Scott Storch Was Not Responsible for 2001's Success or Sound

[Sccit]

I never said he definitely produced more, or made more, but just that it's a possibility that Scott Storch did do more on 2001, and didn't receive all of the credits, mutually, due to prior advances. 2001 has an entirely different sound compared to Aftermath Presents compilation, yet a lot of the same talent are on both projects. Post 2001, many of Scott Storch's beats he is credited as a main producer for had a lot of success. He wrote and produced Christina Aguilera's fighter, and the Can't Hold us Down track. Those were massive hits at the time. He probably produced for a wider range of mainstream pop artists than Dre did during that era. It would be interesting to see the numbers.

Storch may be credited for only x2 songs on 2001, but that song posted earlier in the comments sounds just like any other 2001 era beat IMO, just a little lighter, so it isn't impossible to think he may have had a hand in more on 2001. I think he was undeniably a key element to the team / sound at that time, even just to add input in the studio and expose Dre (and others) to a different perspective on music, who can then take ideas and get the best out of them. Dre has been around for decades, and for the most part he gets it right, but he has had some rubbish out over the years, just like any other top producer, and it's evident when he doesn't have the right team behind him. I've lost count of the number of times, a particularly in the last 15 years where I've heard a "produced by Dr Dre" and thought 'meh', nothing like before. Many producers like him, Quik and Storch included, I have had that same impression

the song posted earlier sound like a dre style beat because it is LOL .. storch was doing dre imitation beats once he started doing his own thing. his stuff before dre sounded nothing like that. the whole industry was doing dre imitation beats after 2001 came out .. but the point that i’m making is that the overall 2001 sound was far more mel man than it was storch. you listen to a beat like “year 2000” by xzibit and you can hear that signature 2001 sound … you say the aftermath compilation beats sounded different but beats like “blunt time” or “east/west coast killaz” are very similar in nature to the 2001 sound. 2001 was just an evolution of that.. but again, i can’t stress it enough, storch was not anywhere close to being the reason for that evolution.. he was involved mainly as an instrument, not a creator. these are all facts.

[Jay_J]

the song posted earlier sound like a dre style beat because it is LOL .. storch was doing dre imitation beats once he started doing his own thing. his stuff before dre sounded nothing like that. the whole industry was doing dre imitation beats after 2001 came out .. but the point that i’m making is that the overall 2001 sound was far more mel man than it was storch. you listen to a beat like “year 2000” by xzibit and you can hear that signature 2001 sound … you say the aftermath compilation beats sounded different but beats like “blunt time” or “east/west coast killaz” are very similar in nature to the 2001 sound. 2001 was just an evolution of that.. but again, i can’t stress it enough, storch was not anywhere close to being the reason for that evolution.. he was involved mainly as an instrument, not a creator. these are all facts.

These are not facts just because you are the only one approving yourself.

As long as somebody doesnt tell you which melody to play properly, if you create the melody by yourself and producer decides to use it, it makes you a composer and creator.

Blunt time (my favorite aftermath presents song) and east west killaz has nothing to do with 2001 sound by the way.

Scott never did dre imatation beats. He had in own style, especially with piano riffs, string compositions and the way he uses lead. Dre took these and produced songs like still dre, big egos, murder ink, watcher, bla bla (7 songs on 2001)

Scott was already a grammy winner producer for Roots before he met dre. As i know he did bladoow for busta before 2001 album but that song was released after 2001. So after 2001 scott got attention of hiphop world from east to west. Not mel man, not camara, not mike, only scott got attention and shined. Thats a proof of he was one of the most shining star of 2001 album with his unique contribution. Anyway, he took his own style and made his own productions with it. Its not dre imitation beats because it was already belong to scott more than dre. Dre was just taking it to another level with his own vision and the way he mixes it. Tell me if "truck volume" song of Busta Rhymes is a scott type of beat or dr.dre beat? On your perspective it should be a scott stroch imitation beat produced by dre.

Scott did his own thing with candy shop, just a lil bit, family portrait, me my self and i, fighter, lean back, times up, lets ride... these only sound scott to me, they dont taste dre.

But when you listen to break ya neck, truck volume, poppin them thangs, X, let me blow your mind, aint nuthin but music, put it on me, lookin at you... you can feel its scott storch over there involved.

