Would Eminem be considered the GOAT if he never released music after Relapse?

[Duck Duck Doggy]

To me say what you say was adressing Dre's beef personally and it had nothing to do to be on an emimem album. Also beat is same loop keep repeating. Historically its an iconic track that em and dre making a diss track back and forth, but it should be a single or on a compilation album.

I have the firm album. I like that album personally but have you ever heard "firm flopped"? That was the reason that Dre ain't been gettin' no sleep and came up with 2001 with all them old and new West coast rappers.

Sure i've listened to those albums when they dropped. The big bang was a dissapointment for me except of been through the storm.

Yeah the firm flopped financially who cares a lot of dope albums have flopped. Your favorite (missionary) being one of them but you still like the album right?

Anyways you’ve heard “Phone Tap” yes? That’s one of the dopest tracks Dre has ever released and it’s with all east coast rappers. He also was making Jay Z beats too that turned into really good songs

 Also I personally think Eminem would sound amazing over an album of premo beats

And the thing about not having the diss on an em album. Em was a ride or die type cat unlike snoop. So Eminem would take on Dre’s beef because he’s riding with him. If you listen to the song he’s going in on JD too. That’s just the type of loyalty he has. So if anything it added to the album in the way of building his character

[Jay_J]

Yeah the firm flopped financially who cares a lot of dope albums have flopped. Your favorite (missionary) being one of them but you still like the album right?

Anyways you’ve heard “Phone Tap” yes? That’s one of the dopest tracks Dre has ever released and it’s with all east coast rappers. He also was making Jay Z beats too that turned into really good songs

 Also I personally think Eminem would sound amazing over an album of premo beats

And the thing about not having the diss on an em album. Em was a ride or die type cat unlike snoop. So Eminem would take on Dre’s beef because he’s riding with him. If you listen to the song he’s going in on JD too. That’s just the type of loyalty he has. So if anything it added to the album in the way of building his character

I fucking love aftermath compilation too but it is not a surprise that it flopped. The firm as well.

You are making a wrong discussion, we are not talking about what we like or not personally.

Eminem would sound great on a primo beat. But not on a whole album produced by premier. It wouldnt be an eminem album anyway. It would be a collabo album.

Yeah Em is a do or die type. As you said it was dre's personal case, that song could be a bonus track or b side for a single. Thats my vision for an album.

[goodyoung]

dre/mark/dewaun (weakest dre team in history)

Brooo stoooop lmao
That is one of his strongest team ever, he literally perfected his 2001 style with them. Shit they did on the Big Bang and The Blue Carpet is some of the best music Dre ever did lol

What the fuck is going on haha

[Sccit]

Brooo stoooop lmao
That is one of his strongest team ever, he literally perfected his 2001 style with them. Shit they did on the Big Bang and The Blue Carpet is some of the best music Dre ever did lol

What the fuck is going on haha

no it's not matchings to the perfectionist of scott storch production master. everybody knows scott storch is the real smart genius musical. he never ever making midi g-funk imitation productions. dr. dre is trash after NWA. he copy scott storch sound. this is a fact that everybody remembering.

[goodyoung]

dr. dre is trash after NWA

since world class wreckin crew*

Everyone knows Dre NWA beats sound like some fl studio shit, anybody can do that

[Sccit]

since world class wreckin crew*

Everyone knows Dre NWA beats sound like some fl studio shit, anybody can do that

no because dj yella real genius musical. he know how to carry dre and teach him master class professional mix mastering with no cheap midi sound.

but world class wreckin cru was cheap imitation of zapp. everybody know.

[TraceOneInfinite]

I fucking love aftermath compilation too but it is not a surprise that it flopped. The firm as well.

You are making a wrong discussion, we are not talking about what we like or not personally.

Eminem would sound great on a primo beat. But not on a whole album produced by premier. It wouldnt be an eminem album anyway. It would be a collabo album.

Yeah Em is a do or die type. As you said it was dre's personal case, that song could be a bonus track or b side for a single. Thats my vision for an album.

Jay has a fair point.  What he’s saying is the Bass Brothers drew out a certain quality and chemistry from Eminem that went beyond just giving him a dope beat.  I’ll give you an example.  The track 11 on MMLP “Marshall Mathers” is a basically boring and plain sounding beat—but look how much it brought out of Eminem?  I mean it’s literally the title track of the album where he explains who he is.

