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Quote from: Shallow on October 11, 2004, 07:37:03 PMOkay, I don't particularly care for the song, but Rap in general is not about letting the music speak for itself. The man making the music was always more important than the music itself. Whether it be thugs proving how gangster they are, or "real MCs" who talk about how "real" they are, and how fake everyone in the mainstream is. You name me one rap artist that's puts his music before who he is as a person. Rap has been built upon selling who you are, or who you want to be, and putting the music second.yeah, that's a point, but rap being used as a platform for self-portrayal is not necessarily something negative. Musically, it is often quite simple, but IMO it's the MC's who make those minimalistic compositions dope. I see "NY State Of Mind" and "Shook Ones Pt. II" as two of the greatest examples of how to make a (almost) perfect song, but that is to a considerable extent because of Nas/Prodigy/Havoc on the mic. If you had to listen to those beats for 5 minutes you probably wouldn't think it's that great and be annoyed by how goddamn repetitive it is
Okay, I don't particularly care for the song, but Rap in general is not about letting the music speak for itself. The man making the music was always more important than the music itself. Whether it be thugs proving how gangster they are, or "real MCs" who talk about how "real" they are, and how fake everyone in the mainstream is. You name me one rap artist that's puts his music before who he is as a person. Rap has been built upon selling who you are, or who you want to be, and putting the music second.
The Source lost integrity YEARS ago. People called them out in like 98. But, fell on deaf ears, until they dissed the golden boy. This coming from someone who is KNOWN for dissing Eminem, I haven't toook The Source serious for years. Anyone who takes ANY of these mag's serious is an idiot. XXL is JUST as bad as The Source, but they're more low key about it. They diss artists ALL the time. Hell, if dedicating a majority of one of their magazines to DISSING Eminem isn't losing integrity, then I don't know what is. LOL.
fuck michael, he's sick bastard,
^^ lol yeah, that is embedded in the culture of hiphop, because hiphop has always been always competitive since back in its earliest days, who got the loudest sound system, who got the dopest linebombings etc. and of course battles have always been important. You can like or dislike that, but that's why alot of hiphop is the artists biggin up themselves. But then it could often be covered just like love songs; if you recite one of Big L's raps and replace specific references it's actually similar to reciting a love song; you recite something that the original writer had told from his perspective, but it's universal enough to be put in anybody's mouth; instead of universal love stuff it's universal bragging stuff.But I get your point, i wish there was some more variety to the lyrics of many hiphop artists too. That don't even mean it has to be non-personal stuff tho, i'd be glad about some more self-reflective stuff instead of MC's biggin themselves up. Fact remains that hiphop being a way of competing had a quite positive effect too, as it got youths away from doin bs on the streets and that it is therefore logical this sense of competition is still there today and something that hiphop lives off.
Quote from: eS El Duque on October 11, 2004, 04:58:41 PMman, you're always looking for an arguement even when you're wrong.How am I wrong? Get that dick out your mouth fag. Eminem FINALLY got called on the shit he does. People ARE allowed to be offended at different shit than you. I don't give a fuck. I think Eminem's antics lost their flare about 5 years ago. He should've known that someone was gonna get upset at this. But, in the end, it don't matter. Teeny boppers like yourself and the rest of the TRL viewers are gonna eat this up. I applaud BET for taking a stand on this guy. The media loves him, which I proved with MTV's celebration of his Birthday. Where's the celebration for Dre's birthday? Jay's birthday? Biggie's? Pac's? Snoop's? The dickriding was getting out of hand, BET just balanced it. I sense all Shady/Aftermath fans are gonna start hating BET, much like the Source.
man, you're always looking for an arguement even when you're wrong.