Suge did it all.......

[eNgIeS]

But then I name myself after a guy who helped establish one of the greatest record labels of all time, a guy who does much needed charity work for the streets, a guy who gave jobs to known criminals and got them away from that life on the street.

I wish the hating on Suge ended, I mean if all his artists didnt get paid they seemed to be doin pretty well for themselves, Snoop, Dre, Daz, Kurupt

Yeah the guy maybe a bully, but then look at the pros the guy gives back, its a shame people on focus on negatives of one guy.

Dude, the guy gave jobs to criminals from his blood gang so they would stick around & be his muscle

I have to give Suge props for his charity, that is good, but its like what the mafia used to do, you know, paint a pretty pic of themselves, but what does he do behind the scenes. He has beat down everyone smaller than him (from rappers to female employees, hellloo, he hits females, thats a bitch for you), he ripped money off many people, extorted people. Man i could go on & on

The thing is there isnt much positives about Suge to talk about

I'm not biased at all, i always be objective. Suge may have some good quality's, shame his bad quality's are far greater than the good quality's

Do you want me to make a list of all the shit Suges done, really theres so many things out there that he has done & it shows u what a cruel bastard he is.

Dr. Dre, Snoop, Sam Sneed, DPG, Quik, Pac, Rage, RBX, etc etc were the ones that made Death Row good, Suge yes he made some good business moves, but he also made some very stupid ones

Beating Down & threatening to rape Music Executives is not good business. Creating a negative work place in the studio is not good business (ask Dre why he left). Giving artists new cars instead of there owed money from the publishing is not good business.

Ohh man i aint even got to continue. Go watch Welcome To Death Row, read LABrynth or have gun will travel

After that, you will know why Suge is not a person to admire

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syxx_aka_engies:
Dude, the guy gave jobs to criminals from his blood gang so they would stick around & be his muscle

pussy talk.  "those guys were criminals."  so what.  if muthaphukkaz want to make shit happen, they need a team of down ass muthaphukkaz willing to do whatever.  even the fucking president of the united states employs a team of killers (aka the army, air force, marines & navy) when he wants to do some dirt.  why should suge be any different?

He has beat down everyone smaller than him (from rappers to female employees, hellloo, he hits females, thats a bitch for you)

every story i've heard (including that shit jewell told on that dvd) has him getting his homegirls to beat up on these bitches.  stop twisting shit.

he ripped money off many people, extorted people. Man i could go on & on

there's nothing wrong with that.  capitalism is a system based on exploitation.

i have issues with suge slapping around and bitching out his artists (like warren g) and all this silly beefin' he does with cats like snoop and shit.  snoop, dpg, quik; these muthaphukkaz are supposed to be on his team.  those are his allies.  everytime he fucked one of them over, he fucked himself.  so i disagree with him there.

but i don't have any problems with him slapping around some of these bitch ass record execs, i have no problems with him extorting vanilla ice or whatever.  not everyone deserves to be treated with respect.  suge's problem is that he didn't recognize the people he should have been taking care of.  with those relationships that suge had with his artists, it doesn't matter if these cats are real or fake.  they're putting money in his pockets, they made him who he is, take care of them.

if i have any problems with suge's thugging, it's that he went after the cats he should have been looking out for,  and he hasn't done enough against these muthaphukkaz with power constantly fucking with him.  has jimmy iovine or mtv execs ever been slapped around, kidnapped, or any of that?   they should.  what about these prosecutors and judges that keep sending his ass to jail over bullshit charges?  has suge reached out and touched any of them??? he should.  c. delores tucker?  tipper gore?  joe lieberman?  all those cats that were hating on tha row, dpg and pac in the early to mid 90's?  

that thug shit doesn't impress me if dude can't stand up to the muthaphukkaz with power and touch them.

but all this talk about "violence against rival music execs and mtv execs..etc" is bullshit.  pussy talk.  violence has proven itself to be a useful and effective tool time and time again.  but i'm tired and disgusted with black on black violence, and gang violence within the community.  what  i want to see is a little more targetted violence against politicians, against the police, against these judges, against these ceo's and other execs that exploit the culture, exploit the community and don't really give back.   take that destructive energy, refocus it, and do something useful with it.  

it's not too late for suge.  maybe he can turn shit around and do what needs to be done.  so i'm still rooting for him.

