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us marine kills wounded, unarmed man in a mosque in al-falluja

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Rampant:
I watched the video.  It had a squad of marines walking into a open room. There were 4(?) iraqi bodies laying on the ground (im guessing insurgents). Three marines walk up to an insurgent who is laying on the ground barley moving. They walk right up to him and then they kill him.

Ive seen tons of videos of this sort of thing happening, and even if i hadnt it still wouldnt shock me. This happens all the time in war, and from both sides. Do you honestly think the iraqis are nice to the americans if they capture one? I HIGHLY doubt it. But that comment is not to defend what the marines did.

7even:
well it's a BIG difference whether between you to kill assholes who invaded your country and fuck everything up and killing harmless people you're currently "liberating"..

Rampant:

--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on November 16, 2004, 02:58:33 PM ---well it's a BIG difference whether between you to kill assholes who invaded your country and fuck everything up and killing harmless people you're currently "liberating"..

--- End quote ---
You know my stance on the iraq war, i agree with you. Im not defending what the marines did. All im saying is that it happens in war, and from both sides. Nothing more nothing less.

acbaylove:
If you are surprised about those things then you really dont kno shit about wars. When you are a soldier, and you are in the middle of a fight, you dont think "Wow, i'm here to help Iraqi! They are my friends...". You think "muthafuckaz i'mma kill y'all you sons of a bitch!". Cause you got trained and teached to hate. There's no "soldiers" if there's no hate. Hate is the key. In a war when your homie got shot in the head, and you see it, you are moved by the hate. You see an Iraqi and the first thing you wanna do is to kill him. No matter if he's strapped or not, no matter if he's innocent or not. Fuck it! You wanna kill him. This is how the war works. So stop being surprised about shit. Hate is the same thing who made them US soldiers torture Iraqi soldiers. Hate is the same thing who makes Iraqi kills innocents. And US soldiers kills innocents. Hate is the same thing who made them Israeli soldiers kill that unstrapped guy (it's famous, you know them pics?). Hate is the same thing who let UN soldiers (YES, UN soldiers) rape and kills a lot of WOMEN in Jugoslavia. YES, you've read it well. UN soldiers. RAPE AND KILL. For a soldier, there's no difference is he's fighting for a good cause or not. He's just fighting. Hating. Trying to survive. Trying to shoot first. US soldiers who went in Italy during the WWII to "save" us (read: to fight Nazi's and Fascist's) didnt even know why they were there. I mean there was been the D-DAY, they didnt need to "save" Italy no more. But still they were there. They died. They killed. Cause they soldiers. They had to do it. They were trained to do it. It's the same thing in Iraq. No matter if USA is right or not, soldiers are still there. FIGHTING. So please, give it up commenting on those shit. Like i said, it's a war. ALL THE WARS ARE WRONG.

Ant:
And hate is the cause of the terrorist attacks and the cause of a second Bush Presidency.  The fact is, the problem isn't with the soldiers, so much as with the leadership who create an atmosphere of intolerance and put us in a situation where events like this one occur unnecessaryily.  Its not the fact that this occured, its that it was unnecssary and avoidable.  Abu Graib was entirely unavoidable, but poor leadership allowed it to exist.   

The issue is that these actions, which are unnecesary, are weakening national security, weakening the american economy, and weakening our integrity in the eyes of the rest of the world.  That is my issue, and while the US is not your country, it should be the issue on the minds of other americans.   

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