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It's Official - Roy Jones Jr. is a Has-Been

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M Dogg™:
Jones Jr. finally lost at the age of 35, Ali was older when he lost his last 4 fights, and for 3 of them there was reports he barely past the cat scan that checked his brain. Hate, just hate. Have you seen all of Ali's fights, seen him take Terrall, who was a great boxer, and just beat the shit outta him, and play with him. Think about it, he played with Floyd Patterson, one of the greatest boxers ever, he toyed with him like he was a bitch. Ali was too smart, too fast to be beat. Foreman was the strongest fighter ever, he was more powerful than Tyson, Frazier, and Rock. But Ali took his punches, and outsmarted him. Ali out smarted every fighter he fought. The only one that I think could beat Ali in their primes is Joe Louis. Rock would lose by points, Ali was too fast, Lewis would be hella interesting because he is so big, Ali beat George, and I am willing to beat he'd beat him again. Now Big George from 1995, that is a different story, because that George was a lot bigger, and he was just as strong, just not as quick so it would be interesting.

And I'm tired of hearing C level fights for Jones. You go out there at 201 pounds, and beat the WCA Heavyweight champion Johnny Ruiz who weighed 230, that's 30 points difference, and then he beat Hopkins and James Toney. Who else was there for him to beat, beat Hopkins again, beat Toney again. Why, ya' all need to get out of here. Joe Louis dominated a weak heavyweight division, and your ready to have him beat Ali, who dominated in the deepest heavyweight era ever. You don't judge people by truth, you judge by who you think should be on top. Shit, Jones is 35, fighters don't last that long unless they are ready to studder the rest of their lives. Look at every boxer that boxed past 35, they can't talk, they can barely walk. Look at Ali, Ken Norton, all them fighters that fought too long are fucked up. Jones is too old to be fucking around with these young boxers. His not as fast. Now take middleweight, primed Roy Jones, and you tell me who can beat him. His up there with Sugar Ray, both of them. Just like Hopkins, the middleweight division was a 2 man show, and Jones won the fight between them, and moved on to bigger pay days because there was no one else to beat in middleweight. And you hate for that. Would did you want, him to move to heavyweight earlier in life and beat Lennox Lewis? He did everything in his career to prove he is great, and you down play it. You guys judge with a double standard, because if you talk about level of challengers, Ali is by far the greatest boxer, Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest middleweight, Hopkins, Rock, Jones, Lewis and Louis all are top 10, but not number one, and Julio Ceaser Chavez is by far the greatest fighter of our life time. Oh wait, that's how normal people look at boxing, but you guys twist your logic to put certain fighters up and down play the ones that are truely great. I don't know if ya' all are just tired of saying certain people are great, or if you are trying to bring up different fighters to make yourself look like a bigger boxing expert, but on the reals, it's like that. Ali, Robinson, and Chavez is the greatest fighter in at least my lifetime. Today, the greatest fighter is Hopkins, beating Tito and Oscar, the two greatest latin fighters of our time, knocking out both. What's so hard about that, watch some boxing, hell I might have been the only one that knew Sugar Shane would beat Oscar, that Varges didn't have a prayer, that Oscar could beat Tito, that Roy could beat a heavyweight and should stick to being a heavyweight, that Hopkins would distroy Tito, all of this before it happens. I come from a family that follows boxing, my grandpa boxed, I know boxing, I study it, styles, speed, everything. And what the experts say, they say for a reason. Because it's true. Roy was great, don't down play a career because you hate on him and wanted this to happen. That's like judging Michael Jordan in a Wizard uniform, or like judging Jerry Rice in a Raider uniform, or judging Magic by his 1995 comeback, that's judging Roy Jones after his heavyweight win, because he lost some much weight, and his too old to be doing that, that it was bound to happen. That's like Ali, holding on to his career too long, couldn't even pass a cat scan, and they still let him box when he needed to retire for good. He originally retired with 3 lose to Fraizer, Norton and Spinks and then beat all 3 of them, then lost 2 more times in his comeback that should have never happened. but hate does as hate does.

Sikotic™:
Oscar definitely got a few more fights in him. He held his own against Hopkins so if they wanted a rematch then it's possible, but HIGHLY unlikely. He still needs to redeem himself against Mosley.

But I think Oscar's last huge money fight should be the rematch against Trinidad. I remember how pissed off people were when De La Hoya lost his first fight to Tito and people are still pissed because it is felt that Oscar had the fight. Putting those 2 together one more time would be a great fight.

Shallow:

--- Quote from: Lost Angel on September 26, 2004, 10:55:14 AM ---Jones Jr. finally lost at the age of 35, Ali was older when he lost his last 4 fights, and for 3 of them there was reports he barely past the cat scan that checked his brain. Hate, just hate. Have you seen all of Ali's fights, seen him take Terrall, who was a great boxer, and just beat the shit outta him, and play with him. Think about it, he played with Floyd Patterson, one of the greatest boxers ever, he toyed with him like he was a bitch. Ali was too smart, too fast to be beat. Foreman was the strongest fighter ever, he was more powerful than Tyson, Frazier, and Rock. But Ali took his punches, and outsmarted him. Ali out smarted every fighter he fought. The only one that I think could beat Ali in their primes is Joe Louis. Rock would lose by points, Ali was too fast, Lewis would be hella interesting because he is so big, Ali beat George, and I am willing to beat he'd beat him again. Now Big George from 1995, that is a different story, because that George was a lot bigger, and he was just as strong, just not as quick so it would be interesting.

