SNOOP DOGG - MISSIONARY (Official Discussion)

[HighEyeCue]

Poor replay value on this album. Same with Marsha's, which is weird because her other albums are great in the R&B genre. The same thing happened ith Anderson Paak, he released  an album shortly after the one with Dre's involvement and it had a better reception. Maybe Dre lost it?

tbh I wasn't a huge fan of the album anyway so its not like I was going to revisit it much

currently I got tha Doggfather bumping in the system and this non Dre produced album's beats sound better to me than the beats on Missionary...go figure

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

tbh I wasn't a huge fan of the album anyway so its not like I was going to revisit it much

currently I got tha Doggfather bumping in the system and this non Dre produced album's beats sound better to me than the beats on Missionary...go figure

It's missing that soulfulness , Snoop is all about vibes and grooves and this album is missing that. To me Dr.Dre is about great sounds and impeccable engineering, but when it comes to the musicality,  he doesn't have it like that. He would do great at scoring movies and games. If Missionary was done by SNOOP X QUIK, the result would have been way better in my humble opinion.

[Lucifuge]

Someone needs to clear this. Whos better than eminem?

[jman91331]

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It's missing that soulfulness , Snoop is all about vibes and grooves and this album is missing that. To me Dr.Dre is about great sounds and impeccable engineering, but when it comes to the musicality,  he doesn't have it like that. He would do great at scoring movies and games. If Missionary was done by SNOOP X QUIK, the result would have been way better in my humble opinion.

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If you didn't like the Dre production on Missionary, you mean to tell me you'd be fine with a Quik produced version, are you kidding me?  Have you not heard his last 3 projects (Midnite Life, Rosecrans, and those recycled beats he did on Chupacabra) he fell off. I'm one of the biggest Quik fans around but the truth is the truth. Him and Snoop never really clocked except for Don't Tell (and maybe the 1st some off Ego Trippin) they styles don't mesh

[D-TalkX]

Poor replay value on this album. Same with Marsha's, which is weird because her other albums are great in the R&B genre. The same thing happened ith Anderson Paak, he released  an album shortly after the one with Dre's involvement and it had a better reception. Maybe Dre lost it?

That's where I'm at right now but a few tracks will make the rotation for sure. I personally thought Marsha's album was one of the weakest Dre's ever done. I was hoping it'd be a different direction for Missionary but definitely similarities.

How are there no Time Machine's yet? Take me back

[thegooddoc]

author=jman91331 link=topic=340652.msg3200285#msg3200285 date=1735420593]
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If you didn't like the Dre production on Missionary, you mean to tell me you'd be fine with a Quik produced version, are you kidding me?  Have you not heard his last 3 projects (Midnite Life, Rosecrans, and those recycled beats he did on Chupacabra) he fell off. I'm one of the biggest Quik fans around but the truth is the truth. Him and Snoop never really clocked except for Don't Tell (and maybe the 1st some off Ego Trippin) they styles don't mesh

Unfortunately, I agree with this.  Quik is a legend and one of the best that has ever done it.  But Quik's best work was with Rob Bacon and G-One.  He is a shell of his former self as a producer right now.   

[Sccit]

author=jman91331 link=topic=340652.msg3200285#msg3200285 date=1735420593]
If.

If you didn't like the Dre production on Missionary, you mean to tell me you'd be fine with a Quik produced version, are you kidding me?  Have you not heard his last 3 projects (Midnite Life, Rosecrans, and those recycled beats he did on Chupacabra) he fell off. I'm one of the biggest Quik fans around but the truth is the truth. Him and Snoop never really clocked except for Don't Tell (and maybe the 1st some off Ego Trippin) they styles don't mesh

midnite life was great and rosecrans was arguably a classic

[dacheezebat]

There was nothing worth tripping over here, I played this album twice, put it away and will not be going back to it for years!!! Nothing stood out… Complete flop imo!

Missionary = Anal ass rape

[D-TalkX]

midnite life was great and rosecrans was arguably a classic

I thought Midnight Life had a few slappers but was just ok...Rosecrans was solid for sure

[TraceOneInfinite]

There was nothing worth tripping over here, I played this album twice, put it away and will not be going back to it for years!!! Nothing stood out… Complete flop imo!

Missionary = Anal ass rape

I haven't listened to it since I gave it a full playthrough, and bumped the Sting song on repeat a few times, and now I haven't gone back to it.

