Is Daz Dillinger a real producer ?

[Sccit]

I think Daz can produce and he has signature touches like these two songs - this first song reminds me of Ambitions and this is his remix and its outside of rap:




Another one Daz did which sounds eeriely similar:




Because a lot of Daz's stuff sounds the same - he definitely has to be his own producer.  I mean, sure he has co-producers or raps over other people's beats but he always credits them. I think that Daz is a producer in regards to most of what he's done in the industry and I'm sure there's stuff he's not properly credited for that might not even have his signature sound like the two records above (I.E. Doggystyle The Album). But he stays beatmaker because that's what he has the budget to do and is comfortable with and no one really gets onto him to make beats outside of his camp.  I think he knows the equipment and uses it, but doesn't really produce much due to demand - he just makes beats and sequences what he likes for albums.

this is definitely his sound

notice how it's drum and bass driven

the instruments are conceived and played by others



for the record, daz is a very dope producer .. hes basically a poor man's dre (which is a compliment) 


like i said earlier, i put him in that second tier


tier 1
dre
quik
warren
battlecat
timbo
premo
pete rock
dilla
rza 
havoc

tier 2
daz
meech
jellyroll
storch
fredwreck
soopafly
pooh
alchemist
hit-boy
uneek





just a random 10 names to showcase the difference in tiers


there are others who can fit into both (and some in between)

[WCEric]

I feel you, Sccit. I don't really think anyone is up there with Dr. Dre or his people in terms of hip hop production minus Timbaland's people. The bar for production is very high. On the West Coast, Jellyroll comes close to Dr. Dre, Storch, and Quik with this beat for Xzibit. Do I think Daz could do a record like this? Yes. Its all about timing and who you network with.

[Jay_J]

I think your timeline is off a bit.  The original version was a Dre solo that already had the new beat.  So did Laylaw produce the original Dre solo version, then Dre remixes his solo version, then Pac wants it so Dre fine tunes the solo version to include Pac and updates the beat?  Dre didn't want to give it to Pac, Pac asked for it.  By the time Pac heard Dre's solo version and asked for it for his album, Dre already had the updated beat for it. 

Or are you saying there's a Dre solo version out there somewhere that has Dre rapping his two verses over the REMIX Laylaw original beat?

First og version was remix version which is produced by laylaw. Dre took it and produced the first version you all heard. It was a solo track. Then he gave it to pac. And laylaw saw that he is not credited. Dre told him that he will fix it by using laylaws og version in album as a remix. Then laylaw is not credited again. Sure dre mixed and co produced the remix version too but it was laylaw's beat.

[HighEyeCue]

this is definitely his sound

notice how it's drum and bass driven

the instruments are conceived and played by others



for the record, daz is a very dope producer .. hes basically a poor man's dre (which is a compliment) 


like i said earlier, i put him in that second tier


tier 1
dre
quik
warren
battlecat
timbo
premo
pete rock
dilla
rza 
havoc

tier 2
daz
meech
jellyroll
storch
fredwreck
soopafly
pooh
alchemist
hit-boy
uneek





just a random 10 names to showcase the difference in tiers


there are others who can fit into both (and some in between)

you have to have a tier 3 for guys like Swizz

[Sccit]

you have to have a tier 3 for guys like Swizz

lol swizz would be like tier 5 on a good day

[TraceOneInfinite]

barney rubble and soopafly are right

daz has concepts and ideas that his musicians put together .... daz is what casuals think dre is

while dre is a mastermind when it comes to the technical aspect of production (layering, eqing, structure, etc), daz has very limited knowledge of the technicalities and his strongest ability is coming up with loops on a drum machine......

dre, quik, soopafly, mike dean, ivan johnson, etc did the heavy lifting on most his productions

it's very well documented that dre ghost produced "dogg food" and gave daz the credit because they were trying to build daz up as the next big death row producer

interesting about the drum machine loops...

Quik definitely tightened up Daz All Eyez on Me shit, and Dre polished off all his Dogg Food work and probably a lot of his pre-Dogg Food work as well like Murder Was the Case, Doggystyle, etc.

