Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion

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Show me in the New Testament.

show u what in the new testament

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Unfortunately that's one of those big grey areas, and there are so many in the religion.  You have a lot of Muslim friends and I'm happy you are defending Islam and trying to present a fair viewpoint of the religion.  Because there is the verse of Qur'an that does say "There is no compulsion in religion" and they always market this aspect when appealing to outsiders for sympathy and to appear to be less threatening.

...then you actually get deep into the religion and you meet a lot of assholes that think it's perfectly fine to force someone into the religion and try to back up those claims using Qur'an, Hadith (alleged sayings of the Prophet) and things from the Sunnah/Sahaba (this means life of Muhammad and people who knew him) and even Fatwas from Scholars past and present.  They will come up with something and then you spend hours arguing them in the masjid and feel frustrated at the end of the day and thought we were all gonna sing "Kumbaya" by the fire place holding hands--but find out it's not quite the same on the inside as it is in some college reading material that presents Islam to the general public.

yea it's weird, because if we go simply by quran, muslims should adhere to israel belonging to the Jews

but it's the re-interpretation of things that makes muslims have such difference of opinions between one another

jews are a little different, because there's generally a universal belief that must be followed by all jews

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wrong

forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam

but both muslims and christians still do it

A muslim just told you that it wasn't forbidden and it's taught. You don't know anything about what you're defending or arguing against.

Show me where in the NT it teaches to force conversions to Christianity.

Thanks for keeping this thread alive too. People need to see the videos posted and your lies exposed.

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A muslim just told you that it wasn't forbidden and it's taught. You don't know anything about what you're defending or arguing against.

Show me where in the NT it teaches to force conversions to Christianity.

Thanks for keeping this thread alive too. People need to see the videos posted and your lies exposed.

and i know muslims who quote verses in the quran that show it's not allowed genius


1. Clear Qur'anic Teaching:
The Qur'an explicitly forbids forcing anyone to accept Islam.
“There is no compulsion in religion.”
(Qur’an, 2:256)
This verse makes it clear that belief must be a personal, voluntary decision.
2. Muhammad’s Practice:
Muhammad never forced anyone to convert to Islam. He preached through wisdom, compassion, and dialogue, not coercion. Even in situations of political power, he respected people's freedom of belief.
3. Islamic Legal Principle:
Classical Islamic scholars agreed that forced conversion is invalid. If someone says they are Muslim under coercion, it doesn’t count as true belief.
4. Respect for “People of the Book”:
In Islamic history, Jews and Christians (known as “Ahl al-Kitab” or People of the Book) were allowed to practice their religion under Muslim rule. They were not forced to convert.

Surah Yunus (10:99)
“Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. So, will you then compel people to become believers?”

Even the Prophet (ﷺ) was reminded that he cannot force people to believe.
🔹 Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)

The Prophet never forced people to convert. Here’s one example:

🔸 Narrated by Ibn Abbas (Bukhari 6924):
When a woman from the Jews accepted Islam and her children remained Jewish, the Prophet did not force the children to convert.
This shows he respected the existing faith of individuals, even within families.

🔹 Islamic Legal (Fiqh) Position
Classical jurists across all four Sunni schools (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi‘i, Hanbali) agree:
Forced conversions are invalid.
Islamic law requires sincerity of intention (niyyah) for a conversion to be accepted.
Imam Al-Nawawi (Shafi‘i scholar):
“If someone is forced to say the Shahada, it is not considered a valid conversion unless the heart accepts it.”

🔹 Historical Practice Under Muslim Rule
In Islamic history:
Jews, Christians, and others lived under Muslim governments for centuries.
They paid a special tax (jizya) in return for protection and autonomy — not as a penalty for not being Muslim.

