FUCK WWF

[herpes]

i still post here.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

^^

What ever happened with this?

[Mo Z. Dizzle]

i doubt they got sued, otherwise it probably would've been on the news or something like some of the cases involving them.

[Shallow]

Charging triple the price for people in wheel charis is probably one of Vince's finer moments. Compared to the other shit he's done this makes him look like a saint. We're talking about a guy that fires women while they are pregnant.

[WC Iz Active]

i still post here.

yes unfortunately you do

[Sikotic™]

We're talking about a guy that fires women while they are pregnant.

I actually support him on that lol. Being pregnant is a choice.

[jeromechickenbone]

Charging triple the price for people in wheel charis is probably one of Vince's finer moments. Compared to the other shit he's done this makes him look like a saint. We're talking about a guy that fires women while they are pregnant.

I'd do it too.  You know there's bitches out there that get a job, get pregnant and then do whatever the fuck they want because if they dare get fired they'll just try and sue for discimination.  Fuck that shit.  Plus it's not like they woke up one morning and noticed they got pregnant.  It's their doing, their own problem, not his.

[swangin and bangin]

wrestling is dead it died in like 2001
90's was wrestling's prime

[Shallow]

Charging triple the price for people in wheel charis is probably one of Vince's finer moments. Compared to the other shit he's done this makes him look like a saint. We're talking about a guy that fires women while they are pregnant.

I'd do it too.  You know there's bitches out there that get a job, get pregnant and then do whatever the fuck they want because if they dare get fired they'll just try and sue for discimination.  Fuck that shit.  Plus it's not like they woke up one morning and noticed they got pregnant.  It's their doing, their own problem, not his.

Ok, Sik's post is kind of comical. Your's is scary. How would you feel if your mother was single and fired while she was carrying you? Or if you were the boss and the terminations caused immense stress which ended up giving the baby a birth defect. Women who work for multi-million or multi-billion dollar companies should have to base their decision of whether or not to have an abortion based on whether or not their employer will keep them in the company if they choose to keep the baby. It would have cost Vince next to nothing to keep her on for 5 more months. Of course he probably didn't even know she was pregnant. He doesn't seem to know much about anything these days, which is why his company's going down the shitter and living off Steve Austin money. This guy fires a pregnant women, fires a pair of newlyweds right after their wedding, and fires a guy for being injured after he got injured working for Vince in the ring. Two of the three are illegal in most jobs and rightfully so, and would be illegal if some law firm decided to go pro ono ad take Vince to courst, but the only law firms that have the money don't want to drag their name in the mud by going anywhere near pro wrestling.

[Sikotic™]

I see your point of view especially if you relate it to a single mother, but is it really Vince's problem that she couldn't keep her legs closed until after her contract ran out? Vince, just like any other employer, hires these women so that they actually WORK while they're under contract. My mother would not have done that when she was pregnant with me because she was more responsible than that. Dawn Marie knew she was wrong, that's why she didn't sue.

Just because Dawn Marie wants to have a kid all of a sudden, so now Vince has to pay for it? Of course he could of kept her on the payroll, but he used her as an example. If one woman decides to have a baby and get paid time off until she has the baby, recoups from that, nurses the child, and loses the fat then every other woman is gonna want to do the same. It's especially not fair when women want to cry about equality, but they want their equality to be selective.

What he did to Jackie/Haas and Test was cold-hearted, but what he did to Dawn Marie is perfectly okay in my book. That's probably why he rehired Haas and Test (eventhough I doubt he has a conscience) and Dawn will be working high school gymnasiums for the rest of her career. She tried to use the system in order to get paid while having a kid and it backfired.

[Shallow]

I see your point of view especially if you relate it to a single mother, but is it really Vince's problem that she couldn't keep her legs closed until after her contract ran out? Vince, just like any other employer, hires these women so that they actually WORK while they're under contract. My mother would not have done that when she was pregnant with me because she was more responsible than that. Dawn Marie knew she was wrong, that's why she didn't sue.

Just because Dawn Marie wants to have a kid all of a sudden, so now Vince has to pay for it? Of course he could of kept her on the payroll, but he used her as an example. If one woman decides to have a baby and get paid time off until she has the baby, recoups from that, nurses the child, and loses the fat then every other woman is gonna want to do the same. It's especially not fair when women want to cry about equality, but they want their equality to be selective.