And I'm tired of hearing C level fights for Jones. You go out there at 201 pounds, and beat the WCA Heavyweight champion Johnny Ruiz who weighed 230, that's 30 points difference, and then he beat Hopkins and James Toney. Who else was there for him to beat, beat Hopkins again, beat Toney again. Why, ya' all need to get out of here. Joe Louis dominated a weak heavyweight division, and your ready to have him beat Ali, who dominated in the deepest heavyweight era ever. You don't judge people by truth, you judge by who you think should be on top. Shit, Jones is 35, fighters don't last that long unless they are ready to studder the rest of their lives. Look at every boxer that boxed past 35, they can't talk, they can barely walk. Look at Ali, Ken Norton, all them fighters that fought too long are fucked up. Jones is too old to be fucking around with these young boxers. His not as fast. Now take middleweight, primed Roy Jones, and you tell me who can beat him. His up there with Sugar Ray, both of them. Just like Hopkins, the middleweight division was a 2 man show, and Jones won the fight between them, and moved on to bigger pay days because there was no one else to beat in middleweight. And you hate for that. Would did you want, him to move to heavyweight earlier in life and beat Lennox Lewis? He did everything in his career to prove he is great, and you down play it. You guys judge with a double standard, because if you talk about level of challengers, Ali is by far the greatest boxer, Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest middleweight, Hopkins, Rock, Jones, Lewis and Louis all are top 10, but not number one, and Julio Ceaser Chavez is by far the greatest fighter of our life time. Oh wait, that's how normal people look at boxing, but you guys twist your logic to put certain fighters up and down play the ones that are truely great. I don't know if ya' all are just tired of saying certain people are great, or if you are trying to bring up different fighters to make yourself look like a bigger boxing expert, but on the reals, it's like that. Ali, Robinson, and Chavez is the greatest fighter in at least my lifetime. Today, the greatest fighter is Hopkins, beating Tito and Oscar, the two greatest latin fighters of our time, knocking out both. What's so hard about that, watch some boxing, hell I might have been the only one that knew Sugar Shane would beat Oscar, that Varges didn't have a prayer, that Oscar could beat Tito, that Roy could beat a heavyweight and should stick to being a heavyweight, that Hopkins would distroy Tito, all of this before it happens. I come from a family that follows boxing, my grandpa boxed, I know boxing, I study it, styles, speed, everything. And what the experts say, they say for a reason. Because it's true. Roy was great, don't down play a career because you hate on him and wanted this to happen. That's like judging Michael Jordan in a Wizard uniform, or like judging Jerry Rice in a Raider uniform, or judging Magic by his 1995 comeback, that's judging Roy Jones after his heavyweight win, because he lost some much weight, and his too old to be doing that, that it was bound to happen. That's like Ali, holding on to his career too long, couldn't even pass a cat scan, and they still let him box when he needed to retire for good. He originally retired with 3 lose to Fraizer, Norton and Spinks and then beat all 3 of them, then lost 2 more times in his comeback that should have never happened. but hate does as hate does.

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Hey pal, why don't you go read some books about the history of crooked boxing, and read about how many promoters, trainers, and cornerman came out and admitted to helping fix fights. Boxing is a business and when you're dealing with big money the you're going to see bullshit, so there can be more money. Just because there has never been an open admission of crookedness for the major fights, doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Ali was protected by the powers that be. I watch his fights and I wonder why he never got point deduction for all those blatant head locks and grabs followed by punches. Then with Frazier, they cancel the fight because they say Frazier couldn't see, but Ali couldn't walk. If they even started the last round Frazier would have cause Ali would have hit the floor once the bell rang. As for Foreman there is no logical explanation why there should not have been a rematch. It took Ali 14 rounds and a ref stoppage to beat Frazier, when it took Foreman 5 rounds to KO him later that year. Stop hiding behind that Ali propaganda and just face it. The people with the money call the shots. Why do you think Teofilo Stephenson refused to fight Ali in the mid 70s? He had just won his second Olympic gold and he was reknowned as one of hte best in the world. I'll tell you why he refused, because I think that the promoters wanted to bring this world boxing threat from Cuba in to lose to Ali, and he wouldn't take the dive. They weren't sure if Ali could beat him legit so they dfidn't go through with it. If Ali lost to a Cuban then shame would have entered the minds of Americans, and we can't have that.

DAYUM:
JOnes- aint shit never will be shit

Ali- hes the greatest cuzz he was like jones he talked alot of shit but he could back it up

forman- one of the greatest in my opinion

BIG.DADDY:
Yall can say what you want about George Forman being the greatest, but all he will be remembered for is getting knocked out by M. Ali in Africa.

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