount of views and replies this thread has in comparison to Ice Cube and Kendrick Lamar. Obviously, it's biased because this forum is primarily for fans of the 90s but pricing this in, the amount of talk around Missionary is substantial. Also, the controversy of opinion is part of what can (and in most instances does) popularize art - in some cases making it iconic. Just an observation.I really take no issue with those who don't care for the album. It's simply not for you. Admittedly, it isn't even the record I wanted from them as I've explained before. But stepping over my own wants, I think the record is undeniably masterful for what it is, which is honestly much bigger than what I want. So as a fan who would like to see these two succeed at keeping the west on the map paired with tastes in music that extends beyond the 90s in all directions - even it that means I don't get the record I want personally - I can look beyond my own nose. That's not to say I offer blind support. I did not like the Compton record at all. It had no replay value for me. I've listened to Missionary 8 times straight through since its release. I haven't done that with a record in this genre for quite a while (or even with this artist quite frankly), which I think speaks for itself in terms of how I feel about the album. I'm always rooting for these two and I keep an open mind to their creative angles, but if I do not understand a record in terms of what it's trying to accomplish, I have no problem saying so. That's not to say I cannot appreciate things I don't necessarily like. I don't like Eminem but talent is talent. The man has it and I understand his philosophy. But the Compton record just wasn't cohesive to me - in every aspect despite the musical talent involved in making it. However I will say that sonically, it's exceptional. I may not like what I'm hearing in terms of content or arrangement but the sound quality itself is stunning. To me, Missionary has a clear direction and message as a complete body of work. When the singles dropped, I didn't understand what that direction and message was - it had been too long and the pieces to the puzzle were jumbled and out of order. But once the complete record dropped and I listened to it in its entirety, everything became immediately clear. Missionary is grown up. It even makes the older material sound even older, which I think is part of the main point of this album: Evolution. With evolution, we see something different but familiar. Certain recognizable traits from the past that are part of the core but accompanied by newer aspects that are required if survival is the goal. I think this album struck a very good balance between old and new in ways I hadn't thought of and wasn't expecting. You know exactly who you're listening to but everything around it is largely different. The record doesn't get to far away from you though - certain familiar sounds sprinkled throughout remind me of the record I wanted without actually giving it to me. The lyrics do this too in tandem. That's a brilliant way to make use of an open mind and keep the listener engaged and intrigued - it's a musical way of asking for trust and holding the listener's hand through something new. Ultimately, the final decision is the listener's but this clever method scores major points and gets the listener through the record without just shutting it off or skipping around a lot. That technique alone - whether you like the record or not - is a sort of genius that helps make any record that employs it demand respect. And part of any great work of art is respect. Just my two cents.
This pretty much sums up how I feel perfectly!Is it the sound that/direction I expected or wanted? No. I couldn't understand the project initially when the singles dropped and was a little worried when I heard all the snippets on itunes.However, one I heard the whole album from beginning to end, I thought this isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Once I got over the totally different change in direction/vibe of what I wanted/expected, I really got into it.It really works as one whole project instead of individual songs, and i've listened to it from beginning to end almost every day!It lacks individual bangers but the album is definitely a hit for me.The short length of the tracks (and overall the album), is now understandable. Any longer and I don't think it will work quite as well.I was listening to some of Snoop's previous albums (later releases) like Neva Left, and they really sound bland, inconsistent and slapped together in comparison.
Bought the vinyl and listened to it a bunch the past week. I will say this one does get better with time. Once you get over the fact that it's not Doggystyle II and sounds nothing like the old Death Row sound, it's really not that bad of an album. Snoop's flow hasn't sounded this good in decades. It has some good replay value. Very few skips for me. In contrast, Ice Cube's new album, i liked about 4 or 5 songs and they blew me away when i first heard them, and i'm already tired of listening to them.
great.. now you can buy the Hibernation Shivers vinyl and force yourself to like that one too 35% off through New Years wit promo code holidays
You don't need to go in between all the time, let people hear and buy what they want, just because you don't like it, slowly I think that this forum has become an advertising campaign just for you and is no longer a free forum
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