I thought Dre was really a hardcore gangsta in 93'

[Bossplaya369]

one thing about these posthumous Pac albums were that most of the songs were remixed

the Makaveli bootlegs that contained the OG versions were the true gems

UTEOT was the least remixed.. closer to the OGs.. that's why I said what I said

Agree about Makaveli bootlegs..

[Sccit]

one thing about these posthumous Pac albums were that most of the songs were remixed

the Makaveli bootlegs that contained the OG versions were the true gems

yea .. but to be fair, a lot of the remixes were done well

[TraceOneInfinite]

UTEOT was the last real and good Pac album..

Yknow d rest!

true ("WEST SIDE IN THIS MUTHAFUCKA RIGHT HERE, DEATH ROW (bleeped out) IN HIS MUTHAFUCKA, WEST SIDE IN THIS MUTHAFUCKA!!"  )

...but "Better Days" had some quality material too.  Like, "Never Call U Bitch Again" Pac thought so much of that song that he premiered it at the legendary House of Blues concert.

[TraceOneInfinite]

yea .. but to be fair, a lot of the remixes were done well

yeah, this debate has been going on forever, and I actually say the same thing—that some of those remixes actually even elevated the songs.  Like with "Changes", "Until the End of Time", "To My Unborn Child", "Hell 4 a Hustla", "Wonder if Heaven's Got a Ghetto" many more were elevated in the updated versions.

And the ones that got messed up there was probably a sampling issue they wouldn't have been able to release it anyway.  Like, "Play Your Cards Right" O.G. is one of my favorite bootlegs ever and when they redid it, they lost that great sample and totally destroyed the song (but of course that was the Pac's Life album that was poorly done all the way around)

[Bossplaya369]

true ("WEST SIDE IN THIS MUTHAFUCKA RIGHT HERE, DEATH ROW (bleeped out) IN HIS MUTHAFUCKA, WEST SIDE IN THIS MUTHAFUCKA!!"  )

...but "Better Days" had some quality material too.  Like, "Never Call U Bitch Again" Pac thought so much of that song that he premiered it at the legendary House of Blues concert.

Dogg Pound OFTB DJ Quik all bleeped out lol

Some songs were exception were better RMX was better than OG but only few

"Ghetto Gospel" "Changes"

[Sccit]

yeah, this debate has been going on forever, and I actually say the same thing—that some of those remixes actually even elevated the songs.  Like with "Changes", "Until the End of Time", "To My Unborn Child", "Hell 4 a Hustla", "Wonder if Heaven's Got a Ghetto" many more were elevated in the updated versions.

And the ones that got messed up there was probably a sampling issue they wouldn't have been able to release it anyway.  Like, "Play Your Cards Right" O.G. is one of my favorite bootlegs ever and when they redid it, they lost that great sample and totally destroyed the song (but of course that was the Pac's Life album that was poorly done all the way around)

no doubt

i think people on these forums underestimate just how often songs you believe to be the original version are actually remixes .... there will be a song on maimonides like that

[HighEyeCue]

UTEOT was the least remixed.. closer to the OGs.. that's why I said what I said

Agree about Makaveli bootlegs..

that's more than fair

UTEOT contained the most Johnny J production...QDIII as well

Better Dayz is when they started to put producers like Jazzy Pha and others

one remix I liked was Military Minds from that album done by E.D.I.

[BJV]

those 3 actually aged well

r u still down
until the end of time
better dayz

loyal 2 da game and pacs life not so much

Nah I always thought they made a mistake dropping R U Still Down first after his death. The sound was so outdated already hiphop moves fast and after AEOM and 7 Day Theory they needed to drop something from the Makaveli era all that other shit coulda came later. R U Still down was recorded before Me Against The World. Maybe Afeni didn't have her hands on the Deathrow masters yet I don't know maybe that's why they dropped that first. Personally I think the Greatest Hits album should've been first. But shit they made so many mistakes handling pac's legacy I could go on for hours.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Nah I always thought they made a mistake dropping R U Still Down first after his death. The sound was so outdated already hiphop moves fast and after AEOM and 7 Day Theory they needed to drop something from the Makaveli era all that other shit coulda came later. R U Still down was recorded before Me Against The World. Maybe Afeni didn't have her hands on the Deathrow masters yet I don't know maybe that's why they dropped that first. Personally I think the Greatest Hits album should've been first. But shit they made so many mistakes handling pac's legacy I could go on for hours.

I disagree with this... it was the late 90's with major labels that aren't going to make mistakes or put out some sloppy Indie effort

The agreement between Suge and Afeni went like this.  She got to release an album and then Death Row got to release an album.  So she released R U Still Down because Death Row didn't have the rights to any of those songs because they were recorded before Death Row.  I agree that fans might've been looking for some hardcore Death Row sound after the legendary AEOM and 7 Day Theory but I will argue that the album was a dark album.  It wasn't hardcore but it was very dark and dealt with death and loss and had that Van Gogh artwork vibe "Starry Night" and Pac talked about how much he was influenced by Don McClean's "Starry Night" it had that great lead single where Pac was the camera going to heaven on a bus with Elvis and Jimmy Hendrix.  So if you think about it "I Ain't Mad at Cha" came out after Pac died and "I Wonder if Heaven Got a Ghetto" was a pretty solid transition as music video released a year later.

Then don't forget the Outlawz Still I Rise.  That was Death Row and was very well done.  "Black Jesus" and "Hell 4 a Hustla" were much better than their O.G. versions and "Still I Rise" was about equal to that Syke "96 Big Bodies Sittin On Chrome" O.G. version, "Letter to the President" they were able to keep the same as the O.G. and they did wonders for the lead single "Baby Don't Cry" was an improvement on the O.G.

So all those albums were well done:

R U Still Down
Greatest Hits
Still I Rise
Until the End of Time

HighEyecue is right they started slipping a bit when they moved away from Pac related artists and producers for Better Dayz.  But even Better Dayz was still dope and had some great moments.

Eminem shouldn't be blamed for the Pac album he did, they only had scraps and he tried to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.  He also helped them with the Soundtrack for the Pac documentary had a few nice joints

Really their only big disaster was Pac's Life (and NuMixx Classics sold well, but I never bothered much with that one)

[Sccit]

Nah I always thought they made a mistake dropping R U Still Down first after his death. The sound was so outdated already hiphop moves fast and after AEOM and 7 Day Theory they needed to drop something from the Makaveli era all that other shit coulda came later. R U Still down was recorded before Me Against The World. Maybe Afeni didn't have her hands on the Deathrow masters yet I don't know maybe that's why they dropped that first. Personally I think the Greatest Hits album should've been first. But shit they made so many mistakes handling pac's legacy I could go on for hours.

dated or not, there was some great shit on there

[dnjp4life]

Really their only big disaster was Pac's Life (and NuMixx Classics sold well, but I never bothered much with that one)

I actually rate Nu-Mixx Classics a lot.  Its refreshing to hear these classic 2Pac tracks over different production after listening to the originals so many times.
Plus it still Death Row so it feels like an authentic 2Pac album compared to some of the other ones.

Never actually checked out Volume 2 so I should get round to that.