Did Bad Azz ever win his case against Shakur estate over “Ghetto Star”?

[TraceOneInfinite]

I’m still mad they didn’t let him use that Pac verse he needed it.  The album was a near classic I was listening to “Money Houses and Cars” and “Last Time” on repeat yesterday and a lot of the songs on the album still play well in 2024.

That Pac feature, cutting a bit of filler, add a few of those unreleased LBC Crew joints and you got a classic gold selling debut album

[Sccit]

his debut is a classic to me

what was their reasoning behind not letting him use it??

[HighEyeCue]

found a post on Reddit which goes into the situation a little bit from Bad Azz and GO Twice

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tupac/comments/13m7xe2/underrated_song_by_2pac/

The Dubcnn interview with Bad Azz

https://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/badazz/


 

I’m still mad they didn’t let him use that Pac verse he needed it.  The album was a near classic I was listening to “Money Houses and Cars” and “Last Time” on repeat yesterday and a lot of the songs on the album still play well in 2024.

That Pac feature, cutting a bit of filler, add a few of those unreleased LBC Crew joints and you got a classic gold selling debut album

Infinite, I agree his debut was dope as hell

I remember it came out a week before Kuruption! did...Kurupts album was supposed to come out a month before but it got delayed

anyway it turned out that Kurupt didn't take Dres advice about not doing a double album and Kuruption! had a bunch of filler on the East Coast disc and Word On Tha Streetz was the much more cohesive debut

[Sccit]

dubcnn.com : There has been some controversy about your track with 2Pac called Ghetto Star. Who recorded the original version with 2Pac, you or Nuttso?

Bad Azz: Nuttso had the song, Priority had got the song for me, I didn't know Nuttso did the song, so that's why I did it. I would have never done it, like Priority brought it to me Marvin had got the verses, he gave it to me the two 2pac verses wit a new beat that they had said that they got these 2 verses, so they kinda lied to me. And I rapped on it, Nuttso ended up gettin payed, I never put it out because of that reason, Priority white labeled it, and it blew up.


dubcnn.com : So you didn't record it with Pac in the studio.

Bad Azz: No no I didn't do that. I got that verse, Pac was dead when I first heard that. They had got it, and like I said they confronted me like "Yo we got this pac verse" And I had never heard it so I thought they were tellin the truth, I was like "No one ever put this out? This was just a verse pac had layin around?" and they was like "Yeah, he did this song with Ant Banks, no one else was on it but they lied, they took Nuttso off thinkin that Nuttso would never surface. They thought Nuttso is some nobody ass rapper, but at the same time he was like a small time rapper but that was Pac's homie! Pac did that song wit him!

[Sccit]

BetterDayz.Net: What is the story behind the song
"Ghetto Star"? Was it originally recorded with
Nuttso or Bad Azz?

G O Twice: The Bad Azz version is a fake. The way
Bad Azz got a hold of the song was when Pac was
shot and Suge went to Jail certain individuals had
taken masters from Can Ams cellar, Nuttso was
given a master of Ghetto Star from MC Hammer, at
that time Kevin Dixon aka Captain Save A Hoe was
working on a album and asked Nuttso if he could
use Ghetto Star for that album, Nuttso replied that
he would lend the song to Kevin but with a different
track under it, Kevin agreed, later G-Man Stan from
Find-a-way studios in Hayward, Ca. did the remix
and also dubbed the master tape and gave it to
Kevin, in turn Kevin was dealing with Ant Banks and
that camp at the time and Bad Azz, don't get me
wrong, Bad Azz's record company asked Nuttso if
they could license the song and use it for Bad Azz's
album(without Nuttso), they offered Nuttso 15,000
and he said "NO". The song was used anyway,
because nobody had the rights to the song but Suge
and he was in jail. The song was originally recorded
with Nuttso and Pac in March '96, and was called
"Burying One of Our Own", until Pac later renamed it
"Ghetto Star" after writing his lyrics. He liked the
beat and said he definitely wanted to do more work with me.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Infinite, I agree his debut was dope as hell

I remember it came out a week before Kuruption! did...Kurupts album was supposed to come out a month before but it got delayed

anyway it turned out that Kurupt didn't take Dres advice about not doing a double album and Kuruption! had a bunch of filler on the East Coast disc and Word On Tha Streetz was the much more cohesive debut

Yeah, it was a fascinating era in West Coast rap and kind of like a forgotten era—because it was the lost era sandwiched in between the Death Row pinnacle of rap 1992-1996, and then the resurgence era of 1999-2003.   

