2pac started the decline of the Westcoast

[NobodyButMe]

Basically think of it like... everyone has their group of buddies. Lets say your group of buddies worked their ass of to get all the hot girls in your city. Now imagine some dude from like another city moving in next door. You get kinda cool with him and then bam... it seems like every girl in your circle wants to bang him, but theres like 10 of you who've been here from day one. The new guy gets the show while the rest just sit back and watch it unfold. In the end, the new guy gets shot by some homies across the city and then all the girls are sad because their man died. They forget your there still with your 10 buddies. Then you guys gotta try and do it all over again.

i'm not trying to say pac is a bad artist, but in all honesty, HE DOESN'T REP THE WEST... HE WAS SIGNED TO A WESTCOAST LABEL THAT DID REP THE WEST.  He came from NY, HE DID DISS BIGGIE... HE GOT ALL THE ATTENTION AND THEN HE DIED... THE END... no one cared about nate dogg on a golf course or anything but what PAC DID... basically all these dudes worked hard for what they got, DIDN'T GET THE ATTENTION... and when Pac goes down... NO ONE REMEMBER WHO STARTED IT ALL...

-BpG

understandable...but (i don't know if you are...) you can't blame pac for it, you gotta blame 'the girls' for it. and 'blame' may not even be the word for it...i'd say 'nothing ever stays the same'.

plus, man, people can't make hits forever. if pac didn't come out, then somebody would have. it's like lebron. all the guys in the league been puttin all that hard work in and then all of a sudden lebron comes in and bam - gets a 90 million dollar shoe contract without a single second on the court. yeah people are pissed, but more people are happy. plus, it adds to the evolution of the game. no one wants to be sittin around, 90 years old, still listenin to dre and snoop and the dpg still comin with "eat a dicc bitch" and blah blah blah.

all good things must come to an end and it's not one single event that changed it.

[NobodyButMe]

Yeah man ya right I feel ya.
I luv Pac's music but he did a lot of wrong shit.
 

i fail to see it that way - how was it wrong? he was talkin about the west, and what's wrong with talkin about what you like?

i just see it as the natural progression of things. yeah, pac did do a lot of wrong shit, but this was inevitable. the west needed to step up and pac is what happened. his shit with BIG, that was wrong, and the controversy was wrong, but damn, dude was a human being. if he didn't do it, somebody else would have...

[Code Blue]

I read the title and it sparked my interest, then I saw dude's avatar and sig and changed my mind.

[Big BpG]

You didn't notice my name?

[Code Blue]

Haha. When I saw it was Big BPG or somthing like that.

[dexter]

2pac was B rate.

[Kaidy]

i'm not trying to say pac is a bad artist, but in all honesty, HE DOESN'T REP THE WEST

See, now your whole argument has gone down the toilet. I take it you never saw the All Eyez On Me album cover, or the California Love video (Dr. Dre was in that too, so you might have heard it once or twice), or perhaps To Live & Die In LA?

And the reason you and your ten buddies didn't get the girls is because your game was stale and you were no longer relevant or interesting. The new guy was obviously spitting something better and more important.

[DonCorleone187]

Westside is not part of the map i'm not no dumb ass mutha fucker i don't bang for the color or the land i bang for the principle and for the honor this is in my heart this is how i feel- 2pac

[West Coast Veteran]

Pac never repped the West until he joined Death Row? Uhhh... he's been reppin' Oakland and the Bay since his first album. You need to check your history. Before he signed to Death Row he was on almost every major Bay Area rappers album as a guest from Spice 1 to Too $hort to E-40 to Young Lay. When his professional rap career started he repped nothing but the West Coast, no one knew about him being from New York until Me Against The World dropped.

Pac was never down with anyone but Suge Knight and Digital Underground? Richie Rich, E-40, Spice 1, and almost every other Bay Area rapper. He was cool with all of them and even bought a house in Atlanta (before Death Row) because Too $hort was living there.

LOL @ Pac being blamed for starting rap rivalries when Dre and Snoop began their Death Row careers by dissing Eazy E. But I guess it's all about the music when Dre and Snoop do it.