[eNgIeS]

Dude, I didnt twist it. Its from the Ronin Ro book, most of the shit he said in there is verified. On Welcome To Death Row, it was a female photographer. From what she said, she was held down on the table by Suge & a female beat her up

Thats one incident, even so, holding down a female to be beat up, its sickning theres not 1 excuse for that at all

What about the 100's of other Suge stories that havent been told?

Nate told a story how a new rapper went to audition & he said all but 3-4 words & they jumped him & lit his ass up. Now how can you excuse that. That was unprovoked.

Theres plenty of stories, yes sure, some of what he did was fair (protecting artists rights like Mary J Blige & Jodeci), but he is a hypocrite. He said he got Dre DOC & Michelle out of Ruthless coz of they fucked up money & contract. & what did Suge do, he ripped them (& other artists) off. While Daz Kurupt Rage were starving, yet Dogg Food on top of charts sold double platinum, yet they still was broke & starving, whats the deal with that. Suge ripped em off

The bottom line most of Suge's behavior & crimes are unexcusable & are cold hearted

Anyway this is about 1 thing, were Suge, David Mack & Harry Billups involved in the Biggie murder. Biggies bodyguard who was there when Biggie got shot id'd Harry Billups as the man who approached them. Lil Cease & another witness's composite drawings very closely resemble Harry Billups. Theres so many leads & evidence that was not followed up because Cheif Parks wanted it to go away, because he didnt want a corruption of that level coming out & he did his best to make sure that the entire truth didnt come out, they were so quick to settle plea bargains with Rafeal Perez during the Rampart scandle

Its really amazing how much evidence & leads are there regarding Biggies murder & corrupt cops working as muscle for Death Row, read LAbrynth.

My personal opinion is Pac wasnt killed by Suge, that was south side for sure.

However the Biggie murder theres plenty linking Suge so i believe he was involved, i'm 99.9% sure Mack & Billups were involved, hope they tie Suge to it & lock him up & throw away the key

[o g s u e s o n e]

without the real death row camp suge´s nuthin but a fat man sittin in a chair on wilshire tryin to act hard in a gang of useless interviews changin the name of the company again and again. then goin to jail get out and goin to jail again..lol. hes a nobrainer, hes just a lucky mug. fuck him. i had respect for dat man but by now i just can laugh about this clown.

[Native_Joe99]

1987  
Suge Knight pleads giulty to battery with a deadly weapon in Las Vegas, sentence pending.

1988
Suge Knight arrested for Assault at Los Angeles International Airport.

1990
Suge Knight pleads guilty to battery in Beverly Hills, sentence suspended.

Suge Knight pleads guilty to battery  in Hollywood, sentence suspended.

Suge Knight arrested for assault with a deadly weapon in Las Vegas.

Suge Knight pleads guilty to disturbing the peace in Van Nuys, sentence suspended.

1991
Suge Knight convicted of giving a false name when arrested in possession of a deadly weapon in Beverly Hills, sentece suspended.

Suge Knight persuades Vanilla Ice to sign over song rights to Mario "Chocolate" Johnson

1992
Suge Knight charges with assault with a deadly weapon in Beverly Hills, eventually pleads guilty to misdemeanor battery, sentence suspended.

Suge Knight convicted of assault with a deadly weapon in Las Vegas, sentence suspended

Suge Knight convicted of carrying a concealed weapon in West Covina, sentence suspended

Suge Knight convicted of disturbing the peace in Van Nuys, sentence suspended

Suge Knight arrested for armed assault of George and Lynwood Stanley at Solar Records studios in North Hollywood

1993
Suge Knight, Dr. Dre, and the D.O.C. arrested after brawling outside Black Radio Exclusive convention in New Orleans; fifteen-year-old fan stabbed during melee

1994
U.S. Justice Department commences racketeering investigation against Suge Knight and Death Row Records.

1995
Suge Knight pleads guilty to felony assault with a deadly weapon against George and Lynwood Stanley, given nine-year suspended sentence.

