Would Eminem be considered the GOAT if he never released music after Relapse?

[h2k4]

For me, he's definitely dropped down a few notches on my all-time list. Encore was the last enjoyable album. Everything after that has been lackluster, mostly in part due to the weird accent and choppy flow that he uses. I've always felt that his popularity now resides with white folks that wear Monster hats or that are emo.

[TraceOneInfinite]

He had to transform himself to keep up with current music point of view and he had to do it to be relevant.

production was overdated on relapse. nobody gave a fuck about that type of music anymore those days.

relapse is not considered as a classic, but recovery is considered as classic already which is totally not my favorite eminem album but i understand the meaning and importance of recovery.

Jay's right Sccit.  You and Siavash have a subjective love for Relapse.  But the critics didn't like it and it undersold with fans as well.  Eminem himself disparages the album in Recovery he apologizes for the album and says "Encore I was on um (drugs) and Relapse I was comin off them drugs" saying he like he apologizes for those two weaker albums—that clearly weren't up to his first 3 flawless masterpiece albums SSLP, MMLP, and Eminem Show which were objectively excellent with critics and the buying public.  So you are just defending your and Siavash subjective view of Relapse, so you should just say, "well, many didn't like it but I really loved Relapse" and that's okay.

The production was impressive on Relapse, but it's clear Eminem was missing something.  Proof was dead, and he'd already accomplished everything he'd wanted in the game.  And Jay is right that by 2007 Lil Wayne and the sound that would come with Young Money and such artists brought about the skinny jeans era and people weren't so interested in that Aftermath formula of album making and sound that we were all fans of.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Jesus Christ you got EVERYTHING wrong lmao

When Relapse came out people were praising the shit put of it's production, it was the content and accents that bothred people so much. These days Relapse is considered a cult classic, that's a fact. Just check out Em's forums.

Recovery was hot when it came out, and it was indeed a modern new sound that people fucked with back in 2010. But it's fresh status only lasted for like 3 years, and since 2013 that shit been aging worse than a milk on a hot summer day. That Recovery sound became history. Why do you think everybody was making fun of Em for working with Alex Da Kid and using Recovery style in 2013/2017 and begged him to go back working with Dre? And why MTBMB was considered an improvement over Revival? Why do you think Em uses leftovers from Relapse on his newer albums, and not from Recovery?

It's kinda ironic how Relapse was considered outdated when it was released but ended aging better tham Recovery, which sounded more fresh at first.

Jay J is not wrong and neither are you....

Yes, Relapse has developed into somewhat of a cult classic, and maybe Recovery doesn't have that same cult following.

...but certainly Jay is right that the objective narrative from critics and the buying public at the time these albums were released was that Relapse was a let down and Recovery was a solid comeback

[TraceOneInfinite]

For me, he's definitely dropped down a few notches on my all-time list. Encore was the last enjoyable album. Everything after that has been lackluster, mostly in part due to the weird accent and choppy flow that he uses. I've always felt that his popularity now resides with white folks that wear Monster hats or that are emo.

Me personally.. MMLP2 was the only post 8 Mile album of Eminem that I really loved and thought was damn near up to the classic standard of his first 3 Aftermath releases. 

I liked the sound he was coming with in that era, like the Bad Meetz Evil EP was dope as well, and "Guts Over Fear" is one of my all time favorite joints which was also released around that time/sound/era of Em.

[Jay_J]

Thank you trace, for speaking the truth and facts. You don't need to be an authorotiy to speak facts

MMLP2 have songs for every kind of listeners of eminem.

Rhyme or reason, So much better, brainless for old fans
Survival, legacy, monster for fans who loved recovery and bad meets evil

So far, love game, headlights for new fans

Berzerk for old school hardcore fans

He only didnt consider fans who liked relapse

It also has a lot of referances to marshall mathers album.

Bonus disc is amazing.

Classic.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Thank you trace, for speaking the truth and facts. You don't need to be an authorotiy to speak facts

MMLP2 have songs for every kind of listeners of eminem.

Rhyme or reason, So much better, brainless for old fans
Survival, legacy, monster for fans who loved recovery and bad meets evil

So far, love game, headlights for new fans

Berzerk for old school hardcore fans

He only didnt consider fans who liked relapse

It also has a lot of referances to marshall mathers album.

Bonus disc is amazing.

Classic.

Yeah, we disagree on a lot, it's funny that we have a similar understanding of Eminem's post 8-Mile career.  I think it's because you and I are both explaining it objectively. 

You're right about MMLP2—it's like he was remarkably sort of able to satisfy everyone all at the same time.  Like the young kids still think "Rap God' is proof Eminem is the greatest just because he raps fast on that song, and they study every lyric and try to spend days trying to spit those verses at the same speed.

But as you said, older hip-hop heads from our era really love tracks like "Brainless" and "Groundhog Day".