What he did to Jackie/Haas and Test was cold-hearted, but what he did to Dawn Marie is perfectly okay in my book. That's probably why he rehired Haas and Test (eventhough I doubt he has a conscience) and Dawn will be working high school gymnasiums for the rest of her career. She tried to use the system in order to get paid while having a kid and it backfired.

Right or wrong it was simply a bonehead move. If getting fired created enough stress and her a miscarriage he would have looked like an even bigger monster than normal. It would have cost him nothing to keep her until the end of the pregnancy. She was fired in July and the baby was born in in December. Personally I don't think they fired her because she was pregnant. I think they would have fired her anyway. And I don't think she was looking to get paid for free since she worked the indy circuit while 9 months pregnant, and would have worked pregnant in WWE probably, and I'm sure they would have wanted to do some stupid who's the father angle, but I think they just rather fire her since they were letting a lot of people go at that time.

But I have to strongly disagree with your sentiments. When you are under contract with a company and get a steady paycheck it is simply illegal to fire a women while pregnant and it sends a terrible message about the wonders of new life. WWF talent has been treated like shit since Vince took over. The idea that people working weekends that generate over 2 million in 3 days aren't given paid travel and paid hotels is absurd and not even thought of in any major form of sport or entertainment. WWE survives this display of evil, that leads to several deaths a year by the way, because they are already seen as smut. If members of a football team in the NFL were treated like this and 2 guys a year died less than ten years after leaving the team the owner would only be destroyed in the media, he'd probably see jail time. The funny thing is that if Dawn Marie worked in the office as a secretary she'd have all her flights and hotels paid for and have her maternity leave covered.

[jeromechickenbone]

Charging triple the price for people in wheel charis is probably one of Vince's finer moments. Compared to the other shit he's done this makes him look like a saint. We're talking about a guy that fires women while they are pregnant.

I'd do it too.  You know there's bitches out there that get a job, get pregnant and then do whatever the fuck they want because if they dare get fired they'll just try and sue for discimination.  Fuck that shit.  Plus it's not like they woke up one morning and noticed they got pregnant.  It's their doing, their own problem, not his.

Ok, Sik's post is kind of comical. Your's is scary. How would you feel if your mother was single and fired while she was carrying you? Or if you were the boss and the terminations caused immense stress which ended up giving the baby a birth defect. Women who work for multi-million or multi-billion dollar companies should have to base their decision of whether or not to have an abortion based on whether or not their employer will keep them in the company if they choose to keep the baby. It would have cost Vince next to nothing to keep her on for 5 more months. Of course he probably didn't even know she was pregnant. He doesn't seem to know much about anything these days, which is why his company's going down the shitter and living off Steve Austin money. This guy fires a pregnant women, fires a pair of newlyweds right after their wedding, and fires a guy for being injured after he got injured working for Vince in the ring. Two of the three are illegal in most jobs and rightfully so, and would be illegal if some law firm decided to go pro ono ad take Vince to courst, but the only law firms that have the money don't want to drag their name in the mud by going anywhere near pro wrestling.

My parents were married when they had me.  My dad worked 2 jobs just so my mom could stay home with the kids.  It's called being responsible for yourself and not looking for handouts all the fucking time.  People need to either have this plan underway, or stop having kids.

LOL, what was scary about my post?  Re-read the scenario that I unfolded and tell me I'm wrong.  And if you want to play some roles here, say this:  You own a small business.  You can afford one employee who is basically a receptionist.  Nothing specialized, just a job that anyone with half a brain can do.  Well your little receptionist gets knocked up.  Pretty soon she's taking lots of days off cuz she has to go to the doctor every other week.  It's a real fucking pain for you because you can no longer do your job because you're stuck doing two jobs.  It's tolerable at first, but soon you find yourself working 12+ hour days just to catch up.  Then she eventually gets around to popping the kid out and she's gone for weeks, maybe a month or longer depending on the situation.  It could very well be enough to take down your business.  You're completely fucked in this situation because you can't afford to pay someone else and you can't fire her because you'll get sued.  All because your employee got pregnant. 