But who the fucc polished his RRGB bangers?!?  Cause that whole album was flawless as well.  Maybe Soopafly?  Cause I know he was tight with Soopafly during the making of that record.  And you got a great argument that I might've loved Soopafly's solo from around that time more if it had been a major release in the midwest and I had bumped it in its proper space and time.

But.. then there's another argument on Daz.  And that's that he is not the status of a Dre or even a Quik, where he can get all these great musicians and engineers to surround him and put in all this quality work.  Likely, Daz is such a pain in the ass to be around, and not even that well known outside of the dubcc to be honest (in spite of Dogg Food and All Eyez On Me work the average music fan doesn't even know him) --  POINT IS he probably does have to do a lot of shit all by himself.  So I would guess he can produce records top to bottom, they just ain't going to be as dope without that mid-90's Death Row polish he had with all that talent sitting in the same studio and working on the same songs together.

[TraceOneInfinite]

I think Daz can produce and he has signature touches like these two songs - this first song reminds me of Ambitions and this is his remix and its outside of rap:




Another one Daz did which sounds eeriely similar:




Because a lot of Daz's stuff sounds the same - he definitely has to be his own producer.  I mean, sure he has co-producers or raps over other people's beats but he always credits them. I think that Daz is a producer in regards to most of what he's done in the industry and I'm sure there's stuff he's not properly credited for that might not even have his signature sound like the two records above (I.E. Doggystyle The Album). But he stays beatmaker because that's what he has the budget to do and is comfortable with and no one really gets onto him to make beats outside of his camp.  I think he knows the equipment and uses it, but doesn't really produce much due to demand - he just makes beats and sequences what he likes for albums.

DAMN!!!  Homie you hooked it up. 

That "Get On Up" joint is vintage 96', I had the single with that fire B-Side Wutang remix of "Freaking You" and yet now 30 years later I'm just now hearing there was this DOGG POUND remix of "GET ON UP"!!   In fact, Jodeci and Dogg Pound were both at MTV Beach House August 96' performing -- I remember it like it was yesterday, Jodeci did "Get On Up" and Dogg Pound came on seperate doing "Play House" and "New York New York

That other joint is a banger as well by K-Ball. Did that ever get any radio/video play?  Cause that seems pretty close to Daz prime and they thought enough of it to do a legit music video

Props for posting!

[HighEyeCue]

DAMN!!!  Homie you hooked it up.  That "Get On Up" joint is vintage 96', I had the single with that fire B-Side Wutang remix of "Freaking You" and yet now 30 years later I'm just now hearing there was this DOGG POUND remix of "GET ON UP"!!   In fact, Jodeci and Dogg Pound were both at MTV Beach House August 96' performing -- I remember it like it was yesterday, Jodeci did "Get On Up" and Dogg Pound came on seperate doing "Play House" and "New York New York

That other joint is a banger as well by K-Ball. Did that ever get any radio/video play?  Cause that seems pretty close to Daz prime and they thought enough of it to do a legit music video

Props for posting!

yeah in real time I wasn't aware of that Jodeci remix it wasn't until I found it on westcoast2k later on

nice little jab by Daz at Jermaine Dupri on his verse too..."Be careful, amateurs, when The Row pass by Lyrical drive-by, don't get mistaken for another
You ain't so def when you bustin' a rhyme in 9-6"

[TraceOneInfinite]

yeah in real time I wasn't aware of that Jodeci remix it wasn't until I found it on westcoast2k later on

nice little jab by Daz at Jermaine Dupri on his verse too..."Be careful, amateurs, when The Row pass by Lyrical drive-by, don't get mistaken for another
You ain't so def when you bustin' a rhyme in 9-6"

That's so weird how JD keeps getting dissed by Death Row affiliates and yet all along all of them were friends, SMH

Kriss Kross tells stories of learning to sip 40's and shit at a young age with the Dogg Pound.  Many mentions of parties where they were hanging out in Atlanta at JD/So So Def parties.   One of the first artists Snoop collabed with when he was trying to break free of Death Row was JD for JD's first solo and first solo single on "Wanna Party" but because of Snoop still kind of being tied to Death Row it was restricted from going on the album so JayD had to make a version of Usher to launch his album.  But I specifically remember rollin around and bumpin this single when Snoop was still technically on Death Row (but stranded, just months before joining Master P)



