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Modern-day Jews DO descend from biblical time Israelites.
Trauma-san:
--- Quote from: SandNigga on November 20, 2003, 10:23:04 PM ---You fuckin idiot. If you're gonna take someone else's position, at least get your fuckin facts straight before you add your opinion. You said that Jews could argue that no muslim could possibly go to heaven, and that only descendants of Abraham could. When in fact muslims are descendants of Abraham.
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Hey Genius. JEWS DONT BELIEVE ALL MUSLIMS ARE DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM. Damn. Like I Geezy just said, it's not a race, whereas Jews are ALL descendants of Abraham, those who aren't are symbolicly adopted into Abraham's lineage. Jews would never believe that a descendant of Abraham who wasn't jewish would be saved! I didn't say it was RIGHT, I just said it's what Jews believe, because that's what's in the BIBLE. Slow your roll, as I said, you're way over your head on this one.
Trauma-san:
--- Quote from: SandNigga on November 21, 2003, 12:52:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 20, 2003, 10:52:32 PM ---I'll clear it up, the muslim religion was based in the middle east, at first this was a paganic religion it's monoteistic direction was brought by Muhamed, but even up untill that point it existed just in a differend form, now the people who were the original Muslims were those same Ishmaelite tribes in the Arabic Paninsula.
Islam is not a rase it's a religion, and it's the easiest one to convert into, u have to say one sentence to become Muslim, I was talkin' bout the Original Muslims and about the background Islam is based upon.
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One thing wasn't very clear to me; are you saying that a form of Islam existed before Mohammed? If you are, that is completely false. There was no Islam before Mohammed, Islam began with Mohammed. That's why the belief in Mohammed is one of the main principles of the religion.
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Man, honestly, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Let me give you some lessons in English. He's clearly, to the educated, saying that at first, in the middle east, there were Paganic religions, Muhammad took that religion and turned it into what is now modern day Islam. Are you even Muslim? All Muslims know that Muhammad didn't invent the Islam religion, many muslims consider Islam the original religion.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: SandNigga on November 21, 2003, 12:52:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 20, 2003, 10:52:32 PM ---I'll clear it up, the muslim religion was based in the middle east, at first this was a paganic religion it's monoteistic direction was brought by Muhamed, but even up untill that point it existed just in a differend form, now the people who were the original Muslims were those same Ishmaelite tribes in the Arabic Paninsula.
Islam is not a rase it's a religion, and it's the easiest one to convert into, u have to say one sentence to become Muslim, I was talkin' bout the Original Muslims and about the background Islam is based upon.
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One thing wasn't very clear to me; are you saying that a form of Islam existed before Mohammed? If you are, that is completely false. There was no Islam before Mohammed, Islam began with Mohammed. That's why the belief in Mohammed is one of the main principles of the religion.
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no it's not false it's a historical fact in fact, the holly black stone in mecca(if not meddina, I may be mistaken as for the city) which remains Holly to Islam even these days was one of the things that pre-monoteistic pre-muhamed Paganic form of Islam worshiped(it kinda reminded the ancsient Egyption religion). This Muhamed-menifested Islam in fact was directed at the Paganic-Islam worshipers that's why it's impact was so instant.
Lincoln:
About the Mohammed/Pagan topic:
Paganism was the dominant religion, then Mohammed destroyed it. He didn't "re-direct" paganism to become monotheistic, he converted all the Pagans (or Killed them ;D). They are 2 different religions, Islam did not derive from Paganism at all.
UnstoppableForce:
Trauma you clearly have no fuckin clue about anything. Muhammed didn't turn paganic religions into Islam, he spoke out against paganism, and informed people about there being One Almighty God. In addition, muslims don't belive that Islam is the original religion. We accept and believe what happened before, we acknowledge the Torah and the Bible to be holy books, we believe in all the prophets that came before Muhammed, including Jesus; the only thing is that we consider the other religions to be incomplete because they don't include the life of Muhammed, who to us was God's last messenger.
Please stay out of topics you don't know shit about. I already schooled you on the patriot act discussion, and the spending bill one, when will you learn you fool.
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