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do you consider rappers musicians?
NobodyButMe:
--- Quote from: Ibrahim Islam on January 16, 2004, 08:52:20 AM ---
But I don't care if your making music with sticks and trashcans. If it's dope, it's dope. And if you can make your music sound as good with a stick and a trashcan, as Mozart can with an orchestra; then that makes you better than Mozart.
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makin a beat is not the same as making music.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: mauzip on January 16, 2004, 09:11:34 AM ---cam'ron no artist? then what is he? :-\ he's a rapper that brings out cd's and you say he's no artist? ::) :o
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Homes said he is having hard time puting Cam'ron even near the same category as greats like Bethoveen(which is completely understandable), so I just said that it's coo' aproaching the defenition of the word "Artist" as a certain Elite level that not every half- assed- exprementing- self proclaimed musician could be on, meaning thaT the term "Artist" and "Art" as a whole shouldn't be thrown in every direction, it's a metter of quallity in other words.
ZILLA THA GOODFELLA:
--- Quote from: JTPlatnum on January 16, 2004, 09:36:28 AM ---makin a beat is not the same as making music.
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uhh, yea, U dunno wat yur talkin about...if tha composer is makin beats using notes, then he is 4 sure makin music...
yall lookin WAY too much into this shit anyway....makin beats by ear is still makin music technically....a producer is makin music constructing a song from 0....etc etc
tha REAL question U should be asking is are all rappers ARTISTS? hell no....I come from tha most musically (especially hip hop) saturated area in america....I'm in da studio everyday wit all these different cats out here, observing everybody....I can honestly say ALOT of these cats are not artists, they are RAPPERS, the rap, they don't sit there constructing songs wit producers, most of tha time they use lame ass concepts or they don't even have any, this is why I don't give beats out 2 random artists, I have 2 be there in da studio producing tha song, makin somethin out of it, what most of these no talent ass rappers do is buy beats in a bulk and just write shit 2 em and record like 5 songs tha next day, constructing a 'song' is very different than rapping 2 a beat.....lemme break it down 4 tha slow learners.....Artists = 2pac, Nas, Jay-Z, Eminem, Mista CaNE etc etc......Rappers = Cam'ron, Juelz Santana, Kurupt, Daz etc etc
NobodyButMe:
--- Quote from: RODZILLA a.k.a tha7th on January 16, 2004, 11:27:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: JTPlatnum on January 16, 2004, 09:36:28 AM ---makin a beat is not the same as making music.
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uhh, yea, U dunno wat yur talkin about...if tha composer is makin beats using notes, then he is 4 sure makin music...
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banging a rock with sticks produces no musical notes.
Don Jacob:
--- Quote from: Ibrahim Islam on January 16, 2004, 08:52:20 AM ---To break it down... Alot of you are saying.... "Rappers aren't real musicians because making hip-hop beats isn't that complex." And the notes of classical music were compared to the notes played in "Nothin But A G Thang". I can't argue that. Yeah, composing classical music is more complex.
But I don't care if your making music with sticks and trashcans. If it's dope, it's dope. And if you can make your music sound as good with a stick and a trashcan, as Mozart can with an orchestra; then that makes you better than Mozart.
Secondly, I would put the lyrics of "Stan", "The Way I Am", "Me And My Girlfriend" or anything on Illmatic up against any "poet" of any era.
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here is wehre you fuck up:
you assume dre is better cuz he doesn't use a full orchestra.....
neither did mozart.....lol when he was a kid (take yourself back to when you were 8 now) he was creating song structures for an instrument he didn't even own! most of it was all mental....now that right there is GENIUS for a 48 year old to do and beyond the relm of anything for a 8 year old to do! also many other important composers created music without any tools, just their brain. dre and many of these other high end producers have access to millions of dollars and high end equipment that does the tuning, structuring and sound pitch for you. all these other composers lived in a time where they manually had to do all that! also many hip hop producers have access to the world's library of classic beats! meaning if they wanted to make a hot track they just got to remember a hot song they heard on the radio and rip it off! many classical composers then and even now didn't have that ....nor woudl they use that they were the ones creating those scales and forming the templets of "hot beats" many of y'all don't even appreciate this but these people hundreds of years before us created scales that are used today..........that right there infinite makes mozart and J.S. BACH the GOATS of music...period!
in short bethoveen could do what dre is doing easily.....but dre, dj quik, warren g would struggle BAD to do what bethoveen and bach did
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