So there is this forgotten period of 97-98 when wack shit like No Limit and Ja Rule took over.  But all the talent was still there.  Because most of our favorite artists were still in their 20's and in the midst of their prime.

So that week that you are talking about when Bad Azz and Kurupt both dropped right about the same time is still fascinating to me to this day.  I don't think either of the albums even went gold, but I was banging that shit day and night -- breathing it in like oxygen.  And part of you was thinking like, "WHAT THE FUCC this Kurupt doesn't sound like Dogg Food or this isn't the level of Bad Azz on "Beware of My Crew" but what other choice did we have?  It was still a million times better than No Limit and Ja Rule or even DMX, Puffy and all Pac's enemies that everyone else was following like sheep.

So it was bittersweet because we knew it was under expectation and the shit wasn't going platinum as expected—but at the same time we were still banging the fucc out of those albums. 


 

[doggfather]

So there is this forgotten period of 97-99 when wack shit like No Limit and Ja Rule took over.  But all the talent was still there.  Because most of our favorite artists were still in their 20's and in the midst of their prime.
 

what period?!?!?!


From wikipedia:

97:

March 4   Soul Assassins The Soul Assassins, Chapter I Debuted at No. 20 on the Billboard 200
March 25   Warren G   Take a Look Over Your Shoulder Debuted at No. 11 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold ( YOU MADE A THREAD BOUT IT WHILE AGO...)
August 26  Coolio My Soul Debuted at No. 39 on the Billboard 200 Certified Platinum
September 16 Mack 10   Based on a True Story Debuted at No. 14 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold
September 30 RBL Posse   An Eye for an Eye Debuted at No. 70 at the Billboard 200
November 11 Luniz   Lunitik Muzik Certified Gold
November 25 2Pac   R U Still Down? (Remember Me)   Debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 Certified 4 x Platinum

98:

solo from kurupt, daz, mack 10, wc.
Da Game Is to Be Sold, Not to Be Told was certified 2× Platinum on October 22, 1998
The Element of Surprise debuted and peaked at number 13 on the Billboard 200, with first week sales nearing 78,000 units.
40 Dayz & 40 Nightz debuted at number 58 on the Billboard 200 and number 14 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States, and at number 32 on the UK Hip Hop and R&B Albums Chart.
Cypress Hill IV, gold album
War & Peace Vol. 1 (The War Disc) debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 180,000 copies in the first week. This became Ice Cube's fourth US top-ten album. On January 25, 1999, the album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for sales of over a million copies in the United States.
2 Pac Greatest Hits debuted at number five on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 268,000 copies in its first week. In January 1999, the album reached its peak at number three on the chart. It has spent 433 weeks on the Billboard 200.[2] On October 16, 2000, it was certified 9× platinum.


99:

No Limit Top Dogg debuted at number 2 on the Billboard 200, selling 187,000 copies in its first week in the United States, only being second to Ricky Martin's self-titled album.
Mc Eiht Section 8 peaked at number 54 on the Billboard 200 and at number 5 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States.
2001: debuted at number 2 on the U.S. Billboard 200 chart, selling 516,000 copies in its first week. It produced three singles that attained chart success and has been certified 6× Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America
Los Grandes Éxitos en Español (The Greatest Hits in Spanish) is the title of a 1999 release by Cypress Hill. It was certified Platinum by the RIAA.
Still I Rise debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 408,000 in the first week.[7] The album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).




These are the albums with sales. NOT ALL RELEASED!
my personal favs missin (alkaholiks, jurassic 5, saafir, funkdoobiest, above the law etc...)



what the actual phuck u talkin forgotten period?

its 2024 and the world, not just dubcnn, but the world still listen these and talkin bout these albums.



once again u mixed your opinion with facts...

[Sccit]

what period?!?!?!