🔹 Scholarly Consensus
Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah:
“No one should be forced to enter Islam. Rather, it is only permissible to invite them to Islam and explain it.”
Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi:
“Freedom of religion is one of the fundamental human rights in Islam. Forced conversion contradicts the essence of Islamic belief.”




that doesn't mean people don't break the rules and still do it.. same with christianity

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and i know muslims who quote verses in the quran that show it's not allowed genius


1. Clear Qur'anic Teaching:
The Qur'an explicitly forbids forcing anyone to accept Islam.
“There is no compulsion in religion.”
(Qur’an, 2:256)
This verse makes it clear that belief must be a personal, voluntary decision.
2. Muhammad’s Practice:
Muhammad never forced anyone to convert to Islam. He preached through wisdom, compassion, and dialogue, not coercion. Even in situations of political power, he respected people's freedom of belief.
3. Islamic Legal Principle:
Classical Islamic scholars agreed that forced conversion is invalid. If someone says they are Muslim under coercion, it doesn’t count as true belief.
4. Respect for “People of the Book”:
In Islamic history, Jews and Christians (known as “Ahl al-Kitab” or People of the Book) were allowed to practice their religion under Muslim rule. They were not forced to convert.

Surah Yunus (10:99)
“Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. So, will you then compel people to become believers?”

Even the Prophet (ﷺ) was reminded that he cannot force people to believe.
🔹 Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)

The Prophet never forced people to convert. Here’s one example:

🔸 Narrated by Ibn Abbas (Bukhari 6924):
When a woman from the Jews accepted Islam and her children remained Jewish, the Prophet did not force the children to convert.
This shows he respected the existing faith of individuals, even within families.

🔹 Islamic Legal (Fiqh) Position
Classical jurists across all four Sunni schools (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi‘i, Hanbali) agree:
Forced conversions are invalid.
Islamic law requires sincerity of intention (niyyah) for a conversion to be accepted.
Imam Al-Nawawi (Shafi‘i scholar):
“If someone is forced to say the Shahada, it is not considered a valid conversion unless the heart accepts it.”

🔹 Historical Practice Under Muslim Rule
In Islamic history:
Jews, Christians, and others lived under Muslim governments for centuries.
They paid a special tax (jizya) in return for protection and autonomy — not as a penalty for not being Muslim.

🔹 Scholarly Consensus
Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah:
“No one should be forced to enter Islam. Rather, it is only permissible to invite them to Islam and explain it.”
Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi:
“Freedom of religion is one of the fundamental human rights in Islam. Forced conversion contradicts the essence of Islamic belief.”




that doesn't mean people don't break the rules and still do it.. same with christianity

https://quran.com/at-tawbah/5

I'm still waiting for you to do the same with the NT.

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https://quran.com/at-tawbah/5

I'm still waiting for you to do the same with the NT.

1. Context: Not General, but Specific
This verse is part of a passage revealed during a specific conflict between the early Muslim community in Medina and certain Arab pagan tribes who had:
Made peace treaties with the Muslims, and
Violated those treaties by attacking or conspiring against them.
So, this was a limited military directive, not a general order against all non-Muslims or polytheists.
🛡️ 2. Not About Forcing Religion
The verse says:
"If they repent, perform prayer, and give zakah..."
This is not an instruction to force conversion. Rather, it sets terms for amnesty during a time of war. It means:
Those who had violated the treaties and were now enemies could still be forgiven and reintegrated if they embraced Islam voluntarily.
However, those who didn’t want to convert were not forced — they were either fought in war (as combatants), or allowed other options like exile, or in later verses, offered protection (see below).
📜 3. Next Verses Offer Protection for Non-Muslims
Just one verse later, Surah 9:6 states:
"If any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allah. Then deliver him to a place where he can be secure. That is because they are a people who do not know." (9:6)
This shows that non-Muslims who sought safety were to be protected and escorted to safety, not forced to convert.
⚖️ 4. Forced Conversion Is Forbidden in Islam
The Qur’an explicitly prohibits forced conversion:
“There is no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clearly from falsehood…”
— Surah Al-Baqarah (2:256)
This is a universal principle in Islamic belief. Genuine faith must come from free will, not coercion.

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now let's do christianity

🔹 Luke 14:23 – Compel Them to Come In
“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full.’”
📌 Context: This is part of a parable about a banquet — a metaphor for God inviting people into the kingdom. The word “compel” (Greek: anankazo) has sparked debate:
Most scholars see it as urging or persuading, not physical force.
However, during the medieval period, especially in the Augustinian tradition, this verse was misused to justify forced conversions, especially against Jews and heretics.