Dre is an executive producer/producer/mix engineer/beatmaker/dj.... we accept he is the best of bests. Praising scott and appriciating him is not disrespecting dre. We should be thankful dr.dre and scott storch met and we had chances to hear many classics and still listening today. We are not comparing scott and dre. They are on different levels for sure. But its just bullshit and nonsense to claim scott to make cheap imitation dre beats. Scott's catalog is wider than dre if we talk about genres, artists and songs. But thats dre's choice to work with just a few people he fucks with and he just makes rap or rnb beats. Scott worked with more artists in way more genres as a solo producer. Giving scott his flowers will not make you a dr.dre or melman hater. You are talking like a typical hater, and you are far from being sensible because of that.

[Sccit]

These are not facts just because you are the only one approving yourself.

As long as somebody doesnt tell you which melody to play properly, if you create the melody by yourself and producer decides to use it, it makes you a composer and creator.

Blunt time (my favorite aftermath presents song) and east west killaz has nothing to do with 2001 sound by the way.

Scott never did dre imatation beats. He had in own style, especially with piano riffs, string compositions and the way he uses lead. Dre took these and produced songs like still dre, big egos, murder ink, watcher, bla bla (7 songs on 2001)

Scott was already a grammy winner producer for Roots before he met dre. As i know he did bladoow for busta before 2001 album but that song was released after 2001. So after 2001 scott got attention of hiphop world from east to west. Not mel man, not camara, not mike, only scott got attention and shined. Thats a proof of he was one of the most shining star of 2001 album with his unique contribution. Anyway, he took his own style and made his own productions with it. Its not dre imitation beats because it was already belong to scott more than dre. Dre was just taking it to another level with his own vision and the way he mixes it. Tell me if "truck volume" song of Busta Rhymes is a scott type of beat or dr.dre beat? On your perspective it should be a scott stroch imitation beat produced by dre.

Scott did his own thing with candy shop, just a lil bit, family portrait, me my self and i, fighter, lean back, times up, lets ride... these only sound scott to me, they dont taste dre.

But when you listen to break ya neck, truck volume, poppin them thangs, X, let me blow your mind, aint nuthin but music, put it on me, lookin at you... you can feel its scott storch over there involved.

Dre is an executive producer/producer/mix engineer/beatmaker/dj.... we accept he is the best of bests. Praising scott and appriciating him is not disrespecting dre. We should be thankful dr.dre and scott storch met and we had chances to hear many classics and still listening today. We are not comparing scott and dre. They are on different levels for sure. But its just bullshit and nonsense to claim scott to make cheap imitation dre beats. Scott's catalog is wider than dre if we talk about genres, artists and songs. But thats dre's choice to work with just a few people he fucks with and he just makes rap or rnb beats. Scott worked with more artists in way more genres as a solo producer. Giving scott his flowers will not make you a dr.dre or melman hater. You are talking like a typical hater, and you are far from being sensible because of that.

it has nothing to do wit me being a hater… these are not facts because i say so .. they’re facts because they’re facts

storch has TWO writing credits on 2001 .. and ZERO production credits …. but u insist on crediting him for the sound on the entire album …. it’s embarrassing levels of groupieism to be quite honest .. storch himself would laugh at how much you’re on his dick

and i said it before, i’m a big storch fan

but this is the 2001 sound:



mel man

the beat for X came from a Tim n Bob beat .. again, string/orchestra/violin style compositions were being done by dre well before storch came along




^ this is that orchestra sound pre-storch .. even on the break down of the beat during the ballroom dance scene


its ok man.. i get he’s your idol and this might be really crushing your whole perspective of who he is…. but it’s not a mistake that timbaland called him the piano man. that’s exactly what he is, and there’s honestly no shame in that.

btw, timbaland as a producer is also lightyears ahead of storch .. but that’s another story

[shmosh]

I agree. You can see it first-hand with the joints that Scott produced afterward without Dre. Take Jadakiss - Time's Up, for example.

It has piano keys that only assist the overall production. They do not hit hard. Dre is responsible for making Scott's piano lines stand out and grab our attention.

This is a banger but you're absolutely right, everyone can hear the difference Dre's input has.