And you know, if she's a good person maybe you'll look past it.  But what if she turns into a royal fucking bitch that exploits her situation for everything it's worth because she knows she can get away with it and there's nothing you can do?  If it's the latter, then I say fuck her.  You shouldn't apply blanket principals without knowing the facts.  If you don't think people exploit every system we have in place you're naive.

[Shallow]

Charging triple the price for people in wheel charis is probably one of Vince's finer moments. Compared to the other shit he's done this makes him look like a saint. We're talking about a guy that fires women while they are pregnant.

I'd do it too.  You know there's bitches out there that get a job, get pregnant and then do whatever the fuck they want because if they dare get fired they'll just try and sue for discimination.  Fuck that shit.  Plus it's not like they woke up one morning and noticed they got pregnant.  It's their doing, their own problem, not his.

Ok, Sik's post is kind of comical. Your's is scary. How would you feel if your mother was single and fired while she was carrying you? Or if you were the boss and the terminations caused immense stress which ended up giving the baby a birth defect. Women who work for multi-million or multi-billion dollar companies should have to base their decision of whether or not to have an abortion based on whether or not their employer will keep them in the company if they choose to keep the baby. It would have cost Vince next to nothing to keep her on for 5 more months. Of course he probably didn't even know she was pregnant. He doesn't seem to know much about anything these days, which is why his company's going down the shitter and living off Steve Austin money. This guy fires a pregnant women, fires a pair of newlyweds right after their wedding, and fires a guy for being injured after he got injured working for Vince in the ring. Two of the three are illegal in most jobs and rightfully so, and would be illegal if some law firm decided to go pro ono ad take Vince to courst, but the only law firms that have the money don't want to drag their name in the mud by going anywhere near pro wrestling.

My parents were married when they had me.  My dad worked 2 jobs just so my mom could stay home with the kids.  It's called being responsible for yourself and not looking for handouts all the fucking time.  People need to either have this plan underway, or stop having kids.

LOL, what was scary about my post?  Re-read the scenario that I unfolded and tell me I'm wrong.  And if you want to play some roles here, say this:  You own a small business.  You can afford one employee who is basically a receptionist.  Nothing specialized, just a job that anyone with half a brain can do.  Well your little receptionist gets knocked up.  Pretty soon she's taking lots of days off cuz she has to go to the doctor every other week.  It's a real fucking pain for you because you can no longer do your job because you're stuck doing two jobs.  It's tolerable at first, but soon you find yourself working 12+ hour days just to catch up.  Then she eventually gets around to popping the kid out and she's gone for weeks, maybe a month or longer depending on the situation.  It could very well be enough to take down your business.  You're completely fucked in this situation because you can't afford to pay someone else and you can't fire her because you'll get sued.  All because your employee got pregnant. 

And you know, if she's a good person maybe you'll look past it.  But what if she turns into a royal fucking bitch that exploits her situation for everything it's worth because she knows she can get away with it and there's nothing you can do?  If it's the latter, then I say fuck her.  You shouldn't apply blanket principals without knowing the facts.  If you don't think people exploit every system we have in place you're naive.

How exactly does that apply to a billionaire who may have spent more money on severance than he would have if he kept her on with limited appearances even though she never asked for time off? This is not a case of a woman wanting to stay home and leach off of the employers money and certainly not a case of the employer going out of business. Dawn Marie was ready to work and could have done every show (and the pregnancy look probably would have helped her since it'd make her look different than the other girls), and like I said they probably had her on the short list to be fired anyway. Here in Canada the employment insurance aka social security pays for the maternal leave, not the company and with all the bullshit the US pays for with tax money I'd hardly think reasonable maternity leave would be so far out of the question. Also wrestlers are contract workers. You show up to the show you get paid. You don't show you don't get paid. He wouldn't even have to pay her. She made enough money in the WWE to take care of herself. I'm talking about the personal cruelty of telling a woman who is 4 months pregnant that she is fired. And I'm talking about the stupidity of the whole thing from a business sense. It took the risk of making him and the company look bad. Of course we're talking about a company that used the real life death of a star and his widow and tried to make a wrestling angle out of it, so how much worse could they look?

Even if they did pay her, the WWF was famous for paying certain people for doing nothing. Vince Sr. gave his son a list of loyal guys that Vince wasn't allowed to fire, and these old timers stayed on the payroll until they died.