From wikipedia:

97:

March 4   Soul Assassins The Soul Assassins, Chapter I Debuted at No. 20 on the Billboard 200
March 25   Warren G   Take a Look Over Your Shoulder Debuted at No. 11 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold ( YOU MADE A THREAD BOUT IT WHILE AGO...)
August 26  Coolio My Soul Debuted at No. 39 on the Billboard 200 Certified Platinum
September 16 Mack 10   Based on a True Story Debuted at No. 14 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold
September 30 RBL Posse   An Eye for an Eye Debuted at No. 70 at the Billboard 200
November 11 Luniz   Lunitik Muzik Certified Gold
November 25 2Pac   R U Still Down? (Remember Me)   Debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 Certified 4 x Platinum

98:

solo from kurupt, daz, mack 10, wc.
Da Game Is to Be Sold, Not to Be Told was certified 2× Platinum on October 22, 1998
The Element of Surprise debuted and peaked at number 13 on the Billboard 200, with first week sales nearing 78,000 units.
40 Dayz & 40 Nightz debuted at number 58 on the Billboard 200 and number 14 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States, and at number 32 on the UK Hip Hop and R&B Albums Chart.
Cypress Hill IV, gold album
War & Peace Vol. 1 (The War Disc) debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 180,000 copies in the first week. This became Ice Cube's fourth US top-ten album. On January 25, 1999, the album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for sales of over a million copies in the United States.
2 Pac Greatest Hits debuted at number five on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 268,000 copies in its first week. In January 1999, the album reached its peak at number three on the chart. It has spent 433 weeks on the Billboard 200.[2] On October 16, 2000, it was certified 9× platinum.


99:

No Limit Top Dogg debuted at number 2 on the Billboard 200, selling 187,000 copies in its first week in the United States, only being second to Ricky Martin's self-titled album.
Mc Eiht Section 8 peaked at number 54 on the Billboard 200 and at number 5 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States.
2001: debuted at number 2 on the U.S. Billboard 200 chart, selling 516,000 copies in its first week. It produced three singles that attained chart success and has been certified 6× Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America
Los Grandes Éxitos en Español (The Greatest Hits in Spanish) is the title of a 1999 release by Cypress Hill. It was certified Platinum by the RIAA.
Still I Rise debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 408,000 in the first week.[7] The album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).




These are the albums with sales. NOT ALL RELEASED!
my personal favs missin (alkaholiks, jurassic 5, saafir, funkdoobiest, above the law etc...)



what the actual phuck u talkin forgotten period?

its 2024 and the world, not just dubcnn, but the world still listen these and talkin bout these albums.



once again u mixed your opinion with facts...

infinite is saying that the years 97 and 98 were a down period for the west coast in comparison to 92-96… and it’s true.


in retrospect, there was still tons of great shit comin out and the west was still killin it in comparison to what we’ve been getting over the past 20 years

but 1999 was the return of the west with dr. dre and snoop teaming back up


2004 is when the west started losing steam again .. and we haven’t really had that type of take over again, altho rbx album, dogg pound comeback, followed by kendrick lamar pop-out might have a lil something to say bout that

[TraceOneInfinite]

what period?!?!?!


From wikipedia:

97:

March 4   Soul Assassins The Soul Assassins, Chapter I Debuted at No. 20 on the Billboard 200
March 25   Warren G   Take a Look Over Your Shoulder Debuted at No. 11 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold ( YOU MADE A THREAD BOUT IT WHILE AGO...)
August 26  Coolio My Soul Debuted at No. 39 on the Billboard 200 Certified Platinum
September 16 Mack 10   Based on a True Story Debuted at No. 14 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold
September 30 RBL Posse   An Eye for an Eye Debuted at No. 70 at the Billboard 200
November 11 Luniz   Lunitik Muzik Certified Gold
November 25 2Pac   R U Still Down? (Remember Me)   Debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 Certified 4 x Platinum

98:

solo from kurupt, daz, mack 10, wc.
Da Game Is to Be Sold, Not to Be Told was certified 2× Platinum on October 22, 1998
The Element of Surprise debuted and peaked at number 13 on the Billboard 200, with first week sales nearing 78,000 units.
40 Dayz & 40 Nightz debuted at number 58 on the Billboard 200 and number 14 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States, and at number 32 on the UK Hip Hop and R&B Albums Chart.
Cypress Hill IV, gold album
War & Peace Vol. 1 (The War Disc) debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 180,000 copies in the first week. This became Ice Cube's fourth US top-ten album. On January 25, 1999, the album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for sales of over a million copies in the United States.
2 Pac Greatest Hits debuted at number five on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 268,000 copies in its first week. In January 1999, the album reached its peak at number three on the chart. It has spent 433 weeks on the Billboard 200.[2] On October 16, 2000, it was certified 9× platinum.