Another example

[Sccit]

This is a banger but you're absolutely right, everyone can hear the difference Dre's input has.

Another example

yup .. and beyond the lower level of production in comparison to dre, we can see how it’s indeed a dre imitation when we listen to a beat like been there done that (orchestra driven) .. or california love (piano driven) both done well before storch was in the mix

[So Much Style]

It was MEL MAN. We all miss MEL MAN.

[Jay_J]

it has nothing to do wit me being a hater… these are not facts because i say so .. they’re facts because they’re facts

storch has TWO writing credits on 2001 .. and ZERO production credits …. but u insist on crediting him for the sound on the entire album …. it’s embarrassing levels of groupieism to be quite honest .. storch himself would laugh at how much you’re on his dick

and i said it before, i’m a big storch fan

but this is the 2001 sound:



mel man

the beat for X came from a Tim n Bob beat .. again, string/orchestra/violin style compositions were being done by dre well before storch came along




^ this is that orchestra sound pre-storch .. even on the break down of the beat during the ballroom dance scene


its ok man.. i get he’s your idol and this might be really crushing your whole perspective of who he is…. but it’s not a mistake that timbaland called him the piano man. that’s exactly what he is, and there’s honestly no shame in that.

btw, timbaland as a producer is also lightyears ahead of storch .. but that’s another story

Mel man is producer of whole album but he doesnt get credit for writing in all songs. So you mean he is not involved in those? i know scott credited as songwriter in only 2 songs but he is involved in 7 songs. why do you think bud'da is not credited for drum programming on forget about dre, how bout glove didnt get any credit for xplosive? you just see what you want to see when it comes to what you want to believe and force people o believe. i dont agree at all and i prove you the facts with examples, i asked you a few questions but you didnt even answer one of it, you are claiming me to suck scott's dick but you are jumping from dre's dick to timbo's dick to approve yourself.

i agree timbaland as a producer is also ahead of storch. pharrel too.

you are still doing the same shit consciously bro, u are saying things i havent said, you say again " u insist on crediting him for the sound on the entire album"... this is not a good way to discuss, thats childish, sorry.

i never said that, you are keep doing the same shit, thats annoying. i said he was the missing key for dre's production team, he just made it complete and better with his contribution.

nobody said nobody used strings in rap music before also thats funny you are bringing beats made my strings. sure they had. the way scott combines piano and strings is his signature.

yeah i love scott, i love camara kambon, mel-man, bud'da, mike elizondo, ron feemster..

stop taking it personal, everybody is free to say what he thinks. i guess we both said enough, lets end this pointless discussion and let other members share their opinions.

[Sccit]

Mel man is producer of whole album but he doesnt get credit for writing in all songs. So you mean he is not involved in those? i know scott credited as songwriter in only 2 songs but he is involved in 7 songs. why do you think bud'da is not credited for drum programming on forget about dre, how bout glove didnt get any credit for xplosive? you just see what you want to see when it comes to what you want to believe and force people o believe. i dont agree at all and i prove you the facts with examples, i asked you a few questions but you didnt even answer one of it, you are claiming me to suck scott's dick but you are jumping from dre's dick to timbo's dick to approve yourself.

i agree timbaland as a producer is also ahead of storch. pharrel too.

you are still doing the same shit consciously bro, u are saying things i havent said, you say again " u insist on crediting him for the sound on the entire album"... this is not a good way to discuss, thats childish, sorry.

i never said that, you are keep doing the same shit, thats annoying. i said he was the missing key for dre's production team, he just made it complete and better with his contribution.

nobody said nobody used strings in rap music before also thats funny you are bringing beats made my strings. sure they had. the way scott combines piano and strings is his signature.

yeah i love scott, i love camara kambon, mel-man, bud'da, mike elizondo, ron feemster..

stop taking it personal, everybody is free to say what he thinks. i guess we both said enough, lets end this pointless discussion and let other members share their opinions.

who said anything about taking it personal? just being honest dude … u say things and then u take it back like we can’t just go back and read your posts

this is what started all this

VVVV

scott storch is the most important part of 2001.

and yes, writing credits on a beat means you’re part of the creative process. so glove programing the drums on xxplosives doesn’t constitute a writing credit, because drum programming and writing music is 2 different things.

that’s why storch only has 2 writing credits on 2001.. because those are the 2 songs where he was involved in the CREATIVE process as opposed to just playing what he’s instructed to play (aka session player)

and what i’m explaining to you is not that other producers used strings before storch lolllll .. but rather that dre was already making beats that had those signature sounds, and that the beats on 2001 were simply an evolution of the dre sound we heard 1995-1998 .... it’s not like storch came along and brought a whole new style. this is where i had to correct you.

and if u don’t believe me.. then that’s on you. but i’m only speaking facts.

