Would EAZY had of dissed 2-PAC in 96

[eNgIeS]

What's your beef with 'Pac man. I mean, are you mad everyone likes him. It's because he was good, and real as fuck. 'Pac had been dissing Bad Boy before he signed with Tha Row. That was his last resort to get out of jail, a move even he was suspect over. Before he went to jail, before he signed with Tha Row, he said he'd come out worst than when he got in. He snapped. Yeah Suge used 'Pac, about as much as 'Pac used Suge. And 'Pac felt he was set up, would you not try to destroy the people that wanted you killed. Dude, SGV, you are cool, but your beef with 'Pac is beyond me.

What beef? I simply stated what I felt about the situation. There is no beef. I don't know Pac. Never knew Pac, how could I have beef? Just because I'm not slobbering all over his genitals, I have beef? Na homie. If you think Suge was used by Pac, I gotta say you're wrong. Who's dead and who's alive? Who tried to gang bang on someone and got shot for it? Pac. Why? Because Pac thought he was Bishop and had the juice to hit someone up. Suge told him where to go, what to do and who to diss.

Alot of people might hate on you for saying it, but that last part is true

I am a Pac fan. I think what happened to Pac was a shame, but yes he was used by Suge

Tupac beat up people in studio's when Suge had even the smallest beef against em. Example what they did to Sam Sneed with Dre left.

That is the truth. Pac got influenced by Suge & Suge was all in his ear, Pac got MOB tattoo'd on him just before he was shot dead.

He ran up on BGLane like Super Piru for one of Suges homies, but he fucked with the wrong gangsta that day & unfortunately paid the ultimate price

But Pac dick riders will make out like Pac was this angel & god. No he wasnt. He was a great raper, a person with some great thoughts, a great actor, but he was human just like all of us & he made a mistake which was signing with Suge & doing what the devil (Suge) told him to do. & i'm a fan of Pac's but I call a spade a spade, no need to lie or sugar coat things

[Darksider]

i dont know

[nibs]

ACB:
One of the things who makes me think your post is not just a stupid diss to Pac (and i'm a great Pac fan) is that in one of his DVDs, there's Pac's biological father interviewed, and he says clearly that when he got shot in NYC, Biggie went to the Hospital to ask him wassup. He (Pac's father) was there too, and he says that he never thought, not for a second, that Biggie had something to do with the shooting. And he says that neither Pac did. He says it clearly! Pac didnt think Biggie had something to do with the shooting unless he went to jail. There, like Pac said, somebody told him it was a set-up. And there, he started to analyzing the crime-situation again, finding a plot, finding suspects, and finally finding a reason!

you're getting shit twisted.  pac never said "biggie set me up".  what pac said was "biggie was cool with the cat that set me up, and knew shit was going down and didn't warn me"  pac was upset with biggie because biggie stayed out of the beef rather than getting involved and warning him.

and even biggie and puffy said as much.  they have always said "pac knows who shot him...etc".

so if pac didn't realize that biggie knew what was going down until after the hospital visit...what does it matter?  you act like immediately after pac was shot, while he was laying on the fucking ground bleeding,  he is supposed to figured out exactly everything that had gone down.  it's clear that after pac had some time to reflect on shit, and after hearing the word in the streets as to what went down, pac pieced shit together. so if bigg visits pac before pac has a chance to reflect on and appreciate what has gone down, that means nothing.  i could steal your car, roll to your crib, park my shit in your driveway, and walk around to the backyard and eat your food and smile in your face at your barbecue.  and you won't know that i'm the muthafucka that stole your whip until you see me driving off in your shit as a leave.

and again, pac didn't say "big set me up" he clearly stated "bigg didn't warn me, bigg left me to die".  pac's beef with biggie was legitimate.  

and suge was really the pawn here.  suge was pac's [willing] pawn, because he was getting paid off the hype.  it's not like pac hit the streets and immediately started smashing on big in the music.  there was some subliminal shit on "all eyes on me", rumors about "wonda why they call you bitch" but not much beef in the music.  beef in interviews, but not on record.  if suge was using pac as his pawn, you'd think suge would have had pac poppin' shit from day one.  because death row was poppin' shit from day one with the chronic.

but pac didn't start dissin' until he was ready, on his own timetable; after he already had the hottest shit out and 9 million sold.

and suge wasn't really working  on any other death row artist after pac dropped.  everything else was put on hold and the focus was squarely on pac.  on the business tip, since suge controlled the money and all of that, sure.  he took advantage of that situation.  but pac had completely hijacked the company, was taking other artists tracks, had the hottest shit out and was working with every artist he wanted and puttion out projects when he wanted to, and i don't see how people can conclude that pac was the pawn after looking at the facts.  

