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do you consider rappers musicians?
Jome:
Rappers make music, and are therefore musicians, imo.
Some more than others, e.g. singing/harmonizing on choruses etc.
There's not many rappers that have never sung.. almost everybody did it at one time or another, and some rappers even raps in a singing way, e.g. Bone Thugs.
And rapping is about flowing properly over a beat, so that's a musical challenge right there.
Darksider:
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on January 14, 2004, 11:20:06 AM ---I do consider them musicians.
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Don Jacob:
--- Quote from: Ibrahim Islam on January 14, 2004, 07:42:02 AM ---Not only are rappers musicians; but hip-hop is superior to all other forms of music. Making rap artists the greatest musicians of our era, or any era for that matter. There is melody, rythym, tone, and pitch in their voices when they rap. They say one note high and one note low.
This is something I've always said, Dre is a better producer, composer than Mozart, Beathoven, or any of those dead guys. Eminem is a better artist and paints a more vivid picture than Vango with a paintbrush. Eminem and 2pac have more musical talent than anyone to ever touch a microphone or hold a stage in any time period.
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okay this is where i go off:
you think that rappers are superior cuz they say one not high and one note low?!!!!!! are you fucking retarted? here is a complete list of singers who do the exact same thing ....BUT BETTER! any of these artists could do what a rapper could do, BUT no rapper could do what they do....
steven tyler: listen to 'dream on'.....on the real only 2% of the male population in this planet could sing that well. and even less could hit that climax note as effectively and frequently and consistantly and as beatiful as steven tyler....oh yeah also, watch the making of "walk this way" with run DMC , it's sad really. Steven tyler is rapping and and freestyling better than Run and Darrell!!!! also go listen to the OG walk this way and it's CLEAR steven tyler flows on that song better than run or dmc! and you want to know what's really sad .........steven tyler has more soul in his voice than many black singers!
chris cornell-like i said above there is only 2 % of the male population that could sing as well and hit notes like steven tyler, and chris cornell is apart of that exclusive club. lsiten to various soundgarden songs and it becomes clear. chris could go from deep and menacing soft and soothing to a high pitched folseto that rivals mariah cary....then after shreeking out a high pitched note he could go back to johnny cash-like low again. that is almost anatomicaly impossible......but he could do it, oh yeah and it doesn't hurt that he can play an instrument effectively at the same time.....something no rapper has done.
freddy mercury- dude was a genius , like steven tyler and chris cornell he possesed a insane range. he also the gift of many vocal techniques that many go to vocal schoool for to learn
all three of these dudes graced mics better than rakim!!!! this is only 3!!! three!!!!! artists of a thousand (literally) that i could name that posses greater vocal skills than any 2 bit rapper!
dre is the man......but he's only the man in the world of hip hop!! bach beethoveen mozart shcubert , et are masters of all music! most of which composed songs and melodies that were 23 -40 minutes long.......dre composes beats that are 3-6 SECONDS at best long , and loops them for 4 minutes! who's the better composer here!? most of these composers wrote different riffs for a many as a 100 different instruments to play at one time.....that's variations of a song for damn near 40 minutes of music , up to or more than 100 instruments playing efficiently at beatifully at once!!! dre on the other hand samples 3 beats asks collin wolfe or mike elizando to create some bass then scraps together a 3 second drum loop...........impressive for a hip hop artist but not nearly as impressive as a 100 piece orchestra play many differet things at once and making classic shit that last over 100 years.....and as far as longevity goes and is concerned, more people are likely to recongnize a bach riff from a few hundred years ago than a dre riff from last year on an obie trice cd! hell i even put dre's most well known song "nuthin but a g thang up against" fur elise.......and more people in the world will recognize and LIKE fur elise. also when you study the notation and structure of a peice (A PEICE!) of music from a bethoveen song it's more complex and artistic than any dre song here's an example
nothin' but a g thang (entire song)
|-7-5-------|----7-5-7-9-7-5---------
|-----7-5-7-|-----------------7-6-5-6
|------------|------------------------
|------------|------------------------
|------------|-----------------------
|------------|-----------------------
|------------|------------------------
THA"TS IT!!!!! that is the whole song,this is what took dre probably 2 months to make!
infinite pick up a guitar, this song is soooooo fucking simple even a beginer could play this shit
now for some classical shit:
7----(7-------------------(7-----10-|-10-----10---------------------0-0--12-|
-7----)7--7-----------7----)7-----8--|-10---------------7-8-7^8^7----0-0--0--|
-7--7-(7-----7-----7-------(7--------|-11--------11-----7-7-7-----9--9-11-9--|
-9--9-----9----------------)9--------|-12--12--------------------------------|
-9-----------------------------------|-12------------12----------------------|
-7--------------7--------7-----7-----|-10------------------------------------|
sl. sl. H P
-----------------7--7--/12-|--12-----12----------8--7--10-7^10^7--|
-----------8--8------------|--12---------12--12--0--5--0-------7--|
-----------9--9--7--7--/9--|--12---------9---9---0-----0----------|
---------------------------|--14--14-----9------------------------|
----/9--7------------------|--14---------10-----------------------|
--0------------------------|--0---0-------------------------------|
(end Rhy. Fig. 1)
okay: this shit is like 5 seconds of a 20 minute song by bethoveen
metallica covered a portio of it on their song "to live is to die" so if you must heear it...
but yeah.....not bad for a fucking deaf dude huh? not bad for someone who couldn't hear what he was doing
also another thing , mozart was writing (great) symphanies when he was just a kid at 8 years old........something dre couldn't do at 40 !
classical music is known as high class art
rap music is known as low end art
that right there automatically void's your little opinion.
as far as eminem painting a better more vivid picture than van gogh...no shit!
real art isn't something you look at and say wow he really drew that guys face pretty realistically!! that is simple and and low end art... high end and real art is what van gogh made. he made art that you had to think about . shit you had to look at and interpret. eminem is a true artist i will give him that but don't say stupid shit like he's up there or above van gogh
it's CLEAR you have no scense of art!
Don Jacob:
rappers are not musicians .....noen of them play instruments ...........and the ones who do ....play them pretty amiturely ,yes and that goes for the roots.
nor are they poets......most of them are horrible rap lyracists an even worse poets. the only man who ever rapped and made sensible poetry was pac
rappers and mc's are just entertainers
Trauma-san:
Don, I'd also like to chime in that Dre didn't even write Nothin' but a G thang, he just sampled the shit, lol. If you've heard I wanna do something freaky to you, it's the same exact fucking beat. That would be like my biggest accomplishment as a producer being a new version of The Watcher. It'd be the same beat Dre did, lol.
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