Kelly Jamerson beaten to death at Death Row Records party in Los Angels's El Rey Theater.

1996
Kevin Gaines places 911 call reporting self as victim of shooting at Sharitha Knight's house, assaults officers who respond.

Tupac fired David Kenner as his attorney

Tupac Shakur shot in Las Vegas, dies in hospital.

Police informant reprts that Suge Knight has just delivered a load of Ak-47 assault rifles to Bloods gang members in Nickerson Gardens housing project.

Gang War breaks out in Los Angeles county between bloods and crips.

Suge Knight jailed for failing drug test.

Yafu Fula, one of the only witnesses, shot to death in New Jersey

Steve Cantrock, a Death Row Records accountant, has become a federal witness and is supplying the U.S. Justice Department with financial evidence against Suge Knight.

after this Suge gets transferred a couple more times and he recently went back to jail.

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syxx_aka_engies:
Dude, I didnt twist it. Its from the Ronin Ro book, most of the shit he said in there is verified. On Welcome To Death Row, it was a female photographer. From what she said, she was held down on the table by Suge & a female beat her up

why was she beaten up?  what did she do?  getting an ass whipping is nothing.

Thats one incident, even so, holding down a female to be beat up, its sickning theres not 1 excuse for that at all

i don't know the story.  i doubt they did it for fun.  she probably violated in some way and thought they'd let that shit slide because she was a woman.

Nate told a story how a new rapper went to audition & he said all but 3-4 words & they jumped him & lit his ass up. Now how can you excuse that. That was unprovoked.

nate has always come off as scary.  i've got problems with suge beating up his own artists, i've already stated that.  but otherwise, shit happens.  whipping somebody's ass for nothing is trifling, sure.  but suge's dumb ass got sued for it a couple times anyway, and a couple muthaphukkaz cashed out on it.  what you call a senseless beating, others would call an early christmas.

Suge ripped em off

i've already criticized suge for not taking care of his people.  several times.  but every label rips off their artists.  95% of these artists claim they get ripped off.  eastsidaz talking about snoop didn't pay them right.  ren and dre and cube talking about eazy didn't pay them.  ras kass talking about priority not paying him (or his producers).  there's a finite amount of money, and whatever the labels don't give the artists they keep for themselves.  so you always hear about artists getting cheated or having bullshit deals or whatever.

suge is not unique in this regard and i've already critized him for it.

The bottom line most of Suge's behavior & crimes are unexcusable & are cold hearted

the world is a cold place.  

Anyway this is about 1 thing, were Suge, David Mack & Harry Billups involved in the Biggie murder.

i believe 100% that suge knight was behind b. smalls murder.  i've always believed it.  hopefully the fbi won't be able to pin a damned thing on him.  people want to take the streets for a joke.  people want to get involved in some gangsta shit and then act like victims when they have to pay the consequences.  b. smalls made some bad decisions and paid for them with his life.  shit is that simply.  ditto pac for that matter.  and people say that there are cats gunning for suge, so we'll see how that shit turns out.
 
again, i critize suge because his thugging was often targetted at the wrong people.  but violence is a powerful tool when used effectively, and suge still has potential.

OGSUESONE:
without the real death row camp suge´s nuthin but a fat man sittin in a chair on wilshire tryin to act hard in a gang of useless interviews changin the name of the company again and again.

other than maybe kurupt \w the dpg on "streetz is a mutha", noone that has left  death row has put out a classic album with heat all the way through.  not snoop, not dre, not daz.  at best, these cats may have like 4 or 5 great songs, a couple ok songs and an assload of filler.  suge should atleast get credit for putting assloads of talent together and refusing to release garbage shit (atleast back in the early days).  none of these cats have been able to recreate that formula.

[eNgIeS]

You said Suge wouldnt have just done it for fun. I actually wouldnt put it past him at all. Sorry but "he rewound the tape to far back" is not an excuse for Suge & his bloods to gang bash an engineer