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us marine kills wounded, unarmed man in a mosque in al-falluja
Jome:
--- Quote from: Ant on November 16, 2004, 06:19:44 AM ---Its interesting how these things only happen when the camera is rolling. Nope, nothing bad ever happens when the camera is off. Obviously if we are torturing and executing people in front of the camera, we are doing much worse when no camera is around.
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Of course.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Ant on November 16, 2004, 09:54:11 AM ---lol are you really that impressed that we are winning a war against a tiny militia? no one expected us to lose in Iraq, but no one expected us to do as badly as we are doing.
Did you forget, your leader declared the war over more than a year ago now? lol how do you seriously sit around and justify all this nonsense to youself? It makes no sense. The war was declared over a year ago, and more people are still continuing to die. We didn't route 2000 insurgents in fallujah. The insurgents all left, thats why new fighting is breaking out all over iraq this week.
I don't doubt that we will win the war in Iraq? But who the hell is the war even against? It was supposed to be against saddam. He is gone now. Then we were there to liberate iraq. Now we are there to beat iraq?
This isn't baseball asshole. When the score is 35-1000 that isn't points. That is dead bodies. Do you realize this? Because you talk about war like its a game.
So when the mission is accomplished and we finally beat Iraq then what? How do we deal with the rest of the terrorist threat? Al-Queda exists in 60 countries, and they are just ONE terrorist group, there are plenty more. Granted Al-Queda is the biggest, but we are having a tough time with a shitty little insurgency in Iraq. I'm looking forward to the day you go over there. Then you will realize how childish you've been all this time, when u see bullets flying by you and then they hit you and you realize, its not Halo. You don't go run, and grab the health pack, and rejoin the battle. You sit there and die or wake up in a hosipital in pain for weeks.
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1. tiny militia? 2000 dead, 1000 captured in fallujah and you consider this tiny? this happens to be the only people we happened to kill and capture...there could be numbers more. it's harder to fight a war against people that look like civilians than it is against a country's army that all have the same uniform... a person in iraq can ride his bike, drop off a IED, kill 8 people and then be off to work....i don't expect you to comprehend this because all you do is sit behind your computer reading articles.
2. if you want to be technical...the war was already over, it was declared over almost a year ago...right now we're just providing security...so while sadaam is gone, there's always the need for security
3. i've already been in one warzone, i've got medals for it. i've done charity and security work in countries where we had to have a group of marines watch us while we try to rebuild schools,and got medals for that. Now i'm training to be in a combat unit that's headed to iraq in jan.... don't sit behind your computer and preach to me what might happen to me, i'm well aware of all this and more. if anyone has a right to talk and debate on this subject it's me, because while all you guys make up reasons on how this situation effects your life, it REALLY effects my life
acbaylove:
^ Much respect.
Ant:
What kind of war has more casualties per day after the war ends than while its going on?
Look I'm glad you proudly serve your country, but don't bullshit me that just because you serve in the military you know it all. Anyone that blindly supports Bush loses their right to a credible opinion. I've come on here repeatedly and instead of just spouting personal opinions I've shown you reports, and analysis by republicans and independents. Meanwhile you, nor anyone else on this site, has ever been able to effectively argue against me. The reason you can't is because this time your side is wrong, and your position is completely indefensible.
Instead you have to look for ways to discredit the attacks. Richard Clarke is partisan. Michael Scheurer is simply disgruntled. McLaughlin is upset he didn't get to head the CIA. Nobel Laureates are all liberals. The economists don't know whet they are talking about.
The way you argue. The only people who are right are the people who side with Bush. Imagine if instead of trying to prove your side right you tried to simply find out what was the truth. Instead you come from a biased position, and your unwilling to change. I was willing to change my opinion for a long time, but not one ever countered the arguements leveled agaisnt Bush. Bush never countered them instead he just deflected, lied, and slandered his opposition.
Then you come on here talking like an ignorant asshole that is proud we are 'crushin'g the opposition. We aren't crushing the opposition. We are killing people. We are killing insurgents, and we killing innocent civilians. I don;t have to serve in iraq to tell you that is wrong. If you proudly stand up for the killing of tens of thousands of innocents, if you stand up for the execution of injured insurgents, and the torture of thousands more then fuck off prick no one is proud that you served and have ur medals.
I'm proud of the soldier that served their country respectfully and served for the good of their nation and the good of the world. My Father and both of my grandfathers served under the US military. Countlesss men and women have served this country respectfully. But don't tell me that some lil prick that talks about killing like its a football game deserves respect. Everytime I hear you run your motuh about how we are killing and tearin everyoen apart it makes me think that your not different than the guy mentioned in this article.
Machiavelli:
This is Urban Combat people, the most difficult fighting in the world.
Take your Anti-War hats off and be in thats guys position.
--- Quote ---About a block away, a Marine was killed and five others wounded by a booby-trapped body they found in a house after a shootout with insurgents.
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He was shot the day before in the face and when your fighting in an area when you don't know when your gonna get shot i would do the same.
Also, this camera man is a complete moron/idiot. You don't video tape someone killing anyone even if it was armed terrorist shooting at Americans. Now, cuz of this, there will be more Terrorists and even more people who hate Americans and this war.
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