P.S. you're extreme libertarian example (I am a libertarian by the way and arguments like that make the whole movement look bad) was a bit silly. I have never heard of an employer being forced to pay someone maternity leave if it meant going out of business.

[jeromechickenbone]

Charging triple the price for people in wheel charis is probably one of Vince's finer moments. Compared to the other shit he's done this makes him look like a saint. We're talking about a guy that fires women while they are pregnant.

I'd do it too.  You know there's bitches out there that get a job, get pregnant and then do whatever the fuck they want because if they dare get fired they'll just try and sue for discimination.  Fuck that shit.  Plus it's not like they woke up one morning and noticed they got pregnant.  It's their doing, their own problem, not his.

Ok, Sik's post is kind of comical. Your's is scary. How would you feel if your mother was single and fired while she was carrying you? Or if you were the boss and the terminations caused immense stress which ended up giving the baby a birth defect. Women who work for multi-million or multi-billion dollar companies should have to base their decision of whether or not to have an abortion based on whether or not their employer will keep them in the company if they choose to keep the baby. It would have cost Vince next to nothing to keep her on for 5 more months. Of course he probably didn't even know she was pregnant. He doesn't seem to know much about anything these days, which is why his company's going down the shitter and living off Steve Austin money. This guy fires a pregnant women, fires a pair of newlyweds right after their wedding, and fires a guy for being injured after he got injured working for Vince in the ring. Two of the three are illegal in most jobs and rightfully so, and would be illegal if some law firm decided to go pro ono ad take Vince to courst, but the only law firms that have the money don't want to drag their name in the mud by going anywhere near pro wrestling.

My parents were married when they had me.  My dad worked 2 jobs just so my mom could stay home with the kids.  It's called being responsible for yourself and not looking for handouts all the fucking time.  People need to either have this plan underway, or stop having kids.

LOL, what was scary about my post?  Re-read the scenario that I unfolded and tell me I'm wrong.  And if you want to play some roles here, say this:  You own a small business.  You can afford one employee who is basically a receptionist.  Nothing specialized, just a job that anyone with half a brain can do.  Well your little receptionist gets knocked up.  Pretty soon she's taking lots of days off cuz she has to go to the doctor every other week.  It's a real fucking pain for you because you can no longer do your job because you're stuck doing two jobs.  It's tolerable at first, but soon you find yourself working 12+ hour days just to catch up.  Then she eventually gets around to popping the kid out and she's gone for weeks, maybe a month or longer depending on the situation.  It could very well be enough to take down your business.  You're completely fucked in this situation because you can't afford to pay someone else and you can't fire her because you'll get sued.  All because your employee got pregnant. 

And you know, if she's a good person maybe you'll look past it.  But what if she turns into a royal fucking bitch that exploits her situation for everything it's worth because she knows she can get away with it and there's nothing you can do?  If it's the latter, then I say fuck her.  You shouldn't apply blanket principals without knowing the facts.  If you don't think people exploit every system we have in place you're naive.

How exactly does that apply to a billionaire who may have spent more money on severance than he would have if he kept her on with limited appearances even though she never asked for time off? This is not a case of a woman wanting to stay home and leach off of the employers money and certainly not a case of the employer going out of business. Dawn Marie was ready to work and could have done every show (and the pregnancy look probably would have helped her since it'd make her look different than the other girls), and like I said they probably had her on the short list to be fired anyway. Here in Canada the employment insurance aka social security pays for the maternal leave, not the company and with all the bullshit the US pays for with tax money I'd hardly think reasonable maternity leave would be so far out of the question. Also wrestlers are contract workers. You show up to the show you get paid. You don't show you don't get paid. He wouldn't even have to pay her. She made enough money in the WWE to take care of herself. I'm talking about the personal cruelty of telling a woman who is 4 months pregnant that she is fired. And I'm talking about the stupidity of the whole thing from a business sense. It took the risk of making him and the company look bad. Of course we're talking about a company that used the real life death of a star and his widow and tried to make a wrestling angle out of it, so how much worse could they look?

Even if they did pay her, the WWF was famous for paying certain people for doing nothing. Vince Sr. gave his son a list of loyal guys that Vince wasn't allowed to fire, and these old timers stayed on the payroll until they died.


P.S. you're extreme libertarian example (I am a libertarian by the way and arguments like that make the whole movement look bad) was a bit silly. I have never heard of an employer being forced to pay someone maternity leave if it meant going out of business.