The old motif in rap used to be that a rapper would be hungry and struggle his way up the underground and finally breakthrough and become platinum.  Then he would get surrounded by a lot of "yes man" -- distance himself from the streets and lose traction.  Then the follow up to the platinum record would be a flop.  Sort of like the Doggystyle to Doggfather transition.

This scenario is like 10X what we used to see in the traditional days of rapper when everything was more simple.  We've really never seen anything like this.  I mean, Snoop is more than just a rapper who broke through and went platinum, the guy is an icon, and Dre his a billionaire.  Snoop did the Olympics for God's sakes.  He might even be on his way to being a billionaire with all his endorsements.

Then the age factor is unprecedented.  I still always bring up the funny fact that Too Short had a "Retirement Party" when he first retired at age 29, you can still see clips of it in the classic documentary Rhyme and Reason.  It seemed normal for a rapper to retire at 29 back in the golden era.  These guys are 20-30 years beyond that!!!!!!!!

I say all that to say this. It was miraculous when Dre pulled off the COMPTON album (but that was before he sold his soul and started throwing up devil horns).  It was miraculous when Xzibit pulled off Napalm around the age of 40.  Those albums made me believe it was possible for rappers to just continue to be dope forever.  But I was wrong.  It seems the old motif holds true.  You got to be hungry and keep your ears to the street to stay dope in hip-hop.

[heisenberg]

I haven't listened to it since I gave it a full playthrough, and bumped the Sting song on repeat a few times, and now I haven't gone back to it.

The old motif in rap used to be that a rapper would be hungry and struggle his way up the underground and finally breakthrough and become platinum.  Then he would get surrounded by a lot of "yes man" -- distance himself from the streets and lose traction.  Then the follow up to the platinum record would be a flop.  Sort of like the Doggystyle to Doggfather transition.

This scenario is like 10X what we used to see in the traditional days of rapper when everything was more simple.  We've really never seen anything like this.  I mean, Snoop is more than just a rapper who broke through and went platinum, the guy is an icon, and Dre his a billionaire.  Snoop did the Olympics for God's sakes.  He might even be on his way to being a billionaire with all his endorsements.

Then the age factor is unprecedented.  I still always bring up the funny fact that Too Short had a "Retirement Party" when he first retired at age 29, you can still see clips of it in the classic documentary Rhyme and Reason.  It seemed normal for a rapper to retire at 29 back in the golden era.  These guys are 20-30 years beyond that!!!!!!!!

I say all that to say this. It was miraculous when Dre pulled off the COMPTON album (but that was before he sold his soul and started throwing up devil horns).  It was miraculous when Xzibit pulled off Napalm around the age of 40.  Those albums made me believe it was possible for rappers to just continue to be dope forever.  But I was wrong.  It seems the old motif holds true.  You got to be hungry and keep your ears to the street to stay dope in hip-hop.

 

[heyyou]

It's missing that soulfulness , Snoop is all about vibes and grooves and this album is missing that. To me Dr.Dre is about great sounds and impeccable engineering, but when it comes to the musicality,  he doesn't have it like that. He would do great at scoring movies and games. If Missionary was done by SNOOP X QUIK, the result would have been way better in my humble opinion.

I agree with your criticism that Dre is concentrating on the technical side of things too much and has forgotten to have fun in the studio and it seems to show in the production (it's too clinical, lacks soul).
Having said that, Quik is also very hit and miss these days.
I'm still regularly bumping Missionary from beiginning to end!

[Duck Duck Doggy]

 

What he’s right. Besides the devil horns thing lol

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

I agree with your criticism that Dre is concentrating on the technical side of things too much and has forgotten to have fun in the studio and it seems to show in the production (it's too clinical, lacks soul).
Having said that, Quik is also very hit and miss these days.
I'm still regularly bumping Missionary from beiginning to end!

Quik, doesn't seem to be out of touch musically, he would definitely align with Snoop and put together a nice project, just like Pharrell did with BUSH, I could even mention Terrace  Martin, great chemistry with Snoop

[haliaeetus albicilla]

Quik (mainly as a mixer), Daz (mainly as a hook songwriter and drummachine player), Soopafly (mainly as a keyboard man) and Kurupt  (mainly as a lyricist) need to produce a Dogg pound album together.