[shmosh]

It was MEL MAN. We all miss MEL MAN.

To be fair even Mel Man can't hit that Dre sound



The key difference here is DRE to making everything sound next level. None of these guys can make anything like the music they make with him without him, even the good tunes they make just don't slap the same

[Lucifuge]

2001 sound you can hear it on no limit top dogg. That is where it started.

[ImNotKash]

it has nothing to do wit me being a hater… these are not facts because i say so .. they’re facts because they’re facts

storch has TWO writing credits on 2001 .. and ZERO production credits …. but u insist on crediting him for the sound on the entire album …. it’s embarrassing levels of groupieism to be quite honest .. storch himself would laugh at how much you’re on his dick

and i said it before, i’m a big storch fan

but this is the 2001 sound:



mel man

the beat for X came from a Tim n Bob beat .. again, string/orchestra/violin style compositions were being done by dre well before storch came along




^ this is that orchestra sound pre-storch .. even on the break down of the beat during the ballroom dance scene


its ok man.. i get he’s your idol and this might be really crushing your whole perspective of who he is…. but it’s not a mistake that timbaland called him the piano man. that’s exactly what he is, and there’s honestly no shame in that.

btw, timbaland as a producer is also lightyears ahead of storch .. but that’s another story

I agree with everything this brother said... respectfully

[Lucifuge]

Thhese days i was bumping a lot of snoops albums, and you can here when dre doing mixing. Doggystle dre mixing amazing, doggfather, game to be sold not not that good, than again no limit top dogg, the last meal Dre mixing amazing, then bunch albums and then you got it blue carpet dre mixing. If you aint deaf you can hear a difference in sound.

[topdogg188]

JR Rotem was another one that had 2001esque beats for a while I remember around that era.  Not sure if he worked on 2001 though but I remember he did the Busta We up to no good beat with Dre and had a lot of Dre sounding stuff before going more pop

[TraceOneInfinite]

Forgot Storch also did co-production on “Lay Low”.  That song has had a resurgence over the years because Whitney Houston quoted it at an award show and only over the last several years that catchphrase from Nate has become huge.  Almost as big as “Hold up.. wait !!!”

Mainstream fans, women, kids using that phrase.  The song was successful when it dropped and the album as well but that track has developed a cult following and grown of the years.  Snoop would’ve been like 3X to 4X platinum with the last meal if that shit had took off like it eventually did.  I bet he gets hella streams on that.

And it’s not just the great keys by Scott or the catchphrase by Nate—the whole damn song is damn near a catchphrase!!  Listen to every lyric of that track and it’s some shit a person might just say to fit a moment.

“Ooyaka Booyaka!!”

“It ain’t nothin but loot”

“I don’t go to clubs I neva chase a bitch”

“Don’t sag too hard you show everyone ya thong”

[Sccit]

Forgot Storch also did co-production on “Lay Low”.  That song has had a resurgence over the years because Whitney Houston quoted it at an award show and only over the last several years that catchphrase from Nate has become huge.  Almost as big as “Hold up.. wait !!!”

Mainstream fans, women, kids using that phrase.  The song was successful when it dropped and the album as well but that track has developed a cult following and grown of the years.  Snoop would’ve been like 3X to 4X platinum with the last meal if that shit had took off like it eventually did.  I bet he gets hella streams on that.

And it’s not just the great keys by Scott or the catchphrase by Nate—the whole damn song is damn near a catchphrase!!  Listen to every lyric of that track and it’s some shit a person might just say to fit a moment.

“Ooyaka Booyaka!!”

“It ain’t nothin but loot”

“I don’t go to clubs I neva chase a bitch”

“Don’t sag too hard you show everyone ya thong”

lay low wasnt scott storch lol … it was mike elizando