Without the Bass Brothers on Relapse you had a collection of dope beats but the album had no heart and no soul.  Just a collection of beats and rhymes but Eminem couldn’t find himself.  He literally, lost his “voice” on the album.

On Recovery, give him credit because he found himself and found his voice again even without the Bass Brothers.  Me personally, I’m not a big fan of Relapse or Recovery but I’m definitely more of a Recovery guy than a Relapse guy.

Relapse has better production but Recovery has more heart.

[Sccit]

Jay has a fair point.  What he’s saying is the Bass Brothers drew out a certain quality and chemistry from Eminem that went beyond just giving him a dope beat.  I’ll give you an example.  The track 11 on MMLP “Marshall Mathers” is a basically boring and plain sounding beat—but look how much it brought out of Eminem?  I mean it’s literally the title track of the album where he explains who he is.

Without the Bass Brothers on Relapse you had a collection of dope beats but the album had no heart and no soul.  Just a collection of beats and rhymes but Eminem couldn’t find himself.  He literally, lost his “voice” on the album.

On Recovery, give him credit because he found himself and found his voice again even without the Bass Brothers.  Me personally, I’m not a big fan of Relapse or Recovery but I’m definitely more of a Recovery guy than a Relapse guy.

Relapse has better production but Recovery has more heart.

yes .. bass brothers had excellent chemistry with em and losing them really sucked .. this goes without saying

that doesn't change the fact that calling dre's bct through relapse era production "weak" and "outdated" is nothing short of retarded lol

and i'm glad you finally admitted u secretly have a hard on for that abomination of an album recovery

that album had zero heart .. it was just em chasing sappy pop hits for an entire album .. the only album more contrived than that one is revival.

[Jay_J]

Brooo stoooop lmao
That is one of his strongest team ever, he literally perfected his 2001 style with them. Shit they did on the Big Bang and The Blue Carpet is some of the best music Dre ever did lol

What the fuck is going on haha

I laughed hard but if you feel that way, its your taste. I cant judge it.

Dre's best team were mike elizondo, scott storch, camara kambon, mel-man. This team dominated hip hop for 6-7 years and inspired a lot of following songs, albums, rappers, producers. This team made no limit top dogg, slim shady lp, 2001, restless, marshall mathers lp, GRODT, beg for mercy, man vs machine, devil's night, eminem show, documentary, family affair, let me blow your mind, break ya neck, the wash ost, etc...

You want tell what your strongest team did?

Let me remind you a few.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SN4oVcJEgF8?si=S_rYL6owhXs5mYeL

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RzQRxV2XqFU?si=AnFlElFnC8nBh_rI

https://youtube.com/watch?v=huP8JBkKhZg?si=PWyzXpb_0crSRPMC

https://youtube.com/watch?v=O5F-1Raqths?si=-ID31qgmBv-rjn8d

Damn i cant continue..

[jerseymike]

Brooo stoooop lmao
That is one of his strongest team ever, he literally perfected his 2001 style with them. Shit they did on the Big Bang and The Blue Carpet is some of the best music Dre ever did lol

What the fuck is going on haha

literally lmao. that mid 2000s team is literally goated. batson, parker, lawrence etc are the best team dre ever had. storch made way better stuff during detox than on 2001 and him n mike elizondo did better work during the 2000s too. personally i would include khalil, jake one, blaze, focus, nottz and denaun part of the 2000s team too since they were around ALOT.

[jerseymike]

also recovery has some of the best em songs ever, along with some of the best just blaze n dj khalil production ever. cutting em off after relapse would be a crime. would be like saying would dre be considered the goat if he never released music after dr dre presents the aftermath album lol.

[Duck Duck Doggy]

also recovery has some of the best em songs ever, along with some of the best just blaze n dj khalil production ever. cutting em off after relapse would be a crime. would be like saying would dre be considered the goat if he never released music after dr dre presents the aftermath album lol.