And then sort of like just the general music buying public might have enjoyed cuts like "Legacy" or "Stronger Than I Was" I thought were excellent cuts not necassarily as a hardcore hip-hop head but I think just a music critic in general should appreciate those songs. 

Then pop fans enjoyed "Monster" was a success with Rihanna

[Sccit]

Jay's right Sccit.  You and Siavash have a subjective love for Relapse.  But the critics didn't like it and it undersold with fans as well.  Eminem himself disparages the album in Recovery he apologizes for the album and says "Encore I was on um (drugs) and Relapse I was comin off them drugs" saying he like he apologizes for those two weaker albums—that clearly weren't up to his first 3 flawless masterpiece albums SSLP, MMLP, and Eminem Show which were objectively excellent with critics and the buying public.  So you are just defending your and Siavash subjective view of Relapse, so you should just say, "well, many didn't like it but I really loved Relapse" and that's okay.

The production was impressive on Relapse, but it's clear Eminem was missing something.  Proof was dead, and he'd already accomplished everything he'd wanted in the game.  And Jay is right that by 2007 Lil Wayne and the sound that would come with Young Money and such artists brought about the skinny jeans era and people weren't so interested in that Aftermath formula of album making and sound that we were all fans of.

in 2020, Eminem's opinion towards Relapse started to become more positive. Before the YouTube premiere of the "Godzilla" music video on the Lyrical Lemonade channel, Eminem answered fan questions on the live chat. Fans filled the chat with requests for Relapse 2, which Eminem addressed, "I see a lot of requests for accents!"[114] He would also post on social media celebrating the 11th anniversary of the album's release. Later that year, Eminem released Music to Be Murdered By – Side B (Deluxe Edition), which included the song "Discombobulated". On the track, he rapped in his Relapse rap style, which many fans interpreted as him both embracing and paying tribute to the album for the first time.

In a 2024 skit conducted for Complex as part of The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de Grâce) album release cycle, Eminem responds defending Relapse, acknowledging its critical reappraisal and the cult status that it has gained among his fanbase: "For what it’s worth, there’s an entire generation of people who think that (album) is a fucking classic."[117]






i know you really love recovery because it was a time in your life where u were still in love with eminem and some of the sappy tracks on there spoke to you and represented that moment in time

but from a HIP-HOP HEAD perspective, your average eminem fan was not feeling that album AT ALL ... it was looked at as a pop album and was definitely a commercial success, but eminem fans were completely disappointed in real time

relapse turned a lot of people off in real time because of the accents, but it aged much better and even developed a cult following over time

meanwhile, that entire alex da kid production style eminem was using during recovery has been mocked to death in hip-hop circles.

again.. i know you've stated in the past that recovery is a personal album to you, but you're in the minority. you're more a situational listener. you loved that album because it represented a time in your life more so than for the actual quality of the music, which unequivocally aged like milk.



here is a forum of eminem fans speaking on it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eminem/comments/xvee3q/recovery_or_relapse_i_prefer_recovery/


damn near no one picked recovery over relapse lol

[Sccit]

Jay J is not wrong and neither are you....

Yes, Relapse has developed into somewhat of a cult classic, and maybe Recovery doesn't have that same cult following.

...but certainly Jay is right that the objective narrative from critics and the buying public at the time these albums were released was that Relapse was a let down and Recovery was a solid comeback

maybe from pop critics .. the cats who vote to give lil nas x grammys over snoop lol.. it wasn't getting high praise from cats in tune with hip-hop culture

matter fact, even some pop publications like allmusic, entertainment weekly, and pitchfork rated relapse higher

[TraceOneInfinite]

in 2020, Eminem's opinion towards Relapse started to become more positive. Before the YouTube premiere of the "Godzilla" music video on the Lyrical Lemonade channel, Eminem answered fan questions on the live chat. Fans filled the chat with requests for Relapse 2, which Eminem addressed, "I see a lot of requests for accents!"[114] He would also post on social media celebrating the 11th anniversary of the album's release. Later that year, Eminem released Music to Be Murdered By – Side B (Deluxe Edition), which included the song "Discombobulated". On the track, he rapped in his Relapse rap style, which many fans interpreted as him both embracing and paying tribute to the album for the first time.

In a 2024 skit conducted for Complex as part of The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de Grâce) album release cycle, Eminem responds defending Relapse, acknowledging its critical reappraisal and the cult status that it has gained among his fanbase: "For what it’s worth, there’s an entire generation of people who think that (album) is a fucking classic."[117]






i know you really love recovery because it was a time in your life where u were still in love with eminem and some of the sappy tracks on there spoke to you and represented that moment in time

but from a HIP-HOP HEAD perspective, your average eminem fan was not feeling that album AT ALL ... it was looked at as a pop album and was definitely a commercial success, but eminem fans were completely disappointed in real time

relapse turned a lot of people off in real time because of the accents, but it aged much better and even developed a cult following over time

meanwhile, that entire alex da kid production style eminem was using during recovery has been mocked to death in hip-hop circles.

again.. i know you've stated in the past that recovery is a personal album to you, but you're in the minority. you're more a situational listener. you loved that album because it represented a time in your life more so than for the actual quality of the music, which unequivocally aged like milk.



here is a forum of eminem fans speaking on it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eminem/comments/xvee3q/recovery_or_relapse_i_prefer_recovery/


damn near no one picked recovery over relapse lol

I never said Recovery was one of my favorites—I’m speaking objectively when I talk about Recovery. I have no personal affinity for Recovery.  I don’t dislike it but the only post 8-Mile Eminem solo album I’ve lauded and praised on here is MMLP2 which I pointed out in this thread and you somehow missed. 