Even if she was fired to save the business, there's still people like you that'll lead a crusade on the woman's behalf and invariably taint the business forever anyway.  Say it doesn't go out of business, but you're working 80 hour weeks because of it.  Does that make it any better?  You're trying to pick apart my example, but you're missing the point which is that you deemed my initial post "scary" because I presented that their shouldn't be sweeping generalizations made on this subject.  Then you went on to say that if her maternity leave would bring down the business, then she should indeed be fired.  Looks like you now agree with my "scary" post.

So Vince should have continued to use her as a "Wrestler"?  Even if she never gets into the ring, she could be near the action and fall down or some shit and boom! Miscarriage and lawsuit.  Then you've got all kinds of people freaking the fuck out..."Vince is a complete asshole for MAKING this woman continue to work while she was pregnant!!"  And maybe he had plans for her that didn't include a pregnancy angle.  Or how about your other suggestion - don't invite her to do any shows.  Well now he just discriminated against her again because he wouldn't bring her to shows because she's pregnant.  He's fucked no matter what he does.

[Shallow]

Charging triple the price for people in wheel charis is probably one of Vince's finer moments. Compared to the other shit he's done this makes him look like a saint. We're talking about a guy that fires women while they are pregnant.

I'd do it too.  You know there's bitches out there that get a job, get pregnant and then do whatever the fuck they want because if they dare get fired they'll just try and sue for discimination.  Fuck that shit.  Plus it's not like they woke up one morning and noticed they got pregnant.  It's their doing, their own problem, not his.

Ok, Sik's post is kind of comical. Your's is scary. How would you feel if your mother was single and fired while she was carrying you? Or if you were the boss and the terminations caused immense stress which ended up giving the baby a birth defect. Women who work for multi-million or multi-billion dollar companies should have to base their decision of whether or not to have an abortion based on whether or not their employer will keep them in the company if they choose to keep the baby. It would have cost Vince next to nothing to keep her on for 5 more months. Of course he probably didn't even know she was pregnant. He doesn't seem to know much about anything these days, which is why his company's going down the shitter and living off Steve Austin money. This guy fires a pregnant women, fires a pair of newlyweds right after their wedding, and fires a guy for being injured after he got injured working for Vince in the ring. Two of the three are illegal in most jobs and rightfully so, and would be illegal if some law firm decided to go pro ono ad take Vince to courst, but the only law firms that have the money don't want to drag their name in the mud by going anywhere near pro wrestling.

My parents were married when they had me.  My dad worked 2 jobs just so my mom could stay home with the kids.  It's called being responsible for yourself and not looking for handouts all the fucking time.  People need to either have this plan underway, or stop having kids.

LOL, what was scary about my post?  Re-read the scenario that I unfolded and tell me I'm wrong.  And if you want to play some roles here, say this:  You own a small business.  You can afford one employee who is basically a receptionist.  Nothing specialized, just a job that anyone with half a brain can do.  Well your little receptionist gets knocked up.  Pretty soon she's taking lots of days off cuz she has to go to the doctor every other week.  It's a real fucking pain for you because you can no longer do your job because you're stuck doing two jobs.  It's tolerable at first, but soon you find yourself working 12+ hour days just to catch up.  Then she eventually gets around to popping the kid out and she's gone for weeks, maybe a month or longer depending on the situation.  It could very well be enough to take down your business.  You're completely fucked in this situation because you can't afford to pay someone else and you can't fire her because you'll get sued.  All because your employee got pregnant. 

And you know, if she's a good person maybe you'll look past it.  But what if she turns into a royal fucking bitch that exploits her situation for everything it's worth because she knows she can get away with it and there's nothing you can do?  If it's the latter, then I say fuck her.  You shouldn't apply blanket principals without knowing the facts.  If you don't think people exploit every system we have in place you're naive.

