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It's Official - Roy Jones Jr. is a Has-Been

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white Boy:
i never liked him... and always thought he was underated

Shallow:

--- Quote from: Lost Angel on September 25, 2004, 10:18:59 PM ---

Now on Ali. I always put Joe Louis right behind Ali. Big George I think was the most powerful man in boxing history, any division, pound for pound, whatever you want to judge. Louis though was just flat out great. But he was like Jones Jr. and Hopkins, he dominated in a time when he was the division. After he beat the German, there was no one to beat, he just dominated. Power, George, fighter, Louis, but speed and brains, there is only Ali. He was so fast, and he had a different style for every fighter once he got older and slower. When he was young, he was just so fast that no one could hit him. Against any other heavyweight, he would beat them. Tyson was the most physically gifted boxer ever, but Ali was just the greatest, he was too smart. There was no fixed fights, in fact Don King and everyone else had their money on Ali. After the lost George Foreman went into depression, and was eventually saved by God. But he dissappeared for a while after that, and lost the fight right after the Rumble. I doubt it was a fix. Ali was just too smart. Rocky, he was good too, but he could never match Ali's speed. He was tougher than nails, and he could take a punch, but Ali would beat him by points. But there's haters that will always say someone is better, so, whatever.

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Ali may have beaten Rock on points, but there is no garauntee it would go that long. If it were a 24 rounder than no way will Ali last that long.

As for Foreman; there was no rematch because there is no way Foreman would have lost again. What ever the reason may be. Foreman was fighting during Ali's reign. He had a great fight with Ron Lyle, which Foreman won by KO, and then Foreman fought Frazier again and KO'ed him in 5 rounds. Foreman was there from '74-'77 but there was no rematch. Like I said, boxing is a business and money comes first. Fights get fixed and that's the way it is. Look at Leonard/Duran II, anybody who thinks that wasn't fixed is a complete idiot. I'm not sure what went down at Foreman/Ali, but all I know was that was not the same George Foreman I saw against Frazier and Norton, and it had nothing to do with rope a dope. He was different in the first two rounds, way before he could have gotten tired. George Foreman hiself could tell me it was legeit and I'll think he's lying. Unles maybe that African curse the tribesman put on him was real. Of course I find it amusing that Ali was the huge underdog in the gambling Vegas but foir some reason a handfull of "visionary" boxing fans felt that Ali would win and bet hundreds of thousands on him, while everyone else bet on Foreman.

If Ali is the greastest boxer of all time, then Elvis Presley invented Rock n Roll. Don't let the media hype dupe you.

KING VerbalAssaulta:
i had an issue of SI and they listed atheletes that where overated and underrated....and one of the overrated was ali...if you ask me he is the most overrated athlete ever...the man lost like 5 times...how are you the greatest ever if you lost that much...lenox lewis was a greater fighter

and jones obviously wasnt what he was cracked up to be...and he was always fightintg c fighters dodging alot of really good fighters

eS El Duque:
Jones might be done...just like Oscer, its the end of the greats...new era is coming.

Shallow:

--- Quote from: eS El Duque on September 26, 2004, 10:20:48 AM ---Jones might be done...just like Oscer, its the end of the greats...new era is coming.

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Oscar isn't done. No one expected him to beat Hopkins. There are still a few more big money fights left for De La Hoya. Jones is out of possibilities.

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