99:

No Limit Top Dogg debuted at number 2 on the Billboard 200, selling 187,000 copies in its first week in the United States, only being second to Ricky Martin's self-titled album.
Mc Eiht Section 8 peaked at number 54 on the Billboard 200 and at number 5 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States.
2001: debuted at number 2 on the U.S. Billboard 200 chart, selling 516,000 copies in its first week. It produced three singles that attained chart success and has been certified 6× Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America
Los Grandes Éxitos en Español (The Greatest Hits in Spanish) is the title of a 1999 release by Cypress Hill. It was certified Platinum by the RIAA.
Still I Rise debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 408,000 in the first week.[7] The album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).




These are the albums with sales. NOT ALL RELEASED!
my personal favs missin (alkaholiks, jurassic 5, saafir, funkdoobiest, above the law etc...)



what the actual phuck u talkin forgotten period?

its 2024 and the world, not just dubcnn, but the world still listen these and talkin bout these albums.



once again u mixed your opinion with facts...

LOL, you totally misunderstood my point but I know HighEyeCue knows exactly what I mean.  Maybe its because you are a Euro that you missed my point.  But people my age in America who were old enough to be follow the Chronic era know exactly what I am talking about.

You mentioned Take A Look Over Your Shoulder so lets use that album as the example.  It is a forgotten album from the forgotten era I am talking about from 97-98.  It undersold and underwhelmed the public.  It only sold gold and got very little radio play.  G Funk Era that came out in the Golden era from 93-96 blew up and sold 4 Million and was a cultural phenomenon that changed the game. 

So you posting Take a Look Over Your Shoulder only furthered my point.

...I wasn't saying I didn't like the album.  I love the album.  I just recently made an appreciation thread celebrating the album Take a Look Over Your Shoulder.  I loved it then when it dropped and I loved it now.  I was fuccing pissed when it failed to get much attention or airplay and didn't go platinum.  I'm still pissed about that—because all the attention at the time was on Puffy, No Limit, Ja Rule, and wack shit like that.

Did you think I was saying that the album was wack or forgettable for me? 

[TraceOneInfinite]

infinite is saying that the years 97 and 98 were a down period for the west coast in comparison to 92-96… and it’s true.


in retrospect, there was still tons of great shit comin out and the west was still killin it in comparison to what we’ve been getting over the past 20 years

but 1999 was the return of the west with dr. dre and snoop teaming back up


2004 is when the west started losing steam again .. and we haven’t really had that type of take over again, altho rbx album, dogg pound comeback, followed by kendrick lamar pop-out might have a lil something to say bout that

Exactly.

...Doggfather is a EURO and didn't understand

[doggfather]

it is NOT EURO thing, it is your death row/ dr dre glasses...


once again.

coolio, cypress doin massive hits, numbers worldwide.


stop doin, thinkin that west=dre.




C U When U Get There got repetaible radio and tv play after the film  Nothing to Lose

so do Dr. Greenthumb.


these are just 2 example from that 2 years and aint forgotten. from my head without lookin.

say that u aint like em, feel em or think they are west to U.
but thats different!

2004 is when the west started losing steam again ..

what bout the game?

from 2005 till kendrick he was THE west.

on tv, radio, got a tons of mixtapes, bootlegs worldwide not just in the west.

[doggfather]

want to hear some EURO thing?


check prince igor from warren g.

nah, that is EURO thing.

(and we shame us for that...)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Igor_(song)

[TraceOneInfinite]

it is NOT EURO thing, it is your death row/ dr dre glasses...


once again.

coolio, cypress doin massive hits, numbers worldwide.


stop doin, thinkin that west=dre.