How exactly does that apply to a billionaire who may have spent more money on severance than he would have if he kept her on with limited appearances even though she never asked for time off? This is not a case of a woman wanting to stay home and leach off of the employers money and certainly not a case of the employer going out of business. Dawn Marie was ready to work and could have done every show (and the pregnancy look probably would have helped her since it'd make her look different than the other girls), and like I said they probably had her on the short list to be fired anyway. Here in Canada the employment insurance aka social security pays for the maternal leave, not the company and with all the bullshit the US pays for with tax money I'd hardly think reasonable maternity leave would be so far out of the question. Also wrestlers are contract workers. You show up to the show you get paid. You don't show you don't get paid. He wouldn't even have to pay her. She made enough money in the WWE to take care of herself. I'm talking about the personal cruelty of telling a woman who is 4 months pregnant that she is fired. And I'm talking about the stupidity of the whole thing from a business sense. It took the risk of making him and the company look bad. Of course we're talking about a company that used the real life death of a star and his widow and tried to make a wrestling angle out of it, so how much worse could they look?

Even if they did pay her, the WWF was famous for paying certain people for doing nothing. Vince Sr. gave his son a list of loyal guys that Vince wasn't allowed to fire, and these old timers stayed on the payroll until they died.


P.S. you're extreme libertarian example (I am a libertarian by the way and arguments like that make the whole movement look bad) was a bit silly. I have never heard of an employer being forced to pay someone maternity leave if it meant going out of business.

Even if she was fired to save the business, there's still people like you that'll lead a crusade on the woman's behalf and invariably taint the business forever anyway.  Say it doesn't go out of business, but you're working 80 hour weeks because of it.  Does that make it any better?  You're trying to pick apart my example, but you're missing the point which is that you deemed my initial post "scary" because I presented that their shouldn't be sweeping generalizations made on this subject.  Then you went on to say that if her maternity leave would bring down the business, then she should indeed be fired.  Looks like you now agree with my "scary" post.

So Vince should have continued to use her as a "Wrestler"?  Even if she never gets into the ring, she could be near the action and fall down or some shit and boom! Miscarriage and lawsuit.  Then you've got all kinds of people freaking the fuck out..."Vince is a complete asshole for MAKING this woman continue to work while she was pregnant!!"  And maybe he had plans for her that didn't include a pregnancy angle.  Or how about your other suggestion - don't invite her to do any shows.  Well now he just discriminated against her again because he wouldn't bring her to shows because she's pregnant.  He's fucked no matter what he does.

How will any employer not be able to hire someone else in her place if social security is covering the paychecks? You make no sense. No one is saying that a company should be forced by the government to pay a pregnant woman and not in turn have the government take care of it.

Vince wasn't fucked either way. He could have just let her sit at home and pay her the same he would pay a man on injury for the few months until she had the baby and then decide whether to fire her or not. It was real easy and it would have cost him less than what he paid for meals in that 5 month period. It wasn't going to hurt him. I wouldn't go after a man that fired people because he couldn't support them and his company. Hell that stupid minimum wage law in the 60s cost a lot of teens and blacks their jobs and I don't blame the bosses. I blame the government. But when the case is a fucking billionaire firing a pregnant woman when he didn't have to I will not defend him. This guy used a real life death as a storyline on a wrestling show. He's a fucking moster with no morals and anyone that takes a piece out of him is a-ok in my book. Sometimes doing what's best for your image even if it costs you a little money is overall better for business. Angelina gives away a few million while the cameras are on to kids in Africa but she makes a lot more than that with the publicity she gets off it when it comes time for her next movie contract.


I'm all for equal opoortunity. I oppose welfare, and government housing because I think it hurts the recipients in the long run. I hate government intervention and I'm not a fan of permits or taxes. But the little things here and there should count for something. Having the right to protect your own business and livelyhood and being cruel and stupid are two different things. If you witness the couple next door molest children time and again and you don't report them then it's your ass for being a fucking dickhead. I don't by into that I have to think about what they'll do to me if they find out I told crap. You have the responsibility to your community and to humanity to report such crimes and you deserve punishment you get. And if you can easily pay for a pregnant women to stay on and you risk her health and her livelyhood by firing her while pregnant then you deserve the lawsuit and certainly deserve the negative publicity. So that your customers can now decide whether they want to buy from you. I consciously made the choice years ago to never put a dime in that filth's pocket and I'm sticking to it. The fact that the product sucks only makes it easier for me to stay away.

How about this one? If you own a store and you tell a worker to do a job and he gets hurt doing it do you then fire him while he is nursing the injury? (and it wasn't anything wrong he did that got him hurt, but it was a freak accident).