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Twentytwofifty:
--- Quote from: Don Breezio on July 06, 2003, 12:23:58 AM ---for this same reason i dont agree w/ a lot of the things eminem raps about (mainly on the marshall mathers lp)...the mmlp was total bullshit. it was all poppy songs that the general public would love and it said nothing useful. whereas the eminem show got a lot more personal and a lot more complex.
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That is nonsense. How are "Kill U", "The Way I Am", "Remember Me", "Amityville", "Kim", "Criminal", etc. all poppy songs? That album is far from commercial..
D.R.E.-Dogg:
--- Quote from: S.G.V. on July 05, 2003, 11:24:35 AM ---im not sayin 50 is makin deep songs...cuz he aint capable of it...but hes usin the same contraversy angle that pac used...u cant tell me hes not...and not only is 50s horrible lyrics killin hip hop...but those crappy diss records and the shitty battle hes involved with aint helpin either....this guy is supposed to be a leader now in hip hop...and hes doin nothin new...
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I said it before.. the only controversy they sharing is the general gangsta image and being shot which is closely connected with the gangsta image.. and that's nothin to do with bitin or eatin off Pac
50 ain't got Pac's subject matter expect for gangsta lyrics and u don't wanna tell me a rapper is bitin Pac cuz he's rappin about gangsta shit.. all the other deep stuff Pac's known for and the image of the socially engaged 'black leader' as some fans refere to him and all that shit is nothin 50 ever fucked with..
and u know how the beef started.. it was Ja who started the beef with 50 as well as the beef with Shady.. so are they supposed to let him talk shit?
plus this beef ain't hurting HipHop no matter what u think of the diss records.. aren't u the one who even said Ja's disses were good?
and I never said 50 's doin anything new but doin nothin new is not destroyin hiphop
D.R.E.-Dogg:
Breezio.. Ja's old style is nothin like DMX.. are u kiddin?
well I don't see the point in arguing about wether Lay Low is pure hiphop or RnB/HipHop I definatly don't see any RNB in it but if u do I won't tripp.. so according to u 50 has one RnB singer on his album.. this still nothin like Ja..
Nate, Butch Cassidy and kokane hooks are HipHop to me.. TQ is as RnB as it gets.. nothin like Nate or butch.. he can not 'do it' imo.. but I won't start a discussion about TQ now so that doesn't matter
and MMLP was defiantly not full of pop shit.. I'll repeat, 50 is selling, that doesn't mean other rappers will hide their skills and write simple lyrics just cuz 50 does, does it? it's not destroying hiphop in any way, everybody knew before that u ain't gotta be very lyrical to sell alotta units.. and subject matter is taste.. if u don't like the gangsta talk thats u.. I ain't got no problem with it..
S.G.V.:
--- Quote from: The Hoe Hopper on July 06, 2003, 07:10:54 AM ---
I said it before.. the only controversy they sharing is the general gangsta image and being shot which is closely connected with the gangsta image.. and that's nothin to do with bitin or eatin off Pac
50 ain't got Pac's subject matter expect for gangsta lyrics and u don't wanna tell me a rapper is bitin Pac cuz he's rappin about gangsta shit.. all the other deep stuff Pac's known for and the image of the socially engaged 'black leader' as some fans refere to him and all that shit is nothin 50 ever fucked with..
and u know how the beef started.. it was Ja who started the beef with 50 as well as the beef with Shady.. so are they supposed to let him talk shit?
plus this beef ain't hurting HipHop no matter what u think of the diss records.. aren't u the one who even said Ja's disses were good?
and I never said 50 's doin anything new but doin nothin new is not destroyin hiphop
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i dont know if u r readin what i write or not...but 50 is usin the same contraversy image that pac used..ALWAYS mentioning his gettin shot...that whole fuck the world mentality...its adapted from pac...not bein gangsta...cuz pac wasnt...
also...50 dissed ja first...as far as i know...i aint heard it in a minute...but didnt he drop jas name in "how to rob?"....and the battle was horrible..the best tracks were mediocre...jas tracks were good in comparison to the horrible records and em and 50 put out...really if it wasnt for obie that whole entire beef would be shitty...even bodygaurd...like someone said about "the wrap" take away the dope beat...and u dont got much....battles like this..between the main staples of hip hop hurt the community...nas vs jay-z was a great beef...that made hiphop look good...because they dropped quality...not a track a day sayin the same stuff over and over...
also...ja had a couple tracks where he harmonized on his first album...i forget the name of the track..but it was remixed and put on the fast and the furious soundtrack...well the original was on jas first album...and he was harmonizin on it...koke...nate...butch cassidy...lv...levitti...theyre all r & b...they dont rap...so they cant be rappers...its that simple...if theyre hip hop...then so is TQ...and Mary J Blige...
D.R.E.-Dogg:
I hope u didn't read my post propely otherwise I don't think we'll ever get any further cuz u said the same shit u said 4 posts ago..
I said he rapped about being Gangsta not he was gangsta.. I know Pac wasn't Gangsta.. 50 isn't even all about fuck the world he's just about himself and what he is/did n shit.. his mentioning of getting shot ain't got shit to do with Pac
u don't nkow that far if u think 50 dissed Ja first.. Ja started frontin on 50when he saw him with a guy who robbed Ja before.. that's how it started, not with a diss on wax.. Body Guard was dope but I coulda told what u was gonna say about it before I heard it.. there was nothin wack about Bump Heads, it's not about the oppinion of a guy who prefers a Benzino track over 90% of Em's catalogue but about a neutral view on it.. I am being neutral when I say it was nothin that special but it was definatly not wack either and it doesn't 'the hurt the community'.. Hail Mary was the only unoriginal track even though that callin it bitin is damn stupid
and for the last time I'll repeat I know they not rappin and I know their solo shit ain't hiphop but their hooks are hiphop hooks
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