C U When U Get There got repetaible radio and tv play after the film  Nothing to Lose

so do Dr. Greenthumb.


these are just 2 example from that 2 years and aint forgotten. from my head without lookin.

say that u aint like em, feel em or think they are west to U.
but thats different!


what bout the game?

from 2005 till kendrick he was THE west.

on tv, radio, got a tons of mixtapes, bootlegs worldwide not just in the west.

Lol u still don’t get it.   But it’s okay because you are a EURO and you weren’t here so you don’t know the feeling amongst WC fans, rap fans, and then music buying fans in general at the rhyme (time). 

Since you mentioned Take a Look Over Your Shoulder let’s continue with that example….

People like us at the forum always got Warren as like one of our top guys.  But there are trend followers in rap music.  From 93-96 all those trend followers were like “oh yeah Warren G he’s the best G Funk Era”.  So the music I was into everyone was following that trend.  So Id tell everyone at school about G Funk Era and then a few months later everyone was into it.  People were talking about that shit on the school bus that’s how big it was.

But from 97-98 the trend was to follow No Limit and Puffy and shit like that.  So I’d tell people on the bus about Take a Look Over Your Shoulder and nobody gave a fucc. 

You don’t understand that because in Euro land maybe Warren was still the MAN over there in Euro but here in America him and his homies weren’t on top anymore.  Yeah, sure people liked them but they weren’t setting the trend.  Everyone was following the No Limit trend in 97-98 more than any of the West Coast shit we love at the forum.

How do you not understand that? 

[HighEyeCue]

Yeah, it was a fascinating era in West Coast rap and kind of like a forgotten era—because it was the lost era sandwiched in between the Death Row pinnacle of rap 1992-1996, and then the resurgence era of 1999-2003.   

So there is this forgotten period of 97-98 when wack shit like No Limit and Ja Rule took over.  But all the talent was still there.  Because most of our favorite artists were still in their 20's and in the midst of their prime.

So that week that you are talking about when Bad Azz and Kurupt both dropped right about the same time is still fascinating to me to this day.  I don't think either of the albums even went gold, but I was banging that shit day and night -- breathing it in like oxygen.  And part of you was thinking like, "WHAT THE FUCC this Kurupt doesn't sound like Dogg Food or this isn't the level of Bad Azz on "Beware of My Crew" but what other choice did we have?  It was still a million times better than No Limit and Ja Rule or even DMX, Puffy and all Pac's enemies that everyone else was following like sheep.

So it was bittersweet because we knew it was under expectation and the shit wasn't going platinum as expected—but at the same time we were still banging the fucc out of those albums.

yeah its funny Kuruption! over the years has become my favorite Kurupt album

when it came out like you said I was disappointed but still banged the hell out of it because what was the alternative? I was a westcoast head from NYC and that No Limit/Cash Money music just wasn't my cup of tea...I never really got into DMX or Jay basically I thought they benefited from the deaths of Pac and Biggie and would have never had made it big if they didn't pass on

Nas was the only NY rapper that I always liked but other than that I always rode with the west

it is NOT EURO thing, it is your death row/ dr dre glasses...


once again.

coolio, cypress doin massive hits, numbers worldwide.


stop doin, thinkin that west=dre.




C U When U Get There got repetaible radio and tv play after the film  Nothing to Lose

so do Dr. Greenthumb.


these are just 2 example from that 2 years and aint forgotten. from my head without lookin.

say that u aint like em, feel em or think they are west to U.
but thats different!


what bout the game?

from 2005 till kendrick he was THE west.

on tv, radio, got a tons of mixtapes, bootlegs worldwide not just in the west.

you are right about Cypress Hill but you are talking more 1993 than 97/98

by that period they were mostly an afterthought at least here in the US

[Sccit]

it is NOT EURO thing, it is your death row/ dr dre glasses...


once again.

coolio, cypress doin massive hits, numbers worldwide.


stop doin, thinkin that west=dre.




C U When U Get There got repetaible radio and tv play after the film  Nothing to Lose

so do Dr. Greenthumb.


these are just 2 example from that 2 years and aint forgotten. from my head without lookin.

say that u aint like em, feel em or think they are west to U.
but thats different!


what bout the game?

from 2005 till kendrick he was THE west.

on tv, radio, got a tons of mixtapes, bootlegs worldwide not just in the west.

game was a step down from that dre-xzibit-snoop-eastsidaz up in smoke