Yes I don’t deny Relapse has gained more cult following over the years but I’m talking about in the era these albums were released

[Sccit]

Thank you trace, for speaking the truth and facts. You don't need to be an authorotiy to speak facts

MMLP2 have songs for every kind of listeners of eminem.

Rhyme or reason, So much better, brainless for old fans
Survival, legacy, monster for fans who loved recovery and bad meets evil

So far, love game, headlights for new fans

Berzerk for old school hardcore fans

He only didnt consider fans who liked relapse

It also has a lot of referances to marshall mathers album.

Bonus disc is amazing.

Classic.

infinite i can say is an authority on eminem

but even the authority can be wrong once in a while

you're right about mmlp2 being his best album in the post 00s era tho

[Sccit]

I never said Recovery was one of my favorites—I’m speaking objectively when I talk about Recovery. I have no personal affinity for Recovery.  I don’t dislike it but the only post 8-Mile Eminem solo album I’ve lauded and praised on here is MMLP2 which I pointed out in this thread and you somehow missed. 

Yes I don’t deny Relapse has gained more cult following over the years but I’m talking about in the era these albums were released

my mistake .. i think i confused your love for mmlp2 with recovery .... i was replying to one post at a time, so i only saw you talking about mmlp2 in this thread after i replied .. regardless, recovery was never seen as a "classic" and it was reviewed decently by your average pop fan.. but again, from a hip-hop head perspective, we were all greatly disappointed .. and since u were disappointed with it as well, you know where we comin from.

[Jay_J]

infinite i can say is an authority on eminem

but even the authority can be wrong once in a while

you're right about mmlp2 being his best album in the post 00s era tho

I never call myself authority for anything but i also dont care if you think i am an autority on eminem or not.

I dont know how much you are into eminem since he came out and how much you spent your life to listen to eminem and anything about him. I did a lot but i cant say i know more than you, i advice you the same, you cant know what and how much i know. All i can say, i trust myself to say a few things about Eminem. I dont claim im an authority. I'm here to share my knowledge and read others perspective to learn smth if i miss anything.

I agree with infinite, definately not agree with you. I respect your point of view but as infite said you are making a personal comment based on what you like or not. Thats not the point at all in this threas to me.

[Sccit]

I never call myself authority for anything but i also dont care if you think i am an autority on eminem or not.

I dont know how much you are into eminem since he came out and how much you spent your life to listen to eminem and anything about him. I did a lot but i cant say i know more than you, i advice you the same, you cant know what and how much i know. All i can say, i trust myself to say a few things about Eminem. I dont claim im an authority. I'm here to share my knowledge and read others perspective to learn smth if i miss anything.

I agree with infinite, definately not agree with you. I respect your point of view but as infite said you are making a personal comment based on what you like or not. Thats not the point at all in this threas to me.

the thing is, you live in turkey .. i live in los angeles. it's a bit different when you are so removed from the scene and saying what's goin on and dictating how things are received within the culture. with all due respect .. you say you disagree.. and that's what i'm telling u. it's not about what you agree or disagree with.. it's about facts homie. the facts is, eminem fans hold relapse in a much higher regard than recovery. casual fans ala the pop crowd are more into recovery because it was more successful commercially as a pop crossover album. that's a fact, not an opinion brother.

[Jay_J]

the thing is, you live in turkey .. i live in los angeles. it's a bit different when you are so removed from the scene and saying what's goin on and dictating how things are received within the culture. with all due respect .. you say you disagree.. and that's what i'm telling u. it's not about what you agree or disagree with.. it's about facts homie. the facts is, eminem fans hold relapse in a much higher regard than recovery. casual fans ala the pop crowd are more into recovery because it was more successful commercially as a pop crossover album. that's a fact, not an opinion brother.

The thing is its not about where you live. The fact is not about where you live. Even if you live in detroit you dont have right to say you know about eminem more than me. Also according to the discussion we made above with you, it became a proof of its not about you live in los angles or turkey. We made our comments bro, leave it there and let other people drop their comment, we are not here in this forum to agree with you.

[Eddz]

Eminem is a global star and his impact was worldwide, living in LA or Turkey has no relevance on how Eminem's albums were received.