Again, that fascinating lost era of West Coast Rap between the fall of Death Row and resurgence era sparked by "Bitch Please" feat. Xzibit prod. by Dre



^^This is the version JayD said he had to make when he couldn't get Snoop cleared for the album (probably because of Suge)

[TraceOneInfinite]

like i said earlier, i put him in that second tier


tier 1
dre
quik
warren
battlecat
timbo
premo
pete rock
dilla
rza 
havoc

tier 2
daz
meech
jellyroll
storch
fredwreck
soopafly
pooh
alchemist
hit-boy
uneek





just a random 10 names to showcase the difference in tiers


there are others who can fit into both (and some in between)

Not bad tiers but Daz is the second greatest producer of all time behind Dre.  And Johnny J needs to be in one of those tiers

[TraceOneInfinite]

lmao... the tracks on all eyez on me are great, but sound nothing like dogg food

and btw, quik mixed those.

I don't know bout that homie... Dogg Food and All Eyez On Me are like Jeffrey Jordan and Michael Jordan.  Daz even said something in a recent info about All Eyez on Me being a Dogg Pound album or some shit to that effect.

Because you basically took like an already great and living legend artist which was 2pac, who had already mastered his sound, his craft, his image -- on 5 Mic Classic Me Against the World.  And united him with the Death Row Family which was at that moment riding the strength of the platinum Dogg Food album as their most recent project.

So Pac gets out of jail and IMMEDIATELY goes to the studio and Daz is already there, and already has everything locked, loaded, and ready.  So the Dogg Food album and the All Eyez on Me album are just too close together for you to try to argue that they are a different sound.  To me, the sound is the same.   

[b.laden]

But who the fucc polished his RRGB bangers?!?  Cause that whole album was flawless as well.

exactly . that s why this thread is suspicious and  no disrespect towards tharealSMK  ..
and the soundtrack Gang Related contains a few Daz classics like Way too major, mash for our dream, life so hard
and these songs are typically death row and Daz s sounds . No Dre , No Quik behind . Daz and Soopafly
Daz 's style is recognizable,consistent . he dont use many samples unlike Dr Dre

[HighEyeCue]

That's so weird how JD keeps getting dissed by Death Row affiliates and yet all along all of them were friends, SMH

Kriss Kross tells stories of learning to sip 40's and shit at a young age with the Dogg Pound.  Many mentions of parties where they were hanging out in Atlanta at JD/So So Def parties.   One of the first artists Snoop collabed with when he was trying to break free of Death Row was JD for JD's first solo and first solo single on "Wanna Party" but because of Snoop still kind of being tied to Death Row it was restricted from going on the album so JayD had to make a version of Usher to launch his album.  But I specifically remember rollin around and bumpin this single when Snoop was still technically on Death Row (but stranded, just months before joining Master P)



Again, that fascinating lost era of West Coast Rap between the fall of Death Row and resurgence era sparked by "Bitch Please" feat. Xzibit prod. by Dre



^^This is the version JayD said he had to make when he couldn't get Snoop cleared for the album (probably because of Suge)

yeah I really don't know the exact moment when things went south between Death Row and JD

that song that leaked a while ago proved that Snoop and them were cool at one point

[Sccit]

Not bad tiers but Daz is the second greatest producer of all time behind Dre.  And Johnny J needs to be in one of those tiers

daz is better than warren or quik?


LOL

[Sccit]

I don't know bout that homie... Dogg Food and All Eyez On Me are like Jeffrey Jordan and Michael Jordan.  Daz even said something in a recent info about All Eyez on Me being a Dogg Pound album or some shit to that effect.

Because you basically took like an already great and living legend artist which was 2pac, who had already mastered his sound, his craft, his image -- on 5 Mic Classic Me Against the World.  And united him with the Death Row Family which was at that moment riding the strength of the platinum Dogg Food album as their most recent project.

So Pac gets out of jail and IMMEDIATELY goes to the studio and Daz is already there, and already has everything locked, loaded, and ready.  So the Dogg Food album and the All Eyez on Me album are just too close together for you to try to argue that they are a different sound.  To me, the sound is the same.

daz beats on dogg food has a much larger and more polished sound .. the layering is on 2 different levels .. there's a similarity, but you can clearly tell it was handled by 2 different people (dre vs quik)