[Code Blue]

Yeah, and Pac banged for California.

[Big BpG]

The argument is not about whether he repped the West or Not... if you wanna be literal about it, he did rep the west... its like me, a man from the midwest, going to new york, hooking up with jay-z and reppin the eastcoast... ALL YOU PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THAT I'M ONLY DOING IT FOR THE MONEY...artists do it all the time, step on some mixtape, and rep where they are at the moment... but in all literal sense, he's not a westcoast rapper... I MEAN THAT IN THE SENSE THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE THE WESTCOAST ATTITUDE IN HIS BLOOD... the westcoast is a state of mind, its a know how on your style of music. 2pac had Dre produce his records, he lived for now and not for later. It doesn't matter whether your actually saying "westcoast" in your song, that's just words, its creating a style, which Dre, Snoop, and the whole dpg crew did... they GAVE PAC that style... just like camr'on with Rocafella... he now has their style...THERE IS NOT QUESTIONING THAT... Pac was all controversial, making a scene... getting the media all in his business, then he dies with the music """HE CREATED""" and the rest is history...

all im saying is, his arrival to tha row wasn't a good thing...

-BpG

[West Coast Veteran]

The argument is not about whether he repped the West or Not... if you wanna be literal about it, he did rep the west... its like me, a man from the midwest, going to new york, hooking up with jay-z and reppin the eastcoast... ALL YOU PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THAT I'M ONLY DOING IT FOR THE MONEY...artists do it all the time, step on some mixtape, and rep where they are at the moment... but in all literal sense, he's not a westcoast rapper... I MEAN THAT IN THE SENSE THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE THE WESTCOAST ATTITUDE IN HIS BLOOD... the westcoast is a state of mind, its a know how on your style of music. 2pac had Dre produce his records, he lived for now and not for later. It doesn't matter whether your actually saying "westcoast" in your song, that's just words, its creating a style, which Dre, Snoop, and the whole dpg crew did... they GAVE PAC that style... just like camr'on with Rocafella... he now has their style...THERE IS NOT QUESTIONING THAT... Pac was all controversial, making a scene... getting the media all in his business, then he dies with the music """HE CREATED""" and the rest is history...

all im saying is, his arrival to tha row wasn't a good thing...

-BpG

As I stated earlier 2Pac was West Coast before he met up with anyone from Death Row, before the West Coast blew up with The Chronic so he wasn't doing it for the money and he had the same style that he had before he signed to Death Row other than 2 Dre produced tracks and 6 Daz tracks on All Eyez On Me, the bulk of the album was done by Johnny J the producer he worked with before Death Row and Makaveli had no tracks by any of the original Death Row producers so what style is this Snoop and Dre gave to him? I would say he got his style from Ice Cube.

[Big BpG]

the real question is... where would the west be if 2pac didn't join deathrow... I really don't care about whether he's westcoast or not, thats an opinionated argument that really has no merit.

[West Coast Veteran]

the real question is... where would the west be if 2pac didn't join deathrow... I really don't care about whether he's westcoast or not, thats an opinionated argument that really has no merit.

The same as it is now since Suge was stealing money from his artists which made most of them leave the company and the fucked up shit going on in the studio (beatings, rapings, etc.) which was the reason Dre left and that had nothing to do with Pac so Death Row would have fallen off anyway. Also when Dre left the quality of music coming from the original Death Row inmates was lackluster compared to their previous classic material which is another reason sales slumped and interest decreased. I don't think Pac made people forget about the other inmates because Tha Doggfather was one of the most anticipated albums of the time but it was a big disappointment so people lost interest in Snoop and his follow up to that was even worse.

Just like you said earlier Dre made the last classic with 2001 but no one could carry the flame after that with an album of equal quality. The West Coast just isn't making the music they once had not because one rapper has the spotlight and people forget about everyone else.

[Sikotic™]

Look at the timeline and you can't argue with that. Interesting view to the man that brought this up. I never thought about it that way.