🕍 Historical Misuse by Christian Institutions
While the New Testament doesn't teach forced conversion, certain Church authorities historically used Old Testament laws and selective readings to justify coercion, especially in:
The Crusades
The Inquisition
Forced conversions of Jews and Muslims in Spain (e.g., 15th–16th centuries)
Colonial-era missionary work backed by military power

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Jewish is a religion not a race.

Jews are doing the same thing that Hitler did, but every nation is turning a blind eye because the run the world financial system.

Didn't the writer of the torah "Jay-Z" aka steal most of the Old Testament writings?

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now let's do christianity

🔹 Luke 14:23 – Compel Them to Come In
“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full.’”
📌 Context: This is part of a parable about a banquet — a metaphor for God inviting people into the kingdom. The word “compel” (Greek: anankazo) has sparked debate:
Most scholars see it as urging or persuading, not physical force.
However, during the medieval period, especially in the Augustinian tradition, this verse was misused to justify forced conversions, especially against Jews and heretics.

🕍 Historical Misuse by Christian Institutions
While the New Testament doesn't teach forced conversion, certain Church authorities historically used Old Testament laws and selective readings to justify coercion, especially in:
The Crusades
The Inquisition
Forced conversions of Jews and Muslims in Spain (e.g., 15th–16th centuries)
Colonial-era missionary work backed by military power

I rest my case on the Quran teaching forced conversion. Trying to explain it away by "context" doesn't.

I also rest my case on the point that the NT doesn't teach forced conversions. Trying to make it seem that it does by using catholic inquisition and the crusades doesn't prove that it does.

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Black Hebrew Israelite's and Jewish people both utilize the Torah, therefore the black Hebrew Israelite practices a form of Judaism and they are just as much Jews as jewish people. <---- Your logic. 

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now let's do christianity

🔹 Luke 14:23 – Compel Them to Come In
“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full.’”
📌 Context: This is part of a parable about a banquet — a metaphor for God inviting people into the kingdom. The word “compel” (Greek: anankazo) has sparked debate:
Most scholars see it as urging or persuading, not physical force.
However, during the medieval period, especially in the Augustinian tradition, this verse was misused to justify forced conversions, especially against Jews and heretics.

🕍 Historical Misuse by Christian Institutions
While the New Testament doesn't teach forced conversion, certain Church authorities historically used Old Testament laws and selective readings to justify coercion, especially in:
The Crusades
The Inquisition
Forced conversions of Jews and Muslims in Spain (e.g., 15th–16th centuries)
Colonial-era missionary work backed by military power

What's the source? This sounds made up. To suggest that any scripture but specifically that one was used to justify inquisitions and crusades is insane. I believe you made it up.

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Jewish is a religion not a race.

Jews are doing the same thing that Hitler did, but every nation is turning a blind eye because the run the world financial system.

Didn't the writer of the torah "Jay-Z" aka steal most of the Old Testament writings?

Jews are doing the same thing Hitler did? is that what your TikTok feed told you?


smh


how does it feel to be part of the smart-dumb mufucka echo chamber??

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What's the source? This sounds made up. To suggest that any scripture but specifically that one was used to justify inquisitions and crusades is insane. I believe you made it up.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/bible-and-crusade-narrative-in-the-twelfth-century/

https://boydellandbrewer.com/9781783275236/the-bible-and-crusade-narrative-in-the-twelfth-century

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/an-unexpected-consequence-of-the-christian-crusades/

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https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/bible-and-crusade-narrative-in-the-twelfth-century/

https://boydellandbrewer.com/9781783275236/the-bible-and-crusade-narrative-in-the-twelfth-century

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/an-unexpected-consequence-of-the-christian-crusades/

No source, just what I thought.

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No source, just what I thought.

the source is the bible

i literally quoted verses that were used as justification for the crusades

you're just a low level thinker .. i also posted 3 different links detailing it

maybe try and read more.. just a thought