It’s nothing like that actually. Dre released 2001 after. Eminem hasn’t released a single classic album since Eminem Show

[TraceOneInfinite]

I respect everyone's POV but here is my 2 cents after listening to the album for the 2nd time this month

1. I don't think Dre has since matched his production on "Relapse" even on "Compton"

2. Ems rhyme schemes on it are amazing...flow is crazy

3. I enjoy horrorcore from time to time so the subject matter does not bother me but I understand its not for everyone including some hardcore Em fans...its a concept album

4. The accent works on some songs but on others it can get annoying so I think he definitely overused it

5. The "Beautiful" track is the only Bass produced track and doesnt fit on the album even though its a great song imo...wouldve been better served on "Curtain Call" or another Greatest Hits release

We agree on most everything, especially in regards to that awkward yet fascinating period in rap that existed in that 97-98 space after Suge went to prison and before the West Coast Resurgence era was set off when "Bitch Please" took off.  I'll respond to each of your points individually:

1.  "Compton" to me was a classic and flawless album/soundtrack.  So I think the production on "Compton" is superior to "Relapse" when you consider all the work Dre did for each piece of it, such as intros and outros to tracks and interludes, there was greater detail in the mix, and great attention paid to perfecting each moment of every track.  Like the voice effects on Anderson Pak and transition into Kendrick's verse on "Deep Water" and then moments like that little break on "Darkside/Gone" that "Eazy E CPT O.G. from the Darkside" and transition into Dre's next verse change in beat in keys is masterful and more detailed than his work on Relapse.

2.  yes true, lyrically and flow; but people didn't like his voice/accent and there's no heart; and there's not that poignant commentary about his life and the state of hip-hop and his place in the rap game like the previous albums.  The content is trash. 

3.  yes, exactly, some people could vibe with the content, but others not their cup of tea

4.  The accent did give him a boost in something; or he wouldn't of used it.  It may have helped him with his pronunciation on some words and he was able to to rhyme words that maybe didn't rhyme otherwise, or it allowed him to spiritually distance himself from the darkness of what he was saying

5.  agreed

[TraceOneInfinite]

also recovery has some of the best em songs ever, along with some of the best just blaze n dj khalil production ever. cutting em off after relapse would be a crime. would be like saying would dre be considered the goat if he never released music after dr dre presents the aftermath album lol.

MMLP2 and Bad Meetz Evil EP spectacular

And tracks like "Guts Over Fear" that were recorded years after Relapse—I consider to be one of Eminem's top 5 greatest songs of his whole career.  Then on MMLP you got tracks like "Brainless" which is actually like an update of the Slim Shady LP classic "Brain Damage" and is as good or better than that classic song.  I also thought that "Stronger Than I Was" might be the best song he ever did about Kim, and tracks "Legacy" is also a great song.

[goodyoung]

I laughed hard but if you feel that way, its your taste. I cant judge it.

Dre's best team were mike elizondo, scott storch, camara kambon, mel-man. This team dominated hip hop for 6-7 years and inspired a lot of following songs, albums, rappers, producers. This team made no limit top dogg, slim shady lp, 2001, restless, marshall mathers lp, GRODT, beg for mercy, man vs machine, devil's night, eminem show, documentary, family affair, let me blow your mind, break ya neck, the wash ost, etc...

You want tell what your strongest team did?

Let me remind you a few.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN4oVcJEgF8?si=S_rYL6owhXs5mYeL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzQRxV2XqFU?si=AnFlElFnC8nBh_rI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huP8JBkKhZg?si=PWyzXpb_0crSRPMC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5F-1Raqths?si=-ID31qgmBv-rjn8d

Damn i cant continue..

Bro did you just put a masterpiece that is Goldmine in there???

While I agree that the rest of the songs you mentioned weren't great, and that 30 something Jay's joint always been wack, you're clearly cherrypicking the worst songs that came out from that era. Why don't you post Get You Some, Don't Get Carried Away, Imagine, Get Low, Outta Control remix, Boss' Life, Deja Vu, Crack A bottle (say what you what about the song, but the beat is crazy), In The Chetto, Cocaina, Minority Report, Lost One, Stay Wide Awake etc etc etc?

It's like if I was arguing that his 2001 team was wack and posted Choke me spank me, Take the heat, Rain Man, Not Today, Ass like that, Just lose it and Push play to prove my point.