But Pac dick riders will make out like Pac was this angel & god. No he wasnt. He was a great raper, a person with some great thoughts, a great actor, but he was human just like all of us & he made a mistake which was signing with Suge & doing what the devil (Suge) told him to do.

 suge didn't use pac.  suge didn't control pac.  suge was an enabler.  suge had the label, the money, and the crew that enabled pac to do everything he wanted.  does anyone actually believe that suge forced pac on the set and forced pac to act like "super piru"; or that pac was simply hanging around suge's homeboys and wanted to be down.  pac made bad decisions on his own.   usually you see cats get some success and trying to balance their old ties with the streets.  trying to balance the ties they had with the cats they came up with.  with pac you had an individual that had already been successful, famous, wealthy, and after the success is when he forged new ties with the streets.  he got put on m.o.b. and emerged himself in that banging shit after he already had success.  this was clearly his decision, and looking at his actions it was a decision he clearly embraced.  

just listen to the makaveli album and the bootlegs at how much he is shouting out and reppin' m.o.b..  are you saying suge brainwashed him or something???  wtf are you saying?

 

don't blame suge for pac's actions.  pac was clearly enjoying his life, willing embraced that gang shit and was reppin' m.o.b. to the fullest.  hold pac accountable for his own actions.  don't act like suge is some super thug (which he isn't), don't act like suge completely brainwashed pac because that just doesn't make sense.  cats outside of cali had never heard of m.o.b. until pac started shouting it out on every track.  how is suge to blame when pac really put suge in the position he was in?

[Eazy-E RuthlessG]

^^wast of time

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[Diabolical]

What I WAs Trying To Say From The Start

[Z the laidback Virus]

I'm under the impression Pac got hella manipulated and used by Suge.
I don't know if Suge is poison-tongued,but if he talked the same shit to Pac as he did about Dre and Snoop after they left,Pac was hella naive and easy to manipulate.

[Code Blue]

Suge DID brainwash Pac. Once he signed to Tha Row he was a much different man.

[eNgIeS]

NIBS, you are in denial. Sure Pac was his own man & he paid for his mistakes, but he was manipulated by Suge

Suge is a well known manipulator. You are in denial if you even think he is a nice person. Suge is the type of person that would hold a women down while someone else beats up the girl. Suge is the type of person that would have someone killed for even trying to embarass him. Its well documented & the facts prove Suge is one evil person.

Anyone who thinks different is really in denial & ignorant

[prince]

eAZY AND 2pac might have been cool cause they both had a problem with DR.DRE.......

[LionHeart]

read this thread,

people have way too much time on hands to be debating this topic...

Serious waste of time...

[nibs]

syxx_aka_engies:
NIBS, you are in denial. Sure Pac was his own man & he paid for his mistakes, but he was manipulated by Suge

denial?   lol.  you cats amuse me.  all i'm saying is; hold people accountable for their own actions.  had pac made different decisions his future would have been 100% different.  

if i put a gun on a table, and you pick up the gun and kill 100 people...who's fault is it?  is it my fault for putting the gun on the table?   is it the gun's fault for existing?  why blame me?  why blame the gun?  blame the person that killed the 100 people.

Suge is a well known manipulator.

tupac clearly benefitted from the relationship.  it was clearly a mutually beneficial relationship.  suge is not satan.  before pac, suge and his associates had to sit behind the scenes.  snoop and dre and the dpg weren't having that.  these individuals were always around, but they were in the background.  if you think about the situation with a clear mind, pac brought suge and his associates to the forefront.  pac was the fuse, pac was that spark.  

You are in denial if you even think he is a nice person.

i never said suge was a nice person.  people don't have to sign to death row, people don't have to do business with suge if they don't want to.

Its well documented & the facts prove Suge is one evil person.

i don't have a problem with "evil people" per se.
my issue with suge is that his aggression has been misguided.  take note.  i have issues with suge.  dude has primarily focused his aggressions on the community, whether it's propogating his beefs with snoop or eazy, or just with his general thugging.  however, if that aggression were redirected at more deserving targets, if there were stories of suge going after these judges and prosecutors that have been continually using the judicial system as a weapon against him, if there were stories of record execs turning up missing (iovine or something, clive davis or something), and judges and senators and shit like...i wouldn't have a problem with that at all.  like that bitch tipper gore and c. delores tucker.  fucking joe lieberman.  there are muthafuckaz that have tried to use the legal system to hinder the hip hop music business specifically, and laws that have negatively effected the black community in general.  if suge were using his ties to the streets to get at those people, and touch those people; i'd certainly respect that.

because there's alot of utility in evil people when that evil is focused on a particular goal.  however, for the most part suge has not been useful, he's been a nuisance.